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Question - Yet another another another another group make up thread v 6.9.420

cintile

cintile

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I've decided to come back to EQ with MQ2 recently. I thought it would be fun to start over on my original server that I started on in 2000. On there I already had an 85 Enchanter and 85 Mage. I have two other accounts with a 100 Boost available. I used it to created a level 100 warrior and 100 druid. The Druid was my first character ever on that server, that's why I went that direction. I'm going to be using Lua RGmercs, however, I'm planning to get CTWN for the tank.

So my line up currently would be the following:

(Gold) 100 War + Clr Merc
(F2P) 100 Dru + Wiz Merc
(F2P) 85 Mage
(F2P) 85 Ench


Seems like everyone always goes with SK but I chose War to do something a little different.
Will the Warrior work well with this group?
At level 100+ are warriors still pulling with bows or is there an AA to get this done?
Should I just go with an SK like everyone else typically does?

I could add a 5th account with a level 100 and add a Wiz or another healer class if need be.

Appreciate the feedback. Looking forward to getting back into the game.
 
cintile said:
I've decided to come back to EQ with MQ2 recently. I thought it would be fun to start over on my original server that I started on in 2000. On there I already had an 85 Enchanter and 85 Mage. I have two other accounts with a 100 Boost available. I used it to created a level 100 warrior and 100 druid. The Druid was my first character ever on that server, that's why I went that direction. I'm going to be using Lua RGmercs, however, I'm planning to get CTWN for the tank.

So my line up currently would be the following:

(Gold) 100 War + Clr Merc
(F2P) 100 Dru + Wiz Merc
(F2P) 85 Mage
(F2P) 85 Ench


Seems like everyone always goes with SK but I chose War to do something a little different.
Will the Warrior work well with this group?
At level 100+ are warriors still pulling with bows or is there an AA to get this done?
Should I just go with an SK like everyone else typically does?

I could add a 5th account with a level 100 and add a Wiz or another healer class if need be.

Appreciate the feedback. Looking forward to getting back into the game.
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All 3 tanks are very viable.

Since you're using a cleric Merc and not a real clr id suggest SHD/pal for better in-combat stuff, but you'll prolly be fine.

Warriors don't have a good pulling AA, you'd use bow/arrow, or the staff of viral flux
 
I have done a warrior since 2000; I can't stand SK or PAL. I run a 6 box team using RG since 2023 always with a warrior. Every other class has been substituted through my group in many combox, but the tank is the WAR. My group team can do everything short of raids. Tank routinely is at the top of DPS list for the team in spite of all members being in Tier 1 player made gear suplimented with drops from Named. WAR is not just viable, but valuable. SK and PAL have a stronger reputation, but the gap has closed in recent years. Also, gear makes the man. Make sure the tank eats first and you will be happy with any other supporting members.
 
May as well ditch the mercs and run 2 more free accounts.
Make 6 babies and let them have some fun together levelling up the 2 you keep in the real crew.
 
YeahCopyMate said:
May as well ditch the mercs and run 2 more free accounts.
Make 6 babies and let them have some fun together levelling up the 2 you keep in the real crew.
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I only have 1 more account with a free 100 boost on it. So I can add a 5th. What would you recommend to go with my team?
 
cintile said:
I only have 1 more account with a free 100 boost on it. So I can add a 5th. What would you recommend to go with my team?
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ok well just my preference and maybe not the meta but if only losing 1 merc and keeping the same other 4 guys I'd drop wiz merc for real bard.
gives you all the bard utility and speed and can probably boost your dps to a lvl that will beat what the wiz merc adds.
 
I have a druid in my groups. F2p Druid is going to be driving the struggle bus for mana. Even subbed account Druids need 2 mana regen sources to shine. Although not a pure caster, I would consider adding a Beastlord to your group. Excellent pet, slows, heals, half a monk for melee, and regen your group will appreciate for mana and health. Your f2p mage will do just fine with basic focus items. The mage will also gear up mage, bst, and ench pets if needed with weapons and armor
 
Whatever you do gear the tank. I took this advice from a friend of mine that always geared his SK to the max. I've seen a huge difference in my group since. I also use a Warrior. The difference is hate generation for the knights can be more on demand and they have buffs, procs, heals that do help but the warrior to me allows me to go defensive the glyph and defensive again shortly after if absolutely needed along with Warlords tenacity and their dps is pretty good!
 
YeahCopyMate said:
May as well ditch the mercs and run 2 more free accounts.
Make 6 babies and let them have some fun together levelling up the 2 you keep in the real crew.
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This here honestly.

FTP accounts will out perform a merc down the road. A FTP with one time krono investment for auto grants and its not even the same game.
 
Sic said:
All 3 tanks are very viable.

Since you're using a cleric Merc and not a real clr id suggest SHD/pal for better in-combat stuff, but you'll prolly be fine.

Warriors don't have a good pulling AA, you'd use bow/arrow, or the staff of viral flux
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Warrior can pull with Roar Line Disc (the Single target hate over time, 8(?) sec cooldown).

I absolutly love my warrior tank. Sturdy as rock and has tons of oh-shit discs and AAs when you accidentally pull half of the zone.

My vote is for warrior tank.
 
Gringo3 said:
Warrior can pull with Roar Line Disc (the Single target hate over time, 8(?) sec cooldown).

I absolutly love my warrior tank. Sturdy as rock and has tons of oh-shit discs and AAs when you accidentally pull half of the zone.

My vote is for warrior tank.
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I second this. I did a 125 SK personna with max AA to test my acknowledged biases and found that I really lost almost nothing by using WAR over SK. In some areas (raw DPS) the WAR outshined the SK. I'm on FV so my tank uses ToB raid level weapons and aggro management is no issue.

As an aside - there should never be a SK/PAL weapon that a warior cannot use. Makes me shake my fist toward San Diego every time I see a nice melee weapon that is banned from WAR.
 
For my caster groups i use a knight SK or Pally. Then i fill the group with bard Druid chanter mag Nec. Yes i know why bard and chanter. I have a bard in all groups i make. I love everything they add to a group. The druid heals just fine after you get its heal aa's and if you are using a pally it can backup heal, and if you use a SK gets its epic and it can dang near heal its self. I main a War and have for 20+ years but in my caster groups i like a knight.
 
for automation, SK outperforms the other 2 tanks by a mile. It has the best self healing, the best ae threat, and the best cooldowns for group content.

All 3 tanks are fine and viable, SK just stands above them.
 
Ssoulle said:
for automation, SK outperforms the other 2 tanks by a mile. It has the best self healing, the best ae threat, and the best cooldowns for group content.

All 3 tanks are fine and viable, SK just stands above them.
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I ran parses of WAR versus SK With the same group, same instance (using mq2grind) and same buffs. I then re-ran with different ADPS (Enchanter and BARD are personnas on one char) and found the group level DPS of the WAR to be very close to SK, Here is my chart from that thread:

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They will all work. There is a reason so many people use shadow knights though. I've got all 3 tank classes, and have used them in various groups. For me, the sk just does it better. But I've seen a 2 man 2 merc group tanking nameds in harbringers cradle with a beastlord pet. Wasn't efficient, but they were getting it done.
 
SK all the way. Had a bad moment in Hodstock Hills once where I forgot to unpause my CWTN plugins. This left my SK having to solo a named while I run a healer back. Can't say I would've had the same success with my WAR or PAL in the same scenario.
 
eqsubi15 said:
SK all the way. Had a bad moment in Hodstock Hills once where I forgot to unpause my CWTN plugins. This left my SK having to solo a named while I run a healer back. Can't say I would've had the same success with my WAR or PAL in the same scenario.
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I’d pop a Dragon glyph grab my shield and do fine.
 
OldGuard said:
I ran parses of WAR versus SK With the same group, same instance (using mq2grind) and same buffs. I then re-ran with different ADPS (Enchanter and BARD are personnas on one char) and found the group level DPS of the WAR to be very close to SK, Here is my chart from that thread:

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The DPS is fairly similar, the SK just has better tools to make sure automation goes smooth. Like in ankexfen when he accidentally pulls an entire floor of like 10 mobs, the automation handles it fine (as long as he doesnt randomly turn around). The warrior would struggle depending on how the mobs came in.
 
cintile said:
Do you guys think having Enc as the slower will work, regardless of whether or not I go with WAR or SK?
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ENC are sufficient for slow in any era I've used them in, their slow also turns into a cripslow that applies both.

Once you push towards max level it (edit:slow) matters less for most content.
 
Algar said:
ENC are sufficient for slow in any era I've used them in, their slow also turns into a cripslow that applies both.

Once you push towards max level it (edit:slow) matters less for most content.
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Absolutely correct. My team survives just fine with BST slow.
 
OldGuard said:
I have done a warrior since 2000; I can't stand SK or PAL. I run a 6 box team using RG since 2023 always with a warrior. Every other class has been substituted through my group in many combox, but the tank is the WAR. My group team can do everything short of raids. Tank routinely is at the top of DPS list for the team in spite of all members being in Tier 1 player made gear suplimented with drops from Named. WAR is not just viable, but valuable. SK and PAL have a stronger reputation, but the gap has closed in recent years. Also, gear makes the man. Make sure the tank eats first and you will be happy with any other supporting members.
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War > All. All others are casters with a tank complex.

Think About It GIF by Identity
 
So I switched things up. Started over on a new server for a fresh feel to the game, but I'm using all the 100 boost that I have. Based on suggestions from my last thread I did go with SK again instead of the Warrior. Hoping to get started this weekend and hoping they do some type of exp bonus.

Here is my group make up:

100 Sk + Cleric Merc
100 Bard
100 zerker
100 rogue
85 Mage ( this one is weird but its one of those level 85 boost you can't get back and I don't want to pay for a new 100 or this would have become a BST)


I would think this group should be able to handle all forms of group content, including missions? I'm a little concerned about no slow or BRD slow, but from what everyone has said, slow isn't a huge deal anymore.
 
No 3 penguins in a tench coat? No "inside me are two wolves" guy who drinks coffee named after guns/ammo? no "my political bumper stickers ARE my personality" dude? No THIS year is my year guy?

Merca are trash, and no in combat Rez hurts, but other than that, sounds fun
 
Sic said:
No 3 penguins in a tench coat? No "inside me are two wolves" guy who drinks coffee named after guns/ammo? no "my political bumper stickers ARE my personality" dude? No THIS year is my year guy?

Merca are trash, and no in combat Rez hurts, but other than that, sounds fun
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Hey Sic, let me ask you. Out of those level 100 Boost, who would you give up for a Clr or a Shm to solve the healing and in combat rez issue? I'm assuming the Zerker?
 
Sic said:
No 3 penguins in a tench coat? No "inside me are two wolves" guy who drinks coffee named after guns/ammo? no "my political bumper stickers ARE my personality" dude? No THIS year is my year guy?

Merca are trash, and no in combat Rez hurts, but other than that, sounds fun
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I think ... we should coordinate via PM discord...pick a FTP server and rollup a RG Guild...just for us to dominate some server...

We can take their top rated guild and do this to it for a few months...

Flex Schwarzenegger GIF
 
an_image said:
I think ... we should coordinate via PM discord...pick a FTP server and rollup a RG Guild...just for us to dominate some server...

We can take their top rated guild and do this to it for a few months...

Flex Schwarzenegger GIF
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klwllbtppr1f1.jpeg
 
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Sic said:
or even just belt-slot
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Belt works just fine with slows. In current group content dont even need a healer in the group with my SK, Its just the way it is. I know Warriors that are great and Pallys that are great. And if either works better for you thats perfect for you. I will not knock any of the tanks although I believe the Paly needs a little more attention form the Devs.

With that being said if I am pulling masses then a healer is needed if more then 3 mobs.
 
Sic said:
No 3 penguins in a tench coat? No "inside me are two wolves" guy who drinks coffee named after guns/ammo? no "my political bumper stickers ARE my personality" dude? No THIS year is my year guy?

Merca are trash, and no in combat Rez hurts, but other than that, sounds fun
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@Sic talking crap about conservatives…

Oh My God Wow GIF by Pudgy Penguins
 
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