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Sic updated MQ2Paladin with a new update entry:
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I was so sure I would stick to 3 chars and 3 mercs. I've seen the posts where you bet on how long it'll be before someone goes to six and I thought it would never be me. I don't think I have much time left before I break. Mercs are great at low levels but now they just seem so flat.
You mentioned that Palys are underrated. I've just started a new SK as a MT (second one). Everyone seems to rate Paladins way below them, with warriors even below that (caveat being gear might bring they way up when they get the bis stuff). How would you, or anyone else, rank Paladins with respect to tanking?
You mentioned that Palys are underrated. I've just started a new SK as a MT (second one). Everyone seems to rate Paladins way below them, with warriors even below that (caveat being gear might bring they way up when they get the bis stuff). How would you, or anyone else, rank Paladins with respect to tanking?
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paladins are just fine - I *personally* prefer sk just because of being a necro main for 100 million years - but paladins are great fun. I was thumbs down on them before we started doing mq2paladin, but now i love them. they are more than capable of doing stuff --- there is obviously tradeoffs on the 3 tanking classes, and SK would probably still be my #1 suggestion, but if you like paladins, or want another (or 1) rez that you dont have - they're great
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Definitely going to need to use BYOS Custom for this plugin.
The default spell line up is, in my opinion, half useless spells in a group environment, and as was already pointed out, there should be a "usestuns" and "useheals" option to swap in stun spells (very very usable in the group game, useless in a raiding environment) and wave for group healing (why is this not included already?).
Splashes in the group game should really only be available for events like Shei where you want the cures. The brilliant line should really be used to twincast the splash (really in a raiding environment), and is otherwise a shitty DD Spell without the twincast component, and basic melee damage is going to supersede spell damage unless you're also running Thunder of Karana. With 6 DD spells loaded (the crushes also have a nice aggro component, which isn't needed a whole lot in the group game) I imagine the paladin will run out of mana rather quickly.
Paladins are self-healing passively quite often, and Burst / Composite are fine in that regard.
There should be some monitoring of folks using Divine Call on cooldown in a group environment, since it'll just pull mobs all over the place if the tank backs up when too close to the target. Great to use in a raid though, since mobs cannot be push/pulled in that way.
I'll give this a spin later on and give a full assessment for you. I loved the core CWTN stuff for pulling, setting radius/arc, and having a UI window for the settings.
The default spell line up is, in my opinion, half useless spells in a group environment, and as was already pointed out, there should be a "usestuns" and "useheals" option to swap in stun spells (very very usable in the group game, useless in a raiding environment) and wave for group healing (why is this not included already?).
Splashes in the group game should really only be available for events like Shei where you want the cures. The brilliant line should really be used to twincast the splash (really in a raiding environment), and is otherwise a shitty DD Spell without the twincast component, and basic melee damage is going to supersede spell damage unless you're also running Thunder of Karana. With 6 DD spells loaded (the crushes also have a nice aggro component, which isn't needed a whole lot in the group game) I imagine the paladin will run out of mana rather quickly.
Paladins are self-healing passively quite often, and Burst / Composite are fine in that regard.
There should be some monitoring of folks using Divine Call on cooldown in a group environment, since it'll just pull mobs all over the place if the tank backs up when too close to the target. Great to use in a raid though, since mobs cannot be push/pulled in that way.
I'll give this a spin later on and give a full assessment for you. I loved the core CWTN stuff for pulling, setting radius/arc, and having a UI window for the settings.
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you didn't even load it and want to give your thoughts?
you think it is half useless, i disagree but please give some constructive feedback
i think you miss the point and the plugin and maybe skipped the part where i mentioned these things
you know what is funny - is i actually pm'd you a few times on your thoughts on stuff because i knew you were opinionated about paladin things and last message went seen and unanswered - so /shrug
this plugin might not be for you - the plugins aren't for everyone.
I'm not sure if you skipped the video, but some of the stuff you mention i actually already specifically addressed and said that we weren't doing that.
it is very unlikely we're going to have spell loadouts for a bunch of reasons including the ones i already mentioned.
it *is* obviously in pre-release, that is the whole point of it - but i'm not super interested in "i haven't tried it, and i'm going to sound like im arguing with stuff already stated". I'm not here to argue with you or anyone
divine call has a toggle - if you don't want to use it, you can turn it off, that's why there is a toggle. We don't use divine call on cooldown, i didn't say that, it doesn't do that, and you haven't even loaded it. It is a significant waste of my time addressing things that aren't things that need addressing.
"i love the core stuff for pulling and settings window" - that doesn't sound like these are the tools that meet your needs in the way they meet the needs of our target audience - which as i said they're not for everyone, and that is ok. so if this is going to be a "gonna shit on this stuff" maybe how about no thanks
it'd be much easier to do pre-release and full releases of stuff if i didn't have to argue/fight/repeatmyself with a very small handful of people like this post here. it doesn't feel good.
I'm going to be generous in blocking unconstructive, argumentative, or time-wasting posts from this thread. when shaman was released, something silly like 40% of all posts/replies in like the first week were spent on a single person, not really interested in doing that again.
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you didn't even load it and want to give your thoughts?
you think it is half useless, i disagree but please give some constructive feedback
i think you miss the point and the plugin and maybe skipped the part where i mentioned these things
you know what is funny - is i actually pm'd you a few times on your thoughts on stuff because i knew you were opinionated about paladin things and last message went seen and unanswered - so /shrug
this plugin might not be for you - the plugins aren't for everyone.
I'm not sure if you skipped the video, but some of the stuff you mention i actually already specifically addressed and said that we weren't doing that.
it is very unlikely we're going to have spell loadouts for a bunch of reasons including the ones i already mentioned.
it *is* obviously in pre-release, that is the whole point of it - but i'm not super interested in "i haven't tried it, and i'm going to sound like im arguing with stuff already stated". I'm not here to argue with you or anyone
divine call has a toggle - if you don't want to use it, you can turn it off, that's why there is a toggle. We don't use divine call on cooldown, i didn't say that, it doesn't do that, and you haven't even loaded it. It is a significant waste of my time addressing things that aren't things that need addressing.
"i love the core stuff for pulling and settings window" - that doesn't sound like these are the tools that meet your needs in the way they meet the needs of our target audience - which as i said they're not for everyone, and that is ok. so if this is going to be a "gonna shit on this stuff" maybe how about no thanks
it'd be much easier to do pre-release and full releases of stuff if i didn't have to argue/fight/repeatmyself with a very small handful of people like this post here. it doesn't feel good
I did watch the video, I said I would give feedback once I got to run it, and I intend to in both default configurations and how I play a group-based paladin. I apologize Sic, I wasn't trying to offend, I know that you and Chat both put a lot of work into these. In terms of the messages back over a year ago, it felt like you guys weren't interested in what I had to say, so I just sort of dropped it.
PS - there's 2 AE aggro AAs on a 2 minute reuse timer, one with a 40 foot and one with a 30 foot radius. Paladins are notoriously terrible at AE threat and add pickups, but are probably the superior tank of all three classes due to their survivability.
PPS - I've also really enjoyed toting around paladin+shaman in my groups for the double ress ability, so you're 100% about that bonus they get.
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well that's not really what happened, but that's alright, difference in perspective.I did watch the video, I said I would give feedback once I got to run it, and I intend to in both default configurations and how I play a group-based paladin. I apologize Sic, I wasn't trying to offend, I know that you and Chat both put a lot of work into these. In terms of the messages back over a year ago, it felt like you guys weren't interested in what I had to say, so I just sort of dropped it.
PS - there's 2 AE aggro AAs on a 2 minute reuse timer, one with a 40 foot and one with a 30 foot radius. Paladins are notoriously terrible at AE threat and add pickups, but are probably the superior tank of all three classes due to their survivability.
PPS - I've also really enjoyed toting around paladin+shaman in my groups for the double ress ability, so you're 100% about that bonus they get.
Considering thus far, i'd request that you just try it and if you enjoy it grab yourself a license when it comes out later, or don't - which is obviously super ok with no judgment. I don't have any spoons for you at this time, so if you don't mind to just keep your thoughts to yourself that'd be appreciated.
I hope you enjoy it for times when you want some hands off
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what's the rush! enjoy itwhere could we locate the Pre-Order Buttonlol JK but really
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the RG pipeline is down for a smidge, but will have MemWave in next build - allows you to memorize a Wave heal instead of one of the crush T5s. I actually meant to do this a while back, but kind of forgot =p splash is so little mana and so strong i haven't needed wave, but i understand the need/want.
the plugin is actually set to automagically use 2 Wave spells (and not just one) if you were to mem your two most recent ones
the plugin is actually set to automagically use 2 Wave spells (and not just one) if you were to mem your two most recent ones
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Will there possibly be an option to toggle the use of undead-only spells?
This is likely a weakness of my character but when I pull named mobs I am spending close to 30s until I can get the mob to 99% hp and have my dps engage. Is there any way for me to modify the routine when a named is pulled to use more direct damage spells off the bat?
This is likely a weakness of my character but when I pull named mobs I am spending close to 30s until I can get the mob to 99% hp and have my dps engage. Is there any way for me to modify the routine when a named is pulled to use more direct damage spells off the bat?
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you should have your assist toons assisting at 100% (assuming cwtn toons). I have all my toons assist at 100% all the time without question.
if you check my hotkeys resource, there is also a hotkey for forcing everyone to engage your target - so if you'd prefer to leave everyone waiting at 98 or whatnot, you can still "call them to your aid"
hope that helps
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yep, will fix thanks
thanks will take a look at it, it should only try and do it on yourself.
yep, will fix thanks
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Thanks for this! I suck at playing a pally so this is a huge help!
Sic, I loaded it up last night and its working very nicely. Is there a change in the Vorpal and Sic Tank mode? Difference from war/sk version I mean. I saw some updates this morning, and not sure I remember correctly how to update. Since its not a paid plugin yet, do I unload MQ and restart the launcher or is there another way?
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no, those are all "common" functions - there is no change in any modes. also, vorpal is not a tanking mode, never has been, and never will be - still not sure where that idea has come from - certainly not cwtn or myself :p
to update you update VV
Wow couldn't be more perfect timing. Came back to game and running Pal cle (just switched from dru for now) ench and mage x3 and leveling up. Was running cwtn on all but paladin haha.
Will let you know if I run into any lower lvl issues but thank you for this!
Will let you know if I run into any lower lvl issues but thank you for this!
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thanks
oh - i meant to put in faq (and will)
sub lvl 80, we will only use our stun spells while tanking (assigned group main tank, or in a tanking mode). some TLP lower lvl raid testing resulted in paladin ripping aggro with stun quite a bit.
so if you're manual mode (and not assigned group main tank), or assisting and not otherwise assigned group main tank, then you won't use those ForceT3/4/5 spells
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Testing out the Mq2paladin! So far, very impressed.
I really like the ability to turn blessing off.
That helps a lot when doing a lesson burn, or simply not running missions or raids.
I really like the ability to turn blessing off.
That helps a lot when doing a lesson burn, or simply not running missions or raids.
I am testing now. I had hoped for the loadout toggle for tank, dps, hybrid. I never use a paladin in tank mode and normally never load hate generation spells and or so many defensive spells.. I am just going to have to learn how to better use custom byos. But overall works well... Nice job
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you posted in a fippy's thread where some unconstructive stuff was moved to - i moved your post to the actual thread.
I go over the no loadouts for paladin a bit in the video / faq - check it out on the main page of faq tab
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gonna add UseStanceBuff and UsePreservation toggles to the already existing UseBlessing - should help with a little more flexibility without going down the "please no one" loadout rabbithole
obviously, if byos/byos-custom are probably going to be the best for *you* if you are very particular at what you want, but this should help a bit
obviously, if byos/byos-custom are probably going to be the best for *you* if you are very particular at what you want, but this should help a bit
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