Question - To cleric or not to cleric

[surfdog21]

Ive been grinding away with multiple groups but have always always just used a cleric merc in those groups. Mainly because before I ended up using MQ I used a cleric merc to do ALL progression in the last 4 expansions and know how they work. Would it be better to retire those cleric mercs for a real cleric?

 

[PMLL]

I started running a cleric in my group probably a month month and a half ago, and that boxed cleric is a beast, way undergeared,m but heals like a beast. I would highly recommend it.

 

[overpower]

^^ what he said. Ill never go back to cleric merc.

 

[eqholic]

I might add that with autocleric you don't even have to maintain a KA-ini file.

 

[PMLL]

What eqholic says, autocleric= a win....I havent tried KA on my cleric, but if definately isnt broken so im damned sure not fixing it..auto cleric owns

 

[Cannonballdex]

I have to agree with all of the above, I added 3 raid clerics to my list, even if they aren't in the group I pop a healer merc on them and let them heal. Every group should have a cleric and a bard in my opinion.

 

[Tank Life]

So, how do shamans stack up for healing? Are they viable for healing EoK stuff? I have been using a cleric merc and was going to eventually add a cleric instead but after seeing some shaman dot damage I am wondering if a shaman for even more dps and the healing wouldnt be better

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[Gillybear]

Shaman does fine for healing, biggest 2 things you miss is the cleric buff which can be replaced by a merc every 2-3 hours and the cleric aura thing that increases base HP of the group.

I main a shaman for raiding so I use it for my groups. Currently sitting at a 5 box instead of a 6 box so I have a cleric merc up so I don't have to worry about buff timers. If you're strictly going to be group based I would recommend a cleric + chanter over a shaman for MQ purposes. I love the shaman to death, but I've been tempted to roll a cleric bot just because of how amazing they are for a group geared tank to smash through the harder group content.

Shaman dps is pretty awesome as it stands. Heals are solid and are fine for general farming with a group geared tank. The harder encounters of EoK you will likely struggle with. That said, keep in mind my experience is with a sk group geared tank that could be optimized better. If you have a warrior that EoK t2 geared + current on at least group aug slots you will likely fare a bit better than my experience. Same if you have a really solid dps group. My dps is solid, but it's not a high powered dps group.

 

[mcarpe]

I ditched my shm a long time ago. Clr hands down the better option for healing. Shm utility is nice and all but roll a bst or something.

 

[MaxD]

Compared to a cleric merc.. A real cleric is like 3 cleric mercs doing a good job

 

[surfdog21]

Thanks for the input! Cmon 2x experience!

 

[playj]

Autocleric.mac is just amazing! I too was running shaman or druid but am a convert to cleric

 

[Tank Life]

Shaman does fine for healing, biggest 2 things you miss is the cleric buff which can be replaced by a merc every 2-3 hours and the cleric aura thing that increases base HP of the group.

I main a shaman for raiding so I use it for my groups. Currently sitting at a 5 box instead of a 6 box so I have a cleric merc up so I don't have to worry about buff timers. If you're strictly going to be group based I would recommend a cleric + chanter over a shaman for MQ purposes. I love the shaman to death, but I've been tempted to roll a cleric bot just because of how amazing they are for a group geared tank to smash through the harder group content.

Shaman dps is pretty awesome as it stands. Heals are solid and are fine for general farming with a group geared tank. The harder encounters of EoK you will likely struggle with. That said, keep in mind my experience is with a sk group geared tank that could be optimized better. If you have a warrior that EoK t2 geared + current on at least group aug slots you will likely fare a bit better than my experience. Same if you have a really solid dps group. My dps is solid, but it's not a high powered dps group.

When you are referring to it being a struggle, do you mean nameds or some actual trash mobs? If its just nameds, I could drop a dps out of group and pop up a cleric merc to help heal for the one fight then go back to farming.

If clerics are truly that good though, I may have to work up my cleric instead

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[whiteviper]

I cant believe no one mentioned DI or battle rezes. Go fill a bag with emeralds and keep DI up at all times.

Shining bulwark, aura of the reverent, aura of devotion are all amazing buffs a real cleric will keep up that a merc does not.

A real cleric will also pop AA abilities.

A real cleric does way better than my old method of drop a dps and pop 2 mercs.

BTW when i say real cleric i mean a cleric run by autocleric.

 

[jimbob]

Clerics are awesome. A boxed cleric with Autocleric or MQ2Heals > any # of cleric mercs in a group. If you have a caster DPS group, consider a druid for extra ADPS. You can get away with it, especially if you're good with your tank, and extra ADPS rules. If you're melee heavy, you could roll a shaman instead. MQ2Heals supports all 3 classes, but I don't know how the shaman performance is. I personally just use the cleric and/or druid.

 

[PMLL]

Personally, using autocleric, ive almost quit logging my shammy in entirely, I hate that as I love the toon, but autocleric is so out of the world its just not even funny....I dont want to compare it to a real life cleric, but honestly I definately dont want to try and compare a real person healing to my autocleric....my cleric is sitting at 105 in reign of fear tier 1 armor....never runs out of mana, and keeps my tank alive like it was nothing. and im still gearing my tank, almost full t1 now.....

 

[Gillybear]

When you are referring to it being a struggle, do you mean nameds or some actual trash mobs? If its just nameds, I could drop a dps out of group and pop up a cleric merc to help heal for the one fight then go back to farming.

If clerics are truly that good though, I may have to work up my cleric instead

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Struggle as in Atrebe mission can suck a massive dick and die in a fire. Outside of that mission I have no issues healing as a raid geared shaman. Not having Suriety makes a huge difference though, hence why I said keeping the buff up. So long as you keep your tank buffed w/ cleric merc buffs you should be fine. But as has been mentioned here, having a cleric will let you kill content quite a bit easier than a shaman because of how much better the cleric is at making your tank more survivable let alone heals.

 

[timmy]

ka and autocleric are both fantastic for cle. i'm a big fan. that being said, i've forgotten to turn my cle on before and shm running KA kept me up for hours before i realized anything was amiss. ka is powa! get yourself and eok heal proc item and turn melee attacks on in ka for your healers for laughs and more healing!

 

[Meistro]

My main play group runs with both a shaman and a cleric, (I know I run some redundancies), but it is how I like to play.

I use MQ2Heals by jimbob all the time on both shaman and cleric, mind I play with the settings so the cleric does most (all) of the healing. But when it fist came out there was a time that for some reason, it didn't have the cleric healing...mind that problem was quickly fixed once it was figured out... however, took me a few days to figure it out because my shaman was doing a slammin job of healing my group, I figured it out watching the DPS meter...shaman wasn't doing much dps anymore because he was always healing.

This was in TBM when TBM was current (don't have EOK yet) so I would say a properly set group could easily run with a shaman as a healer (good tank and CC) but if he is the main healer, don't expect a lot of dps or other combat buffs, he may not have the time.