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MQ2Shaman

Plugin - MQ2Shaman 3.1.52471.11

@Sic,

As someone with a level 125 shaman equipped with maxed AAs and T1/T2 group gear, I’ve noticed significant issues when relying on a shaman as the primary healer at lower levels! The role of an MQ2Shaman healer becomes exceeding problematic during the leveling process, particularly between levels 50 and 80.

When setting the plugin to "Loadout: Heal," its internal spell prioritization loop often neglects healing during combat!!! Healing spells are only cast after all others such as debuffs and buffs are completed. This leaves designated primary tanks with little to no healing support during combat, regardless of loadout configuration, with up to 99% of instances lacking sufficient heals. The only way to currently address this is by resorting to BYOS and BOYSCustom settings, which allow users to override and remove non-healing spells to prioritize healing spells.

For instance, the plugin frequently executes a sequence of debuffs (e.g., slow and cripple) and maul proc buffs before casting a single heal. This often leads to situations where the tank's health drops to 10-20%, and the plugin continues its buff/debuff routines instead of prioritizing healing. As a result, tanks frequently die before receiving a single heal support spell.

Proposed Solution: When shaman (or druid) plugins are configured with "Loadout: Healing," healing should become the highest priority!!! The plugin should adhere strictly to the healing percentages provided in its settings, ensuring that all other actions (buffs, debuffs, etc.) are secondary to maintaining the tank’s health.
Sorry to hear about your woes.

I'm happy with the priority, shaman wasn't/isnt designed as a solo healer in that level of the game, and thus the plugin is designed with that in mind. Approaching that level with the same "solo heal" approach is going to bite you in the butt, they just don't have the toolkit to do that with the same expectations as "modern" shaman does. they really don't come into the "modern" design of their class until 101+ (multiple reckless, dicho/dissi, etc.

I'd suggest not using slow, cripple, etc, so you can byos/byos-custom so you can focus solely on healing as you mentioned. You're stretching the class, so byos/byos-custom can accomplish that.

As I'm sure you know, pre reckless their heals aren't super amazing either.

It > is < a struggle.

We can all imagine "shaman has to crank heals because it never slows/cripples/debuffs and my tank is getting rocked". It becomes a "rob peter to pay Paul" situation.
 
Sorry to hear about your woes.

I'm happy with the priority, shaman wasn't/isnt designed as a solo healer in that level of the game, and thus the plugin is designed with that in mind. Approaching that level with the same "solo heal" approach is going to bite you in the butt, they just don't have the toolkit to do that with the same expectations as "modern" shaman does. they really don't come into the "modern" design of their class until 101+ (multiple reckless, dicho/dissi, etc.

I'd suggest not using slow, cripple, etc, so you can byos/byos-custom so you can focus solely on healing as you mentioned. You're stretching the class, so byos/byos-custom can accomplish that.

As I'm sure you know, pre reckless their heals aren't super amazing either.

It > is < a struggle.

We can all imagine "shaman has to crank heals because it never slows/cripples/debuffs and my tank is getting rocked". It becomes a "rob peter to pay Paul" situation.
Thank you for the confirmation. This helps the most and I'll continue to use "BYOS and BOYSCustom"

they really don't come into the "modern" design of their class until 101+ (multiple reckless, dicho/dissi, etc.

Thank you!
 
I'm not sure if I am doing anything wrong to have alliance going on the shaman. I do have the spell Rk1 in the spell book but it won't load with alliance checked. Level 105 Shaman.

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@Sic,

As someone with a level 125 shaman equipped with maxed AAs and T1/T2 group gear, I’ve noticed significant issues when relying on a shaman as the primary healer at lower levels! The role of an MQ2Shaman healer becomes exceeding problematic during the leveling process, particularly between levels 50 and 80.

When setting the plugin to "Loadout: Heal," its internal spell prioritization loop often neglects healing during combat!!! Healing spells are only cast after all others such as debuffs and buffs are completed. This leaves designated primary tanks with little to no healing support during combat, regardless of loadout configuration, with up to 99% of instances lacking sufficient heals. The only way to currently address this is by resorting to BYOS and BOYSCustom settings, which allow users to override and remove non-healing spells to prioritize healing spells, sacrificing significant DPS.

For instance, the plugin frequently executes a sequence of debuffs (e.g., slow and cripple) and maul proc buffs before casting a single heal. This often leads to situations where the tank's health drops to 10-20%, and the plugin continues its buff/debuff routines instead of prioritizing healing. As a result, tanks frequently die before receiving a single heal support spell.

Proposed Solution: When shaman (or druid) plugins are configured with "Loadout: Healing," healing should become the highest priority!!! The plugin should adhere strictly to the healing percentages provided in its settings, ensuring that all other actions (buffs, debuffs, etc.) are secondary to maintaining the tank’s health as any player would.
I never really played a Shaman, mostly druid and cleric. I just got this plugin and having this exact same issue. I'm 110 with War, Brd, Shm, Mnk, Mnk, Mnk. I honestly don't think I've died this often in years. I wish there was a toggle to have the Shaman prioritize healing above all else. I just had all 3 of my Mnks die on a 3 mob pull and watching the Shaman, it was casting dots or something. I'll give the BYOS a try, because as of right now it's fairly useless unless I'm slow pulling and get no adds. I've seen one of my Mnks sit at 10% for over 20seconds while the Shaman is out to lunch. :(

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So instead of setting BYOS, I deselected usedot, usenuke, usemalo, useslow and it has helped. Not sure why I can't remove the Dots it has memorized, since usedots is no longer selected. Also had to deselect pet, I've died a few times because it was using the summon companion AA instead of healing.
 
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So instead of setting BYOS, I deselected usedot, usenuke, usemalo, useslow and it has helped. Not sure why I can't remove the Dots it has memorized, since usedots is no longer selected. Also had to deselect pet, I've died a few times because it was using the summon companion AA instead of healing.
For some classes this is specific and intentional, like here.

Sometimes you don't want to use dots during a certain part, but do otherwise, so it exists like that on purpose.

Byos/byos-custom exists for if you don't like the spell lineups, so use that.

I roll doubt that summon companion killed you. you can also turn that off /shm usesummoncompanion off it is one of the "not in the commands list, but was added and in update notes" - it isn't recommended turning this off as eq does a shit job with pets and they can get stuck under the world

Just for clarification, we do prioritize healing over everything else. Everything. You can't make it a wizard, it is a priest overwhelmingly.

Shaman are just a busy class, and you can't do something while you're already doing something else.

if you go through all of your heal checks, and there's nothing to do, now you're going to go and check nukes and dots, if you're now casting a spell when a heal needs to go off, it is gonna wait until it is done casting - we don't interrupt.

Increasing your healing values, lower your assist values (which don't affect when you heal). turn off single slow if you have it on - it is a waste imo, l

I would also make sure the rest of your group is doing what it should. Expanse vs precision on your warrior for example.

you also quoted someone who was talking about lvl 50 through lvl 80 game, talking about cripple and slow causing headache (and those are priorities, especially at those levels). they're talking about basically a different game than you're talking about at lvl 110, so it isn't really apples to apples,


I personally use AutoAssistAt 100, but you may considering turning it DOWN from the default 98, to something like 80, so the fight is "established" and stable.

If you don't have your epic, you should get that as an absolute "stop what you're doing and go get it now"

turn off single malo, single slow, turn off UseRegen, turn off UseCheetah, turn off UseGroupShrink, turn off UseSpellCanni

RecklessMA and RecklessNotMA defualts are 90/80, if you're having problems, increase that to 95/90

You didn't mention if your gear/aa/spells are level appropriate - missing spells, especially having as many reckless as the plugin is asking you to have is going to substantially hurt you
 
Thanks Sic, I'll give it a try. I keep up with all spells and combat abilities and try to get rk 2 whenever the cost isn't astronomical, gear is all 105/106 requirement with some 110 sprinkled in mainly on my war.

I think it's just that I'm trying to go faster than the Shaman can handle until I get him to 125 with some non-auto AAs. And the fact that I've never played a shaman.

I temporarily dropped one of my monks for my cleric and moved the shaman to pure dps, works much better until I get the war and shaman higher. So now I'm running 110 - war,shm,brd,mnk,mnk and a 125 cleric and I'll bring the other mnk back in once I'm higher level with more AAs.
 
Thanks Sic, I'll give it a try. I keep up with all spells and combat abilities and try to get rk 2 whenever the cost isn't astronomical, gear is all 105/106 requirement with some 110 sprinkled in mainly on my war.

I think it's just that I'm trying to go faster than the Shaman can handle until I get him to 125 with some non-auto AAs. And the fact that I've never played a shaman.

I temporarily dropped one of my monks for my cleric and moved the shaman to pure dps, works much better until I get the war and shaman higher. So now I'm running 110 - war,shm,brd,mnk,mnk and a 125 cleric and I'll bring the other mnk back in once I'm higher level with more AAs.
101+ shaman can be solo healer, but it does require some extra thought and effort, they're a much more diverse class than cleric.

I don't recommend double healer, but if that makes you happy do that.

Not only does shaman take a little extra effort, but sham/war combo does too. Expanse and not precision on war, adjusting your settings on shaman to tailor to that, getting Rez stick, getting shm epic (shm and brd epic should be absolute top priority, like stop doing anything else and go get those).

Those settings adjustments, especially turning off single slow and single malo are substantially important imo
 
101+ shaman can be solo healer, but it does require some extra thought and effort, they're a much more diverse class than cleric.

I don't recommend double healer, but if that makes you happy do that.

Not only does shaman take a little extra effort, but sham/war combo does too. Expanse and not precision on war, adjusting your settings on shaman to tailor to that, getting Rez stick, getting shm epic (shm and brd epic should be absolute top priority, like stop doing anything else and go get those).

Those settings adjustments, especially turning off single slow and single malo are substantially important imo
Thank you for the info. I'm just running double healer until my warrior gets to 115, but I didn't realize the epics still mattered. I came back in March after a 10+ year break. I'll start working on their epics.
 
Thank you for the info. I'm just running double healer until my warrior gets to 115, but I didn't realize the epics still mattered. I came back in March after a 10+ year break. I'll start working on their epics.
Good plan! Out of the toons you have, shaman and bard epics are definitely worthwhile!
 
101+ shaman can be solo healer, but it does require some extra thought and effort, they're a much more diverse class than cleric.

I don't recommend double healer, but if that makes you happy do that.

Not only does shaman take a little extra effort, but sham/war combo does too. Expanse and not precision on war, adjusting your settings on shaman to tailor to that, getting Rez stick, getting shm epic (shm and brd epic should be absolute top priority, like stop doing anything else and go get those).

Those settings adjustments, especially turning off single slow and single malo are substantially important imo

first thing i did on my shaman was the 2.0, stupid not too. epic is still usefull as fuck. think i did it in a few days still need a rez stick, but i will get that.
 
Hey there I am hoping someone can help me I just bought this plugin and my shaman just spams 2 spells on his pet. Swift Like the Wind and Unity of the Heroic over and over again. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong :( I don't see a setting for them.
 
Hey there I am hoping someone can help me I just bought this plugin and my shaman just spams 2 spells on his pet. Swift Like the Wind and Unity of the Heroic over and over again. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong :( I don't see a setting for them.
Q. Shaman is chain casting something?
A. There are a few lower lvl / mid level buffs that eq/mq reports stack that do not, or will chain overwrite other buffs and you get into a buffing contest with another toon. You either have this situation, or some other issues. I would suggest checking for the red error text that eq gives you to tell you WHY it didn't successfully take hold and then go from there. You can block anything you don't want cast. This is a built in everquest feature - right click on the buff and "add this spell to list of blocked spells" or go through the eq menu -> character -> blocked buffs

Its on the tab marked FAQ's 👍
 
Q. Shaman is chain casting something?
A. There are a few lower lvl / mid level buffs that eq/mq reports stack that do not, or will chain overwrite other buffs and you get into a buffing contest with another toon. You either have this situation, or some other issues. I would suggest checking for the red error text that eq gives you to tell you WHY it didn't successfully take hold and then go from there. You can block anything you don't want cast. This is a built in everquest feature - right click on the buff and "add this spell to list of blocked spells" or go through the eq menu -> character -> blocked buffs

Its on the tab marked FAQ's 👍
Thank you so much, I should have checked there first :) I appreciate you letting me know.
 
For some reason this morning my shaman has stopped doing all Stat buffs. I just hit level 80 and got the new spells. He was spamming the single target STA (Spirit of Vehemence) when the group had the Group version on. So I blocked it (have unblocked it since) but now hes not casting/rebuffing any stat buff AGI, STR, STA. doing Focus and everything else like normal. Any ideas?
 
For some reason this morning my shaman has stopped doing all Stat buffs. I just hit level 80 and got the new spells. He was spamming the single target STA (Spirit of Vehemence) when the group had the Group version on. So I blocked it (have unblocked it since) but now hes not casting/rebuffing any stat buff AGI, STR, STA. doing Focus and everything else like normal. Any ideas?
those lower level stat buffs, STAGi/GAgi etc we only do on toons lower than 80 (we still cast them up till we're 100, but we don't buff toons lower than 80 with those.
 
those lower level stat buffs, STAGi/GAgi etc we only do on toons lower than 80 (we still cast them up till we're 100, but we don't buff toons lower than 80 with those.
So since I hit 80 it changed and he wont buff those again till 100? Just trying to understand how it works. I can setup a hotkey for buffme so its not a problem.
 
So since I hit 80 it changed and he wont buff those again till 100? Just trying to understand how it works. I can setup a hotkey for buffme so its not a problem.
the shaman won't cast them at all if the shaman is over level 100 - but will only cast them (at any point) on a recipient that is 80 or below.

those buffs become useless/redundant/not-actually-do-anything at a certain gear/buffpoint

imo, you should just let the plugin do its thing - but yes, you can just use buffme if you were wild and crazy about it
 
Ok cool. Thanks for the explanation. Just wanted to make it wasnt broken or something weird happened since he was last night. My group did hit 80 before I logged so I did see it till I went to rebuff today.
 
the shaman won't cast them at all if the shaman is over level 100 - but will only cast them (at any point) on a recipient that is 80 or below.

those buffs become useless/redundant/not-actually-do-anything at a certain gear/buffpoint

imo, you should just let the plugin do its thing - but yes, you can just use buffme if you were wild and crazy about it

Also just hit 80 yesterday and noticed this same thing with my shaman. Foresight (and its triggered Mammoth's Strength) have damage mods and evasion mods built in as well as the stats. Are these negligable? If so, I won't worry!

Here are the tooltips:
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I have 2x 125 shaman, both have level 6 reciprocal in their spell book... one will not automatically mem it (mem's ecliptic) and the other will. They both have ToB raid bps. If i mem reciprocal on the dorked up shaman, it will forget it and remem ecliptic. One shows on info tab as having reciprocal and the other shows as having ecliptic. From the spellbook of the one with ecliptic memming. BYOS off on both toons.

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Have you done a /shm reload after getting your new BP?
0 need to do that anymore

I have 2x 125 shaman, both have level 6 reciprocal in their spell book... one will not automatically mem it (mem's ecliptic) and the other will. They both have ToB raid bps. If i mem reciprocal on the dorked up shaman, it will forget it and remem ecliptic. One shows on info tab as having reciprocal and the other shows as having ecliptic. From the spellbook of the one with ecliptic memming. BYOS off on both toons.

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Show me the bps plz. Inspect them with effect shown.

Myysterio I'm trying to not be impatient with you, but endless amounts of "please give me enough information to help you".
 
0 need to do that anymore


Show me the bps plz. Inspect them with effect shown.

Myysterio I'm trying to not be impatient with you, but endless amounts of "please give me enough information to help you".
I have zero problem giving you any information you need. I give too much information it gets confusing so i generally wait for follow-on questions so it doesnt get stupid in the other direction

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I have zero problem giving you any information you need. I give too much information it gets confusing so i generally wait for follow-on questions so it doesnt get stupid in the other direction

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cool - appreciate that communication about that - we can work with that going forward 0 figuring out how to communicate is going to be a great QoL for the both of us. this prolly sounds like ballbusting, but im 100% serious, thanks dude

Let me take a look here.

Back in march i updated for Spiritwalker Coat of the Bound cause they finally fixed that in January, but I may not have known this bp also got adjusted - allah still has the old info on it.

does one of your shammies have Coat of the Bound and one has Coat of Rebellion?
 
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