Question - Is KA dying?

[Ordell]

I've been away from the game for a few months and not really back, either. One thing I've noticed is there doesn't seem to be much going on with KA. Still at rev 12.002, very few questions here. Has all the action moved to CWTN plugins? That would be a shame if so.

 

[Cybris]

No, KA is definitely still valid. alot of Macro devs though are converting their stuff to Lua. That may or may not be why KA has not had many updates.

 

[Myysterio]

I've been away from the game for a few months and not really back, either. One thing I've noticed is there doesn't seem to be much going on with KA. Still at rev 12.002, very few questions here. Has all the action moved to CWTN plugins? That would be a shame if so.

Nope.... ctaylor22 pushed an update the other day. Its just not had a MAJOR revision in a while.

 

[Sic]

I've been away from the game for a few months and not really back, either. One thing I've noticed is there doesn't seem to be much going on with KA. Still at rev 12.002, very few questions here. Has all the action moved to CWTN plugins? That would be a shame if so.

Nope. I help folks with kiss daily, 7 days a week meaning plenty of folks use kiss.

Updates still happen as stuff is need/wanted

 

[BigDorf]

For two and half years since starting RG MQ journey, I've had toons driven by KA and it's doing fine.

Version numbers, they are just a reference for a build label. KA numbers are climbing.

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From the above we can see it has had some amendments over 2022.



I think KA has matured quite considerably and is a very stable tool for the control come interaction of toons with the EQ world.

With the lack of major change to EQ over the recent years, these tools have required less enhancements and are fielding fixes to much rarer conditions encountered by fewest of users.




Regards and Best Wishes

 

[edsarto]

KA is a great resource! It is a viable option even for the Novice I was and still am. Its just one of many that are available and flexible enough to do what you want.

 

[B_I_G__D_A_D_D_Y]

I think KA has matured quite considerably and is a very stable tool for the control come interaction of toons with the EQ world.

^^^^ This.

It's not perfect but KA meets my needs. I like the flexibility and the ability to dissect the code if necessary.

 

[Dragonslayer]

For my feeling KA is the best automation toolset available, if you want to choose amongst those with no additional costs or want the ability to choose which abilities are used in which order under what circumstances.
If you know the classes you are playing, KA offers the opportunity to manage in a very wide range, what and how the char will use under which conditions.
If you don't know well a class, or don't have fun (/like) to define yourself what to use and when, other tools may be a better choice.
I use KA any day amongst other tools available.

 

[Sifter228]

Did anyone mention it's insanely customizable?

 

[Cannonballdex]

I use CWTN plugins and Kiss Assist. Love them both.

 

[winnower]

I've been using mix of kiss and mule, and it's been serving me well. I'm in the process of converting to kiss.

I'd love to see kiss and mule merged back together, and a bit more active user base. Kiss with Maui would be awesome. Both have their advantages, but a combined user base would make things a lot better.

 

[MetalJacx]

What i wouldn't give for a Lua Kissassist

 

[manydills]

What i wouldn't give for a LUA Kissassist

Yes please! I like Maui (though it produces ugly .ini files) but dislike mule; I’d love a polished similar gui for KA.

 

[a_moss_snake]

Well, well, well

I knew I read about it:

- For the brave, there is a half baked KA support squirreled away if you edit ma/globals.lua and set local schemas = {'ma', 'ka',}, because reasons.

from: MAUI update
A few things should be changed IMO:

start.Lua (Line 919+):

if ImGui.Button('Mem Spells') then
  if globals.CurrentSchema == 'ka' then
    mq.cmdf('/memmyspells')
  else
    mq.cmdf('/memmyspells %s', globals.INIFile)
  end
end

and, same file:

if not mq.TLO.Macro() or (mq.TLO.Macro.Name() ~= 'muleassist.mac' and mq.TLO.Macro.Name() ~= 'kissassist.mac') then
...  
elseif mq.TLO.Macro.Name() == 'muleassist.mac' or mq.TLO.Macro.Name() == 'kissassist.mac' then

 

[manydills]

Well, well, well

I knew I read about it:



from: MAUI update
A few things should be changed IMO:

start.lua (Line 919+):

if ImGui.Button('Mem Spells') then
  if globals.CurrentSchema == 'ka' then
    mq.cmdf('/memmyspells')
  else
    mq.cmdf('/memmyspells %s', globals.INIFile)
  end
end

and, same file:

if not mq.TLO.Macro() or (mq.TLO.Macro.Name() ~= 'muleassist.mac' and mq.TLO.Macro.Name() ~= 'kissassist.mac') then
... 
elseif mq.TLO.Macro.Name() == 'muleassist.mac' or mq.TLO.Macro.Name() == 'kissassist.mac' then

Well.

I know what I'm doing this afternoon.

 

[an_image]

I use CWTN plugins and Kiss Assist. Love them both.

Same, KA is amazing. I used both CWTN and KA, specially for casters/rangers/bards

Specifically tank/enc/cleric are cwtn (usually)...dps depends...ctwn is pretty good dps...but for whatever reason my ka mage/ranger/nec do better than the mq2 variants. I think that's mostly because of clickies though...i'm sure if i bought into some of those ctwn plugins they'd get me there too but that's a lot of $ when ka is working well

 

[Lord Sivion]

I am not sure about KA, but I do use RGMercs currently. (getting ready to go plugin). RGMercs still kind of works. Many functions are not completely functional, or are borderline functional. Seems from the responses, KA is doing well. I would venture to guess that the future is plugins. From the data I have collected it appears that Plugins are faster responding to the game, as well as more feature rich. Depending on your enjoyability of the game, you may or may not like the sub price. But if EQ still has a major impact on your enjoyment in life, I would say it's not a big deal. I mean c'mon we do pay a monthly sub to a game that was created before the millennium came around.

 

[Sic]

I am not sure about KA, but I do use RGMercs currently. (getting ready to go plugin). RGMercs still kind of works. Many functions are not completely functional, or are borderline functional. Seems from the responses, KA is doing well. I would venture to guess that the future is plugins. From the data I have collected it appears that Plugins are faster responding to the game, as well as more feature rich. Depending on your enjoyability of the game, you may or may not like the sub price. But if EQ still has a major impact on your enjoyment in life, I would say it's not a big deal. I mean c'mon we do pay a monthly sub to a game that was created before the millennium came around.

the "plugins are inherently faster" thing is not a real thing - it is just a design difference

 

[an_image]

I am not sure about KA, but I do use RGMercs currently. (getting ready to go plugin). RGMercs still kind of works. Many functions are not completely functional, or are borderline functional. Seems from the responses, KA is doing well. I would venture to guess that the future is plugins. From the data I have collected it appears that Plugins are faster responding to the game, as well as more feature rich. Depending on your enjoyability of the game, you may or may not like the sub price. But if EQ still has a major impact on your enjoyment in life, I would say it's not a big deal. I mean c'mon we do pay a monthly sub to a game that was created before the millennium came around.

Well @Doc James it depends. The only downside on my everyday play with KA is i can't run for example /mac overseer, and then run my /mac kissassist player 99 assist right? But that's not really a big deal anyways because it's every 6 hours. You can just pause or now I think you can even /Lua run overseer (haven't tried it yet). I think that where folks on the thread above are saying, some stuff is moving to Lua so you can for example have you mage running KA for dps assist and then you can /Lua run mm for the mana stuff or run overseer etc...

I mean at the end of the day everything works well, just sometimes not concurrently.

 

[Lord Sivion]

the "plugins are inherently faster" thing is not a real thing - it is just a design difference

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Good info, Thanks Sic for the response and clarification. I suppose it is perceived performance then by the user base.

Well @Doc James it depends. The only downside on my everyday play with KA is i can't run for example /mac overseer, and then run my /mac kissassist player 99 assist right? But that's not really a big deal anyways because it's every 6 hours. You can just pause or now I think you can even /lua run overseer (haven't tried it yet). I think that where folks on the thread above are saying, some stuff is moving to LUA so you can for example have you mage running KA for dps assist and then you can /lua run mm for the mana stuff or run overseer etc...

I mean at the end of the day everything works well, just sometimes not concurrently.

I suppose my post wasn't all encompassing then. I didn't mean to imply that the class plugins would replace all macros entirely. I just meant that comparing class macros to class plugins is the point of comparison I was alluding to.

Yes, the main advantage to using a plugin would be to run macros simultaneously. The point of OP's post was to ask in what condition is KA in as a class utility. I merely pointed out that class plugins seem like they are running the show now and in the near future is all. I will attempt to clarify things on a different level next time I post. I apologize for the confusion.

 

[Knightly]

While this thread is being derailed -- I'd say Lua is the future.

 

[Grpsmashin]

While this thread is being derailed -- I'd say lua is the future.

Agreed. Ive trying on hand on Lua and its still a steep hill for me!