Question - Boxable Raids on Mischief (or any server) with 12

[mb4xy3]

Mischief is currently on VoA, RoF is soon.

I'm considering going from 6 to 12, and was wondering what raids i would be able to do / what is a good rule of thumb for older raids 12 can do? Assume strong gear, max AA on all toons.

Could i do one expansion old raids? Could i do in era tier 1 raids?

I understand mechanics and the fight weigh heavily on the answer, but i'm looking for more of a general rule of thumb. With Mischief being open loot, I'm not sure it's worth it to go 12 and raid myself, or just grind and buy gear.

 

[hackzimus]

So far each expac has had a couple encounters that were doable with 12 - 20 peeps in era, sometimes less. Surely in VoA youll be able to do argath, valley, sarith and maybe beasts domain. the other ones are a bit more mechanic intensive

Not sure which encounters in RoF you'll be able to do yet. I think theres some tougher mechanic ones in the mix because it seems VoA was an F-U to boxers.

If you're looking to get plat, T1 HoT would probably be a good farm for when heroic characters come out on the server and need the raid gear.

EDIT: Some of the RoF raids were somewhat small man freindly. We did Kael, Shards, CC, EW, Grellth, Evantil with 20-25 peeps.

CoTF we didn't really bother trying to small man anything, not that it couldnt be done. the EW doomscale may be possible with a smaller group?

TDS If you are flagged and can skip the first encounter, the optional T2 boss can probably be small manned. But this stuff currently on mischief is likely not worth the trouble since type 5 aug gear is out.

 

[mb4xy3]

So far each expac has had a couple encounters that were doable with 12 - 20 peeps in era, sometimes less. Surely in VoA youll be able to do argath, valley, sarith and maybe beasts domain. the other ones are a bit more mechanic intensive

Not sure which encounters in RoF you'll be able to do yet. I think theres some tougher mechanic ones in the mix because it seems VoA was an F-U to boxers.

If you're looking to get plat, T1 HoT would probably be a good farm for when heroic characters come out on the server and need the raid gear.

Thanks - i'm more looking to just do content beyond my 6, but actually be able to use the gear i get. Or, make plat and buy gear i can't get without havign to buy krono and sell for plat. It is more rewarding to use what you obtain yourself vs farm plat and buy, at least for me.

If i can do some T1 encounters in expansions with 12, then that would be worth it for me for sure, even if i farm VoA encounters and none in RoF, that'd be worth it for me i think (assuming T1 raid VoA is better then T4 group RoF that is, generally is usually).

Thanks - i'll consider it some more, but pushing to 12 may be a fun idea. If anything, it'll give me a reason to make a silk class or two.

 

[fakename]

if youre still looking for targets when we get tbm in feb you can 12 man golems in fear easily on the first day the strats for them are kill adds when they pop for the first two and for the one where its 4 spectres semi far away move the boss away from adds as they try to path in and for the last one he spawns totems and constantly agro drops. the totems spam an ae fear. What i did was make two buttonmaster buttons that bcaa to nav to two different locs about 100 away. as soon as totems spawn i spam the button to go to the next location so they stop casting. i also swap between tanks as the agro locking cds of ageless and acrimony are off cd to force it back to me.

tbm only has 1 armor tier and ive gotten every gear type peice from them so its should be a decent raid to run on cd. if you can find another 12 boxer to team up draco isnt much harder and if you can do draco you can clear tbm hate to.

dracos strat is pull him to a corner keep people on camp so they run back after fear and when he goes away kill the adds burn on his 3rd depop so you get them all dead.

maestros strat is to feed a paladin a fuck ton of mana so he can splash off the dt and go oom from curing other things that drains their mana when t hey cure. rallying call from brd quiet prayer from clr focused paragon from bst. burn everything on this
fight.

inny has a real dt send a low dps class like bard in to deftdance and eat the initial dt then go in and dps him his script is buggy af he is suppose to spawn 3 stone rings and put a purple aura on one and you go in that aura to remove the song window dt while dealing with his old school dt and fling but if you dps to hard he will just not do that and then you die so dont burn on him until they spawn sometimes it works in your favor and he only spawns one if you see only one stone circle start burning so he doesnt spawn the rest then you dont need to move him.

eok also has an easy t1 raid but im not sure its 12manable w/o eok raid weapons luckily there are rare drops in eok that = raid gear so you can get raid weapons rather easily.

the strat is to kill all the drogan warriors and priests then kill the highpriest all before 6mins. you probably need to use some burns to do this. then run back down and fight the thing the high priest summoned in the pool. peel off and kill adds golems > priests > boss. the boss randomly buffs himself where if he takes nukes he count down each nuke then heal himself but i never even see his health go up but i havent low manned it. i do know its possible to do though. I believe the requester needs to have lceanium done though which isnt low manable at all.

ros gorowyn raid is easily doable with a very specific 24 and you want to be unkos. you need 4 tanks and very strong burst dps that wont go out of mana over a very long fight. you need 4 melee groups with a tank basically. you go in start it up kill the guardian then make your way to the general kill him then go kill magma lord. pile into the corner near the door so noone flies from the punt. kill forge lord turn on his adds he summons. but as soon as you get the emote about the generals ghost spawning you need to send a tank and healer to baby sit him. he drops threat so the healer should be a clr to invuln if needed. then after forgelord is dead go to the portals and just break the portals because youre unkos. then kill the boss use some light burns here. then leave 1 group there send the dps from the generals group to the general and send the other 2 groups to t he forge and magma lord pull them both into the forge lords room get the 3 ghosts currently up to like 20% then when the acron boss from the portal respawns as a ghost he spawns at the top portal spot for some reason. the group there should start burning on him and when they reach 20% start balancing them down. once they die everyone run to the top of the wulthan house and burn that boss dead in less then 3 mins so the ghosts dont respawn. ignore his adds so you get him dead asap.

 

[isotopemodeller]

on that upcoming TBM golem encounter, how would you recommend rounding out a 12 man group based on my current setup?: SHD/SHM/BRD/ZERK/ROG/BST

guessing I want a cleric in there. and a second tank: maybe a warrior or pally? would you recommend a third healer and some spell dps? any info nice to have.. it may be my first toe-dip into 12-boxing. gonna make the second group now so its all well-geared by the time TBM opens

 

[fakename]

i ran it with clr shm shm brd brd bst ber ber mnk mnk shd shd. so i would round it out by making a tank clr brd dru or shm and 2 dps group. pld would be good esp if you plan to team up with others to do draco and hate pld is basically required for maestro and does good dmg to undead on draco and maestro. i used my shm to mostly dps with dots.

if you did go pally you could go pld dru enc wiz wiz wiz wizards are easy to automate in tbm and do absurd dmg. you can mana burn crit things for 60m easily. with mischief gear level their mana should be good to. or you could swap the wiz for mages or a mixture of them. casters tend to be cheaper to gear up from the baz to.

 

[isotopemodeller]

rolled a caster team of 6 in addition to my melee

man these TDS casters dont even touch the effectiveness of my melee dudes in group content. they don’t have full aa’s or tower gear yet but dang it’s not even half as fast.. still working on those aa's and gear though!

 

[fakename]

really? did you go wizard? because my clr brd enc sk wiz wiz group goes nuts in group content. they basically stand up hit all 3 aa nuke and use braid then ethereal fire and the mob is dead. i know mischief isnt in tbm yet and i didnt have my wizards until tbm on riz but the rotation should be braid > ethereal fire > dicho >vortex > ethereal ice > ethereal magic > while weaving the aa nukes when they come off cd. then when youre low on mana drop dicho ice and magic and use fire claw. maybe youre missing something in automation or maybe they dont get good until tbm. all i know is our raid droped necro because necro is hard to automate and wizard is easy and our raid dps visibily went up. although being limited to one mana burn /2mins has been annoying hopefully that goes away.

 

[durango773]

really? did you go wizard? because my clr brd enc sk wiz wiz group goes nuts in group content. they basically stand up hit all 3 aa nuke and use braid then ethereal fire and the mob is dead. i know mischief isnt in tbm yet and i didnt have my wizards until tbm on riz but the rotation should be braid > ethereal fire > dicho >vortex > ethereal ice > ethereal magic > while weaving the aa nukes when they come off cd. then when youre low on mana drop dicho ice and magic and use fire claw. maybe youre missing something in automation or maybe they dont get good until tbm. all i know is our raid droped necro because necro is hard to automate and wizard is easy and our raid dps visibily went up. although being limited to one mana burn /2mins has been annoying hopefully that goes away.

You give out so much bad information. They are way out of having dicho spells, or even modern wiz nukes. Also, dicho for wiz quit being useful after EoK (mana/dmg ratio on it is trash since it didnt get scaled). The 2 min limit on MB is 2 min OR 500 non life tap spells hit.... so in a modern raid, its maybe 20 sec? before you can cast a second one.

 

[fakename]

dicho is in tbm the raid im talking about is in tbm. and good to know about mana burn. i already persona'd my wiz back to nec though =x also that post was 20 days before mischief got tbm. nec seems to be doing better in tbl because of the much bigger hp pools then ros had.