Plugin - MQ2Shaman 3.1.52471.11

[ChatWithThisName]

The plugin output will go to the MQ window if the plugin window is closed. Try /shm show

 

[sheijo]

The plugin output will go to the MQ window if the plugin window is closed. Try /shm show

Rip I missed this as being the MQ window. This happens to my mage sometimes. For whatever reason his chat windows are jacked. Usually a /mag show works but you might get the ui error and need to reload before you can use the show command

 

[ChatWithThisName]

Rip I missed this as being the MQ window. This happens to my mage sometimes. For whatever reason his chat windows are jacked. Usually a /mag show works but you might get the ui error and need to reload before you can use the show command

Your instincts are correct. You offered step 1. So I offered step 2.

 

[sheijo]

Your instincts are correct. You offered step 1. So I offered step 2.

Lol the good old tech troubleshooting instincts. Did you turn it off and back on again?

 

[Sic]

Greetings friends! First time Very Vanilla user here so apologies if this is a common one but I can't find it on the forums.

I got the MQ2EsKay and MQ2Shaman plugins first. On the SK when I load the plugin it will pull up 4 tabs labeled "Plugin Output/Settings/Pulling/Ignores". When I load MQ2Shaman I get zero tabs. I watched the video Sic posted and his showed the tabs so I think it's something I'm doing wrong on my end. Any suggestions on how to fix this?

SK screenshot:
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Shaman screenshot:
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please make sure to post in the correct location. each plugin has a robust discussion thread.

not looking/posting in the correct location means you likely skipped the sticky, which has all sorts of information you're going to want to look at -> like the cwtn ui information

Please see >>> Getting Started with CWTN plugins! (Movement, UI Window, Clickies, Pulling, ETC) Check Here First! <<<

Rip I missed this as being the MQ window. This happens to my mage sometimes. For whatever reason his chat windows are jacked. Usually a /mag show works but you might get the ui error and need to reload before you can use the show command

this only happens if you loaded the plugin after you were already in game.

 

[Foodoo]

Heyyyy thanks everyone! Reloading ui and /shm show worked!

Sic - Noted! I went to the questions section first not thinking about going to shaman section.

Thanks again everyone

 

[RobRenfro]

Everyone knows I may be the biggest fan of the Plugins but it took me a while to buy the Shaman CTWN Plugin. My Shaman is my baby. I wasn't about to turn it over to just any source of automation. But as I learned about the Plugin it's not a 1-dimensional healer Plugin. It has a DPS setting which is near and dear to my own heart and even a hybrid setting. And as I ran the Shaman I learned this was so much like a human playing it was unbelievable. Different than my style but very capable. I'd even say excellent. I was so impressed. And I would be the biggest critic of this Plugin. But there is nothing in the big picture that deserves criticism. I let this run my Shaman without a second thought now. Not just my other Shaman, my guy.

 

[Sintor]

Hey all, new to the plugin (and modern EQ). Working great no complaints at all. Question around a very specific corner case. Shaman only has 100AA and is F2P currently. I've recently been working on gearing my crew as they hit 80 and have been pursuing TBM HAs. Yesterday I drew the "Exalted Guardian Relph" end boss and hit kind of a wall. From reading, it sounds like I can't let the tank drop below 65% or he uses an ae that does 20k+ killing everyone. That being said, I've tried to trim the selections down to just Mending (turning off any offense or utility), dropping hot percentages for everyone to 0, removing canni, and running MendingMA to 99 to try and get it to just blanket him with heals. The DPS is good to burn if I can just spam it, but it stops to cast Group HoT and sometimes just... hesitates? I know I can just brute force a KA/Muleassist and only give it the one spell to cast but wanted to try to work within MQ2Shaman. I'm 99% sure it's user error but here to learn, especially if there's a strategy for mobs with a hit like this I'll run into in the future as well.

Tank is ~33k/1.8k at 80. Prepull disc popping.

Just to restate to anyone reading or on the fence: It's an amazing plugin and it has let me kill stuff that I wasn't able to before. I wasn't able to do TBM pre-quest and it helped me kill the reds in the temple and chain pull during xp. This question is very much about one specific fight where normally it'd let me drop a little then efficiently pick me up and back to full, the mob just happens to slap the taste out of my mouth at 2/3 hp.

 

[ChatWithThisName]

Hey all, new to the plugin (and modern EQ). Working great no complaints at all. Question around a very specific corner case. Shaman only has 100AA and is F2P currently. I've recently been working on gearing my crew as they hit 80 and have been pursuing TBM HAs. Yesterday I drew the "Exalted Guardian Relph" end boss and hit kind of a wall. From reading, it sounds like I can't let the tank drop below 65% or he uses an ae that does 20k+ killing everyone. That being said, I've tried to trim the selections down to just Mending (turning off any offense or utility), dropping hot percentages for everyone to 0, removing canni, and running MendingMA to 99 to try and get it to just blanket him with heals. The DPS is good to burn if I can just spam it, but it stops to cast Group HoT and sometimes just... hesitates? I know I can just brute force a KA/Muleassist and only give it the one spell to cast but wanted to try to work within MQ2Shaman. I'm 99% sure it's user error but here to learn, especially if there's a strategy for mobs with a hit like this I'll run into in the future as well.

Tank is ~33k/1.8k at 80. Prepull disc popping.

Just to restate to anyone reading or on the fence: It's an amazing plugin and it has let me kill stuff that I wasn't able to before. I wasn't able to do TBM pre-quest and it helped me kill the reds in the temple and chain pull during xp. This question is very much about one specific fight where normally it'd let me drop a little then efficiently pick me up and back to full, the mob just happens to slap the taste out of my mouth at 2/3 hp.

I think "corner case" is likely going to be the key bit here.

While we do what we can to make our automation work to the best of it's ability, at the end of the day we can't focus on specific encounters with specific mechanics such as this. If you set it to 99 and it's failing to keep you alive all I can suggest is that the plugin just isn't the right fit for this encounter. The only thing that could cause a "hesitation" as you put is is cast time realistically. All healer plugins check heal first, if it is above the threshhold you set, then it moves on to other stuff. There's nothing in the logic that says "Hey, give it a moment before trying to heal again."

Bring a fatter tank, or another healer and X your fingers. If you feel the automation is failing you then perhaps for the specific encounter just spam the crap out of heals manually if you think the plugin doesn't go fast enough. Just foreground the shaman and click your little heart out.

 

[Sintor]

I think "corner case" is likely going to be the key bit here.

While we do what we can to make our automation work to the best of it's ability, at the end of the day we can't focus on specific encounters with specific mechanics such as this. If you set it to 99 and it's failing to keep you alive all I can suggest is that the plugin just isn't the right fit for this encounter. The only thing that could cause a "hesitation" as you put is is cast time realistically. All healer plugins check heal first, if it is above the threshhold you set, then it moves on to other stuff. There's nothing in the logic that says "Hey, give it a moment before trying to heal again."

Bring a fatter tank, or another healer and X your fingers. If you feel the automation is failing you then perhaps for the specific encounter just spam the crap out of heals manually if you think the plugin doesn't go fast enough. Just foreground the shaman and click your little heart out.

Thanks for the reply sir, no worries at all. I totally get the corner case issue, solving is part of the boxing fun with MQ2. The automation is definitely not failing me, like I mentioned I'm sure it's just user error and this one mob in all of everquest that just wants you to vomit heals. I'm also trying to solve without getting an assist, I'm sure I could guild hall up some buffs on the tank and tear it down. I might give it a couple tries with custom profiles for MA and also convert my BST to a heal spammer for the fight as the ROG/NEC can finish it given the time. Just figured I'd ask in case I was missing something.

Thanks again!

 

[Grpsmashin]

Quick question, Since the main focus for SHM in raid is to splash and such, is it worth to setup xtargethealing on them?

Does it take away from main healing?

 

[durango773]

afaik xtar is the very last thing checked for heals (but its fast).

 

[Sic]

Quick question, Since the main focus for SHM in raid is to splash and such, is it worth to setup xtargethealing on them?

Does it take away from main healing?

please post in the correct location.

that depends on your healing needs.

if you need heals - put tanks on xtarget, if you dont; dont

shammies have a lot to cast, so if you can get away with not, i wouldn't

 

[Grpsmashin]

please post in the correct location.

that depends on your healing needs.

if you need heals - put tanks on xtarget, if you dont; dont

shammies have a lot to cast, so if you can get away with not, i wouldn't

Sorry, was a general question too and also applies to CLRs as well

 

[Sic]

Sorry, was a general question too and also applies to CLRs as well

well you said shaman and followed it up with shaman stuff, so /shrug.

but yes, generally your clerics have the tanks on xtarget (and maybe other healers if you have a struggle group)

 

[tomahawkeer]

I recently started using my Shaman as my only healer in my group. I am noticing an issue where when someone dies, the shaman will target the corpse of the toon that died and then immediately untargets it. This will happen to the extreme, that the shaman will never get his rez off. Im sure its something ive misconfigured something and just never noticed until I started running him in Heal mode vs Hybrid when I had him with my cleric. PAL and BRD are KISS, the rest of the group is CWTN plugins.

FYI, current group makeup is SK SHM BRD MAG BST PAL. The PAL is just a filler, im trying to level him up some with my main group just to get a little experience, he is currently level 97, and is generally the one that is dead since he is in heroic gear, and has not been auto granted yet lol. What do I need to look at?

 

[durango773]

I recently started using my Shaman as my only healer in my group. I am noticing an issue where when someone dies, the shaman will target the corpse of the toon that died and then immediately untargets it. This will happen to the extreme, that the shaman will never get his rez off. Im sure its something ive misconfigured something and just never noticed until I started running him in Heal mode vs Hybrid when I had him with my cleric. PAL and BRD are KISS, the rest of the group is CWTN plugins.

FYI, current group makeup is SK SHM BRD MAG BST PAL. The PAL is just a filler, im trying to level him up some with my main group just to get a little experience, he is currently level 97, and is generally the one that is dead since he is in heroic gear, and has not been auto granted yet lol. What do I need to look at?

Sounds like you might have accept rez set to high on toon getting the rez (if you dont have rez stick, can only call in combat, 0%).

 

[tomahawkeer]

Sounds like you might have accept rez set to high on toon getting the rez (if you dont have rez stick, can only call in combat, 0%).

It's happening outside of combat with Rejuvenation of Spirit. Ive gotten around it by switching the SHM from chase mode to manual mode and using the hotkey, then switching back to chase.

 

[Sic]

It's happening outside of combat with Rejuvenation of Spirit. Ive gotten around it by switching the SHM from chase mode to manual mode and using the hotkey, then switching back to chase.

it sounds like you have "mimic me" stuck on on someone.

absolutely nothing to do with your loadout is coming into play here

 

[tweediem2]

We use gavatar lvl 80 and below

Just checking in about this, as champions still a relevant spell in the 85 era. No problem clicking it manually and have been, but I seem to remember it casting champion before?

 

[shiftup]

I was wondering about champion at 85 as well as Lynx (Talisman of the Lynx). My shaman isn't casting/memming either and is also not using his 10th spell gem

 

[tomahawkeer]

it sounds like you have "mimic me" stuck on on someone.

absolutely nothing to do with your loadout is coming into play here

It happened again last night right before I logged out. I could spam the hot key to do the rez and it would eventually hit between the shaman targeting / untargeting the corpse, but if I didn't do that it would never cast. The only other thing ive found is changing to manual mode makes the Shaman quit untargeting. I would manually target the corpse and was able to rez without issue.

I have never created a mimic me / do what I do key that I can remember. If I did, it would have been on my SK not my shaman. Once I get logged in this evening ill give it another try and if my PAL dies ill check. I guess I can reproduce the death manually and see if I can figure out why the shaman is doing what he is doing. It has persisted through full bot army logout of the game, so might be tough to track down the issue.

 

[tweediem2]

I was wondering about champion at 85 as well as Lynx (Talisman of the Lynx). My shaman isn't casting/memming either and is also not using his 10th spell gem

My toon is using lynx. Have to be in combat for it to go off iirc

 

[Sic]

It happened again last night right before I logged out. I could spam the hot key to do the rez and it would eventually hit between the shaman targeting / untargeting the corpse, but if I didn't do that it would never cast. The only other thing ive found is changing to manual mode makes the Shaman quit untargeting. I would manually target the corpse and was able to rez without issue.

I have never created a mimic me / do what I do key that I can remember. If I did, it would have been on my SK not my shaman. Once I get logged in this evening ill give it another try and if my PAL dies ill check. I guess I can reproduce the death manually and see if I can figure out why the shaman is doing what he is doing. It has persisted through full bot army logout of the game, so might be tough to track down the issue.

if you are trying to manually target while in an assist mode, you WILL clear your target.

but the plugin has nothing to spam change targets and then swap back itself.

so yeah, if you're manually trying to intervene, you'll want to pause the plugin

 

[Sic]

I was wondering about champion at 85 as well as Lynx (Talisman of the Lynx). My shaman isn't casting/memming either and is also not using his 10th spell gem

as it is now, we don't memorize it once you get intervention - so there's a bit of a spot there. you can byos/byos-custom obviously
I'll look to add it for gem 10 since you dont get other stuff for that slot quite yet

 

[Sic]

Sic updated MQ2Shaman with a new update entry:

10/25/2023

- We will now memorize Lioness in gem 10 in hybrid and dps loadout if we don't have our "CurseDoT" (so sub 100).
-- this helps fill the gap until you get Progressive Spell at 101 (dicho)
--- otherwise byos/byos-custom

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[tweediem2]

as it is now, we don't memorize it once you get intervention - so there's a bit of a spot there. you can byos/byos-custom obviously
I'll look to add it for gem 10 since you dont get other stuff for that slot quite yet

I was hoping the "it" was in reference to champion but i didn't get the context clues that it wasn't lol.
Is there a reason then that Champion isn't cast even under BYOS/BYOS custom. You've written "we use gavatar lvl 80 and below," so does that prevent it from going off under BYOS conditions?

 

[Sic]

I was hoping the "it" was in reference to champion but i didn't get the context clues that it wasn't lol.
Is there a reason then that Champion isn't cast even under BYOS/BYOS custom. You've written "we use gavatar lvl 80 and below," so does that prevent it from going off under BYOS conditions?
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GAvatar is the champion - we castit on melee toons - if you're byos then we'd use it regardless of level (but useavatar has to be turned on - use the slash command)

I'm fine making memorization/usage up to 85

 

[Sic]

there is going to be an update saying that it has been adjusted, but i don't think it will be in the build that gets posted today just fyi

 

[tweediem2]

This worked, ok, definitely a FAQ worthy command though, /shm useavatar on/off is not listed on the command page as a viable option anymore, and it's not a checkbox, so I'd assumed it was no longer supported, as the last time I used this plugin, it was listed as a command and was a checkbox.

 

[Sic]

This worked, ok, definitely a FAQ worthy command though, /shm useavatar on/off is not listed on the command page as a viable option anymore, and it's not a checkbox, so I'd assumed it was no longer supported, as the last time I used this plugin, it was listed as a command and was a checkbox.

it just disappears after we don't automem it anymore (80, soon to be 85)

 

[tweediem2]

My ears thank you, no longer needing to listen to "recast champ" every 9m45s

 

[Sic]

My ears thank you, no longer needing to listen to "recast champ" every 9m45s

lol for sure - thanks for the note on the command page, i updated that.
prolly do another rebuild later this afternoon and shammy update will be there (likely not until sometime AFTER the notes post)

 

[Sic]

Sic updated MQ2Shaman with a new update entry:

10/25/2023c

- adjusted avatar/gavatar mem/usage to go up to 85.

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

[celestialtaco]

my shammy doesn't seem to want to use listlessness on the tank is there something im doing wrong? thank you for any help!

 

[shiftup]

as it is now, we don't memorize it once you get intervention - so there's a bit of a spot there. you can byos/byos-custom obviously
I'll look to add it for gem 10 since you dont get other stuff for that slot quite yet

As always, you're awesome, just tested and is now memming lynx in slot 10! I'll be checking it out in combat here shortly

Just out of curiosity since I don't play on live anymore - is the Lynx spell line not really used on live? Back in the day in a melee group that line would tear things up

 

[Sic]

As always, you're awesome, just tested and is now memming lynx in slot 10! I'll be checking it out in combat here shortly

Just out of curiosity since I don't play on live anymore - is the Lynx spell line not really used on live? Back in the day in a melee group that line would tear things up

It gets replaced with the progressive spell lines

 

[Sic]

my shammy doesn't seem to want to use listlessness on the tank is there something im doing wrong? thank you for any help!

Did you check the FAQ/vid?

They must be local toons on cwtnbuffs, etc

 

[celestialtaco]

Did you check the FAQ/vid?

They must be local toons on cwtnbuffs, etc

thanks for the quick reply! i thought i had done all necessary. i missed the part about them all needing to be on the same pc.

 

[tomahawkeer]

if you are trying to manually target while in an assist mode, you WILL clear your target.

but the plugin has nothing to spam change targets and then swap back itself.

so yeah, if you're manually trying to intervene, you'll want to pause the plugin

A little more info. This is happening when using grind and normal groups elsewhere so the toons are in chase mode. When the pally dies, the group continues to kill until all mobs are dead. Once they are all dead grind pauses. The shaman is waiting to be completely out of combat. Once that happens he begins to cycle the target untarget issue. The shaman plugin is in CHASE mode, and is set to HEAL.

If I use my tank (SK) to manually target the corpse, the targeting / untargeting stops, and the shaman stays focused on the corpse, but will NOT cast the rez unless I manually do it.

During the time that the untargeting of the corpse is happening there are not any messages showing in the plugin output, which leads me to believe its MQ related, but im not very well versed in these ins and outs of MQ yet.

All toons have the mimic button, however none of them appear to be using it when this is happening.

The paladin has died 3 times this evening so far. 2 of them have had the targeting / untargeting issue. The other time, the shaman rezed him correctly.