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Frostreaver 2 groupable MOTM targets? (Frostreaver)
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Oh interesting! do the wurms gate on you at all?
I'm in the same boat. I was going to do Lord Bob in Velks, but he apparently doesn't spawn in a DZ. Kael Sentinels are one groupable, two groups makes it easier. Kill sentinels, go to a new pick, repeat.
Basically any blue con dragon in WW is killable, but wrecks faction if you care about that. They are fun to slaughter a couple times, and drop level 60 spells.
The planes for armor, specifically Plane of Growth (leave the naemd big tree alone, he silences the entire group, slow and painful death).
I think most epic mobs are doable, the dragons in Kunark would eat us though.
I think the sirens in deep Sirens Grotto would be a decent farm spot, but just that, more of a farm vs single boss target.
Coldain ring up to 9th doable easily, shawl up to 7 i think also.
I'm interested to see if there are others myself!
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We accidentally did phinny with about 10. People were so worried about the healing we just beat him down. Wtov trash will get you at least 4 primals/ancients and aton of plate from my experience there. Ikitar is a few groupable too. Plane of hate minis share loot with plane of fear minis i was able to get my ball of golem clay there after maestro.
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Based on official EQ discord frostreaver channel reports, primals are no longer dropping in wtov since patch
can confirm
how recent is this? i went the other night didn't get anything. (primals)
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I also came here with this question.
The minis in HoT are indeed two-groupable, fairly easy once they are slowed, but they can take up to 20 minutes to kill. We've killed about 10 with two groups and have seen the Vindi BP once so far and a small amount of PoG loot.
Is anyone doing Naggy/Vox with two groups currently (Velious on Frostreaver)? We have two bards, and I am wondering if this is within reach.
How many does Velketor take?
Are any of the mobs in NToV that are in Bucket 3 (Harla Dar's Bucket) doable with two groups? I have never done that content. The mobs I am referring to are:
Eashen of the Sky
Ikatier the Venom
Telkorenar
Lendiniara the Keeper
Also there is Gozzrem, not sure if all of these are NToV anyhow...
I assume Dain would be pretty difficult with two groups. We tried it in the past and it was an annoying fight to box. We couldn't get it.
I know Zlandicar is done with one group (there is a guide on youtube), but it must be challenging.
Sleeper's tomb? I've read of people doing this with around 3 groups. Maybe in Luclin-era it's two-groupable?
I've spoken to a boxer in the past who one-groups Dozekar in Luclin era. I don't think the average boxer could handle that.
People find ways to do Yelinak with a group or two. I tried it on a past server and couldn't get it down.
Any insights are much appreciated
The minis in HoT are indeed two-groupable, fairly easy once they are slowed, but they can take up to 20 minutes to kill. We've killed about 10 with two groups and have seen the Vindi BP once so far and a small amount of PoG loot.
Is anyone doing Naggy/Vox with two groups currently (Velious on Frostreaver)? We have two bards, and I am wondering if this is within reach.
How many does Velketor take?
Are any of the mobs in NToV that are in Bucket 3 (Harla Dar's Bucket) doable with two groups? I have never done that content. The mobs I am referring to are:
Eashen of the Sky
Ikatier the Venom
Telkorenar
Lendiniara the Keeper
Also there is Gozzrem, not sure if all of these are NToV anyhow...
I assume Dain would be pretty difficult with two groups. We tried it in the past and it was an annoying fight to box. We couldn't get it.
I know Zlandicar is done with one group (there is a guide on youtube), but it must be challenging.
Sleeper's tomb? I've read of people doing this with around 3 groups. Maybe in Luclin-era it's two-groupable?
I've spoken to a boxer in the past who one-groups Dozekar in Luclin era. I don't think the average boxer could handle that.
People find ways to do Yelinak with a group or two. I tried it on a past server and couldn't get it down.
Any insights are much appreciated
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The white/gray wurms gate (as well as complete heal), the red ones don't. Also some of the drakes gate, most don't.
You either need an enchanter to mana sieve or fight them at or near their spawn point, because you will get summoned. Use Theft of Thought to determine if the mob is a caster. It won't let you cast the spell if they don't have mana. If they are a caster, check what buffs the mob cast on themselves to determine if they are capable of gating.
I was farming for about 2 weeks and got 6-8. Haven't really been on there since the 18th? I would usually get 2 when they dropped here was a bow and mace. Then like 2 or 3 mobs later got 2 more that day was good.
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One other I was wondering how people fared with is Dracolich. I think they delayed the 2.0 fear release with this server, but I may be wrong. Is anyone doing 1.0 Draco with 1 to 2 groups?
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Our guild pulled him and we did downed him with 3 groups. I know thats not quite boxing, and that was a few weeks ago with mostly quest armor.
Not trying to necro this thread but just confirm several things and point people the right direction.
Harla Dar - seems to be the absolute best target for loot that is easily two groupable. I've gotten some awesome drops (and terrible ones - it's a big bucket)
Phinny - is one groupable, should be able to have 2 groups with separate lockouts every time. Becomes pointless to do it as water staff is the only valuable item. I've let a lot of backbones and wizard staves rot.
PoG - a mainstay. Vindi and Lodi loot off any named mob (Unicorn, Grahl, named Wolf and Bear, etc). Pretty much everything that doesn't give a lockout is doable easily. Might not be obvious but if you actually clear the zone, the level 65 wisps are trivial (sphere of whatever, and the other guy with a long all lower case name). keeper of the glades, treah, undogo, ancient totem, all easily doable and don't give mob specific lockouts. So you can do them every day. You can clear with one group, truly, but if you have enough extra characters to request DZs you can farm growth every single day. Just requires a lot of annoying inventory management trading off the one guy that requested the DZ to the crew farming that has the loot lockout already.
Fear golems are easy. If you care about that.
Zlandicar - I'm still working on this one, personally. I know this is actualy like 7-8 mannable but I'm just havin a rough time. Gotta get my setup in order and get better gear across some of my neglected boxes so they're able to resist stuff. Getting this done puts it right next to Harla as best targets.
I don't really know why people do HoT. Personal preference, I guess. I find it annoying and not worth it.
I feel like Nagafen is doable, but another "gotta get the setup right and resist gear"
I'm very curious about overlooked stuff. I feel like Koi`Doken or Sevalak (Vulak loot bucket) might be annoyingly doable? A lot of NToV dragons are slowable. So I'm starting to get curious. Though I am really assuming the high HP and ability to quad for up to 3k+ might make these more of 3-4 group territory unless you got a hella healing setup and can trivialize a half hour fight?
Harla Dar - seems to be the absolute best target for loot that is easily two groupable. I've gotten some awesome drops (and terrible ones - it's a big bucket)
Phinny - is one groupable, should be able to have 2 groups with separate lockouts every time. Becomes pointless to do it as water staff is the only valuable item. I've let a lot of backbones and wizard staves rot.
PoG - a mainstay. Vindi and Lodi loot off any named mob (Unicorn, Grahl, named Wolf and Bear, etc). Pretty much everything that doesn't give a lockout is doable easily. Might not be obvious but if you actually clear the zone, the level 65 wisps are trivial (sphere of whatever, and the other guy with a long all lower case name). keeper of the glades, treah, undogo, ancient totem, all easily doable and don't give mob specific lockouts. So you can do them every day. You can clear with one group, truly, but if you have enough extra characters to request DZs you can farm growth every single day. Just requires a lot of annoying inventory management trading off the one guy that requested the DZ to the crew farming that has the loot lockout already.
Fear golems are easy. If you care about that.
Zlandicar - I'm still working on this one, personally. I know this is actualy like 7-8 mannable but I'm just havin a rough time. Gotta get my setup in order and get better gear across some of my neglected boxes so they're able to resist stuff. Getting this done puts it right next to Harla as best targets.
I don't really know why people do HoT. Personal preference, I guess. I find it annoying and not worth it.
I feel like Nagafen is doable, but another "gotta get the setup right and resist gear"
I'm very curious about overlooked stuff. I feel like Koi`Doken or Sevalak (Vulak loot bucket) might be annoyingly doable? A lot of NToV dragons are slowable. So I'm starting to get curious. Though I am really assuming the high HP and ability to quad for up to 3k+ might make these more of 3-4 group territory unless you got a hella healing setup and can trivialize a half hour fight?
How does this work with lockouts? I thought killing any mob in th zone will give you a loot lockout for 6 days or whatever?
Yeah so here's the skinny. Going to be kind of long but I want to be very accurate.
Let's say you have 6 dudes that form up and do a DZ. They get the DZ (instant Replay timer of 20 hours or whatever). They zone in. They kill one mob, they get a loot lockout. After the replay timer expires, they can get another DZ right? But they can't loot anything in it because of the loot lockout.
However, in the grand scheme, the only thing that actually matters is that lockout TYPES match.
So now you got a 7th guy. 7th guy has no loot lockout. 7th guy groups with 5 of the other 6 that already have lockouts. Camp the 5 out, because all that matters when requesting DZs is that you have 6 - online or not. So 7th guy can request a DZ without errors. 7th guy gets a DZ now and is the only person in the DZ. He has only replay timer. You can now log the others back in but they are inert until you do one last thing:
7th guy has one other responsibility. He needs to be able to kill ONE mob by himself to get a loot lockout. He's actually allowed to loot, because it's a fresh lockout. The entire point here is that now his lockouts technically match everyone elses. He can then DZadd all the other 6. Everyone can zone in. You can kill shit. But the only person that can actualy loot is the 7th guy.
So now do that every day with guy #8, guy #9, guy #10. The gate here becomes the replay timer, and really however many guys you have that can solo a single mob to get the loot lockout so lockouts match to add everyone else to the DZ
The only thing that matters is that they can kill a single mob after zoning in to get lockout TYPES to match (timers are irrelevant).
The lockout TYPE thing is important when you consider bosses. Bosses give their own lockouts. So if you have Plane of Fear, for example, 6 guys that did Fright and Dread - they have their own lockouts right? You can't have a 7th guy request the DZ, go in and kill one mob, and then DZadd everyone else back in. Because everyone else has Fright and Dread lockouts ON TOP of the loot lockouts. So the 7th guy would actually need to be able to solo Fright and Dread to get the lockouts so he matches everyone else and can DZadd them.
This is why Growth with loot buckets is so valuable. You're not going to end up with additional lockouts to match. Just the general loot lockout from trash. All the main named you're killing do NOT have their own lockout. So you can basically 97% clear growth every single day if you have enough bodies. I dedicate a set of 5 guys to be the DZ requester and loot body once a week. Each of them have their specific day of the week where they are the DZ requester and looter. I have spreadsheets. It's kind of sad. Anyway...
I hope this makes sense. I think it's really important that everyone knows how this works because I really regret learning this late. I would have been doing this from day 1 had I known.
Let's say you have 6 dudes that form up and do a DZ. They get the DZ (instant Replay timer of 20 hours or whatever). They zone in. They kill one mob, they get a loot lockout. After the replay timer expires, they can get another DZ right? But they can't loot anything in it because of the loot lockout.
However, in the grand scheme, the only thing that actually matters is that lockout TYPES match.
So now you got a 7th guy. 7th guy has no loot lockout. 7th guy groups with 5 of the other 6 that already have lockouts. Camp the 5 out, because all that matters when requesting DZs is that you have 6 - online or not. So 7th guy can request a DZ without errors. 7th guy gets a DZ now and is the only person in the DZ. He has only replay timer. You can now log the others back in but they are inert until you do one last thing:
7th guy has one other responsibility. He needs to be able to kill ONE mob by himself to get a loot lockout. He's actually allowed to loot, because it's a fresh lockout. The entire point here is that now his lockouts technically match everyone elses. He can then DZadd all the other 6. Everyone can zone in. You can kill shit. But the only person that can actualy loot is the 7th guy.
So now do that every day with guy #8, guy #9, guy #10. The gate here becomes the replay timer, and really however many guys you have that can solo a single mob to get the loot lockout so lockouts match to add everyone else to the DZ
The only thing that matters is that they can kill a single mob after zoning in to get lockout TYPES to match (timers are irrelevant).
The lockout TYPE thing is important when you consider bosses. Bosses give their own lockouts. So if you have Plane of Fear, for example, 6 guys that did Fright and Dread - they have their own lockouts right? You can't have a 7th guy request the DZ, go in and kill one mob, and then DZadd everyone else back in. Because everyone else has Fright and Dread lockouts ON TOP of the loot lockouts. So the 7th guy would actually need to be able to solo Fright and Dread to get the lockouts so he matches everyone else and can DZadd them.
This is why Growth with loot buckets is so valuable. You're not going to end up with additional lockouts to match. Just the general loot lockout from trash. All the main named you're killing do NOT have their own lockout. So you can basically 97% clear growth every single day if you have enough bodies. I dedicate a set of 5 guys to be the DZ requester and loot body once a week. Each of them have their specific day of the week where they are the DZ requester and looter. I have spreadsheets. It's kind of sad. Anyway...
I hope this makes sense. I think it's really important that everyone knows how this works because I really regret learning this late. I would have been doing this from day 1 had I known.
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