Question - Cleric not breaking invis to heal

[Talron]

Since the latest patch, my cleric no longer breaks invis to heal the MA. All other toons on this computer break invis and start to fight. I cannot find anything in the characters ini that would seem to cause this. Am I even barking up the right tree on this?

Here is his ini:
[General]
KissAssistVer=11.005
Role=assist

CampRadius=100
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0

ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=5

MedOn=1
MedStart=20
MedCombat=0

LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1|90

AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0

EQBCOn=0
IRCOn=0


CampfireOn=0

CharInfo=Cleric|114|GOLD
DefaultUI=TRUE
DPSMeter=1
ScatterOn=0
XTSlot=1
GroupWatchCheck=FALSE

DanNetOn=1
DanNetDelay=20


[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
BuffsSize=16
Buffs1=Divine Reaction
Buffs2=Aura of the Reverent|Aura|Reverent Aura
Buffs3=Aura of Divinity|Aura|Aura of Divinity
Buffs4=Divine Intermediation|MA
Buffs5=Unified Righteousness|Dual|Righteousness|Cond13
Buffs6=Divine Guardian|MA
Buffs7=Saint's Unity|Cond12
Buffs8=Anticipated Intercession|MA
Buffs9=Greater Protection of Vie|MA
Buffs10=Ward of Righteousness Rk. II|MA
Buffs11=Shining Aegis|MA
Buffs12=Curate's Retort|MA
Buffs13=Armor of the Reverent
Buffs14=Anizok's Steam Escalator|dual|Mount Blessing Ozah|mount
Buffs15=Quiet Prayer|Mana|55
Buffs16=Veturika's Perseverance|Mana|65
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=10
PowerSource=NULL

[AE]
AEOn=1
AESize=2
AERadius=50
AE1=Celestial Regeneration|3
AE2=Sanctuary|3

[Aggro]
AggroOn=1
AggroSize=4
Aggro1=Divine Retribution|80|>
Aggro2=Divine Peace|50|>
Aggro3=Sanctuary|Self|30|>
Aggro4=Blessing of Sanctuary|45|>

[Heals]
HealsOn=1
HealsSize=29
Heals1=Divine Resurrection|0|rez
Heals2=Blessing of Resurrection|0|rez
Heals3=Burst of Life|50
Heals4=Seventeenth Rejuvenation Rk. II|25|MA
Heals5=Dissident Blessing|60|MA
Heals6=Divine Arbitration|35
Heals7=Celestial Rapidity|99|Cond11
Heals8=Healing Frenzy|99|Cond10
Heals9=Channeling the Divine|99|Cond10
Heals10=Ward of Purity|99|Cond10
Heals11=Exquisite Benediction|99|Cond10
Heals12=Flurry of Life|99|Cond10
Heals13=Spire of the Vicar|99|Cond10
Heals14=Adamant Triumphant Cloud Illuminator Breastplate|99|MA|Cond11
Heals15=Focused Celestial Regeneration|85|MA|Cond11
Heals16=Sincere Remedy Rk. II|99|MA
Heals17=Spiritual Remedy|99|MA
Heals18=Promised Redemption|99|!MA
Heals19=Beacon of Life|99|Cond6
Heals20=Merciful Intervention|99|MA
Heals21=Celestial Regeneration|99|Cond4
Heals22=Mystical Intervention|85
Heals23=Aegis of Superior Divinity|99|Cond4
Heals24=Focused Celestial Regeneration|85|MA
Heals25=Syllable of Soothing|99|Cond2
Heals26=Word Soothing Rk. II|99|Cond3
Heals27=Merciful Remedy|80|!MA
Heals28=Sincere Remedy|80|!MA
Heals29=Celestial Regeneration|35|Me

AutoRezOn=1
AutoRezWith=Blessing of Resurrection
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
XTarHeal=1
XTarHealList=2|3|4|5|6|7|8
HealGroupPetsOn=1

[Cures]
CuresOn=1
CuresSize=5
Cures1=Radiant Cure
Cures2=Ward of Purity
Cures3=Purified Spirits
Cures4=Group Purify Soul
Cures5=Word of Greater Restoration

[Burn]
BurnSize=1
BurnAllNamed=1
Burn1=NULL
UseTribute=0

[GoM]
GoMSize=1
GoMSpell1=Dissident Blessing|MA
GoMSHelp=Format - Spell|Target, MA Me or Mob, i.e. Rampaging Servant Rk. II|Mob

[KConditions]
ConOn=1
CondSize=13
Cond1=${Me.PctMana} > 20 && ${Target.PctHPs} > 20 && ${Group.MainTank.PctHPs} > 80
Cond2=(${Group.Injured[80]} >= 3)
Cond3=(${Group.Injured[75]} >= 3)
Cond4=(${Group.Injured[75]} >= 2)
Cond5=(${Group.Injured[60]} >= 2)
Cond6=(${Group.Injured[50]} >= 2)
Cond7=(${Bool[${Me.Mount.ID}]}==FALSE)
Cond8=${Me.CombatState.Equal[Combat]}
Cond9=!${Me.AltAbilityReady[Divine Arbitration]}
Cond10=${Me.GroupAssistTarget.Named}
Cond11=${Me.GroupAssistTarget.Named} || ${Me.XTarget} > 4
Cond12=(!${Me.Buff[Armor of the Merciful].ID} && ${Spell[Armor of the Merciful].Stacks}) || (!${Me.Buff[Armor of Sincerity].ID} && ${Spell[Armor of Sincerity].Stacks})
Cond13=!${Target.Buff[Righteousness].ID} && ${Spell[Righteousness].StacksTarget}

[Spells]
MiscGem=13
MiscGemLW=0
MiscGemRemem=1
CastingInterruptOn=0
LoadSpellSet=2
SpellSetName=Default
Gem1=Sincere Remedy
Gem2=Merciful Remedy
Gem3=Promised Redemption
Gem4=Sincere Intervention
Gem5=Merciful Intervention
Gem6=Curate's Retort
Gem7=Divine Intermediation
Gem8=Divine Reaction
Gem9=Seventeenth Rejuvenation
Gem10=Dissident Blessing
Gem11=Syllable of Soothing
Gem12=Word of Greater Replenishment
Gem13=Ward of Righteousness

[MySpells]
Gem1=Sincere Remedy
Gem2=Merciful Remedy
Gem3=Promised Redemption
Gem4=Sincere Intervention
Gem5=Merciful Intervention
Gem6=Curate's Retort
Gem7=Divine Intermediation
Gem8=Divine Reaction
Gem9=Seventeenth Rejuvenation
Gem10=Dissident Blessing
Gem11=Syllable of Soothing
Gem12=Word of Greater Replenishment
Gem13=Ward of Righteousness

[Melee]
AssistAt=95
MeleeOn=0
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll
AutoFireOn=0
UseMQ2Melee=0
TargetSwitchingOn=1

[GMail]
GMailHelp=Events currently support - Dead,Drag,GM,Level,Named,Leftgroup,Tells
GMailOn=0
GMailSize=5
GMail1=NULL
GMail2=NULL
GMail3=NULL
GMail4=NULL
GMail5=NULL

[Pull]
PullWith=Melee
PullMeleeStick=0
MaxRadius=350
MaxZRange=50
UseWayPointZ=0
PullWait=5
PullRadiusToUse=90
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2
PullPause=30|2
PullLevel=0|0
PullArcWidth=0

[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=500
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0

[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

[KissError]
LastCMD:=/if (!37) {
ErrorDateTime:=01/15/2020 07:09:59
ErrorMsg:=Plugin 'mq2heals' not found.
DataError:=No such 'string' member 'ID'
SyntaxError:=Could not find channel group
RunningTime:=1644058
BuildDate:=20200114
CurrentUI:=Default

[DPS]
DPSOn=0
DPSSize=20
DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=2
DPS1=NULL
DPS2=NULL
DPS3=NULL
DPS4=NULL
DPS5=NULL
DPS6=NULL
DPS7=NULL
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL
DPS16=NULL
DPS17=NULL
DPS18=NULL
DPS19=NULL
DPS20=NULL
DebuffAllOn=0

 

[Sic]

kiss shouldn't do anything if you are invised - there are sometimes where if it is casting a spell while invis hits, it would break - but it shouldn't break invis to heal your tank (looks like my ini too, nothing in there that should HAVE broken invis to do something)

 

[eqtrader74]

Yeah KA should stop if you're invis.

Are the other toons that break invis running just KA? I see in the cleric's ini it mentioned the last error was with mq2heals. Maybe you're running plugins that are auto-engaging?

 

[Robban]

My toons have ALWAYS broke invis and joined the fight if my Tank have started to fight. Gonna check the cleric again now after this patch.

 

[LrdDread]

But it's not stopping when Invis. Frequently when you issue an Invis command via /bc, one of the invisers will IMMEDIATELY cast a buff spell. Seeing the same thing when invis w/mqp on, as soon as you unpause an invis toon will throw a buff. And zoning will also cause the same thing.

I did look at trying to get some begug logs to send in, but unfortunately I tried it on multiple toons at once with HORRID effects on video lag. Will have to look at trying it again, with only one or maybe 2 toons debugging.

 

[Sic]

But it's not stopping when Invis. Frequently when you issue an Invis command via /bc, one of the invisers will IMMEDIATELY cast a buff spell. Seeing the same thing when invis w/mqp on, as soon as you unpause an invis toon will throw a buff. And zoning will also cause the same thing.

I did look at trying to get some begug logs to send in, but unfortunately I tried it on multiple toons at once with HORRID effects on video lag. Will have to look at trying it again, with only one or maybe 2 toons debugging.

this is how i handle this situation
I have a Pause hotkey which does a /bcga //mqp on and then i have an invis hotkey which tells my healer to dismount, and has a bct bardname multibind which does another /mqp on (in case i forgot), and then a /twist off <--- this is important, twist will break invis, then does /alt activate 3704 for a fresh selos and then /alt act 231 for group invis

A bunch of the subs have some me.invis checks to return out of the sub

check buffs, for example one of the conditions in the if statment is ${Me.Invis && $me.notarogue then return out of the function


the heal subs, however do have (${Me.Invis} && !${AggroTargetID}) I'm not sure where aggrotargetid is set - but it looks like it might do stuff if you are invis but you have an aggrotargetid


I'm not a kiss expert tho, and i might be misunderstanding something maybe we can get @ctaylor22 to hit us with some cool infos

 

[LrdDread]

I didn't mean to Hijack the thread, I just strongly feel that buff issues are what's causing a lot of the misbehavior we've been seeing in KISS of late. So sorry about that.

 

[Sic]

I didn't mean to Hijack the thread, I just strongly feel that buff issues are what's causing a lot of the misbehavior we've been seeing in KISS of late. So sorry about that.

nah i think its all on same topic really - plus if there is unexpected behavior conversation in and around it might help!

 

[Talron]

I see in the cleric's ini it mentioned the last error was with mq2heals. Maybe you're running plugins that are auto-engaging?

I tried this morning running MQ2heals and not running mq2heals. Nothing changed, either way, the cleric would not break invis. My toons have always broken invis on MA attack call. Rather odd that they all do other than the cleric (running a group of 6 toons).

I will likely do what you suggest in regards to pausing the whole group prior to invising, but that won't solve breaking invis without another command to remove invis buffs.

 

[Sic]

I tried this morning running MQ2heals and not running mq2heals. Nothing changed, either way, the cleric would not break invis. My toons have always broken invis on MA attack call. Rather odd that they all do other than the cleric (running a group of 6 toons).

I will likely do what you suggest in regards to pausing the whole group prior to invising, but that won't solve breaking invis without another command to remove invis buffs.

my other hotkeys are /bcga //mqp off and /bcga //makemevis --- I should have mentioned that sorry

I keep the pause/invis and pause off visible near each other the same idea as i do the campoff/campon and followme buttons

 

[Katiekaboom]

I have Always had every toon break invis to buff, heal, cast, summon stuff, and have actually gone to some lengths to have them as conditions to Check for invis to NOT break invis to do that, but have always relied on my healer to break invis to heal and my SK to break invis and take agro if something agros on the group so that I can move the group around while invis and if something agros begin the fight.

 

[dealings]

have the same issue with cleric, shaman using kiss breaks to heal , not cleric
what I end up doing is in a hotkey
/bct cleric //cast 1 (so it at least breaks mez)

 

[Talron]

So I think I figured this out. I've been running solely on DANnet. Today I activated both DANnet and EQBC in the INI's, and my cleric now breaks through invis to heal the group. Something within KA?

 

[ctaylor22]

Kiss will break invis to heal, only if the cleric sees mobs on aggro. Keep in mind, if someone outside of the cleric's GROUP needs to be healed, the cleric WON'T break invis to heal them, because the cleric won't see the mobs on the other groups aggro. In this situation, you would need to manually break invis on the cleric.

 

[Talron]

odd that it would only work with EQBC activated.

 

[jimbob]

I tried this morning running MQ2heals and not running mq2heals. Nothing changed, either way, the cleric would not break invis. My toons have always broken invis on MA attack call. Rather odd that they all do other than the cleric (running a group of 6 toons).

I will likely do what you suggest in regards to pausing the whole group prior to invising, but that won't solve breaking invis without another command to remove invis buffs.

If you intend to run MQ2HEALS with KA, MQ2HEALS has the option to break invis to heal. It can be toggled on and off as needed.