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Problem - Why aren't my bard mezzes working?

Myysterio

Myysterio
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I am doing things like Velks HA and EW HA and while im doing them, the mobs are getting hit and not being mezzed and Im getting reports like my other toon's mounts are breaking mezzes albeit infrequently. My bard is 115, with max Mez AAs, and running rank 2 of the two mez songs. I've put the INI i am currently using in the comments below:

Note: I have set MezStopHPs= to all numbers between 0-100 and its not impacted anything.

Edit: I've seen reports of this happening since the last update, and I have had this happen as long as I have been running this INI on this bard.

[CODE lang="ini" title="Bard INI"][General]
KissAssistVer=11.005
TwistOn=1
TwistMed=11
TwistWhat=11 12 7 3 1 4
XTSlot=1
Role=Assist
CampRadius=30
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0
ChaseAssist=1n
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=20
MedStop=90
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1|97
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=1
IRCOn=0
CampfireOn=0
CharInfo=Bard|115|GOLD
DPSMeter=0
ScatterOn=0
GroupWatchCheck=FALSE
DanNetOn=0
DanNetDelay=20
DefaultUI=TRUE

[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
BuffsSize=16
Buffs1=Aura of Margidor|Aura
Buffs2=Zburator's Lively Crescendo
Buffs3=Rallying Call|managroup|30
Buffs4=Rallying Solo|end|29
Buffs5=Rallying Call|endgroup|30
Buffs6=Dissident Psalm|endgroup|55
Buffs7=Dissident Psalm|managroup|60
Buffs8=Summoned: Radiant Modulation Shard|Mana|80/10
Buffs9=Wand of Pelagic Transvergence|Mana|85/15
Buffs10=Selo's Sonata|Cond16
Buffs11=NULL
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=Scorpion's Agony XIX|Dual|Scorpion's Agony Poison XI|Me
Buffs14=Songblade of the Eternal|Dual|Symphony of Battle|Me
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=Emperor Ganak Familiar|Dual|Familiar: Emperor Ganak
Buffs18=Jann's Veil|Cond15
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=10
PowerSource=NULL

[Melee]
MeleeTwistOn=1
MeleeTwistWhat=1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12
AssistAt=99
MeleeOn=1
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll rear
UseMQ2Melee=1
FaceMobOn=1
AutoFireOn=0
TargetSwitchingOn=1

[Pull]
PullTwistOn=1
PullWith=Sonic Disturbance
PullMeleeStick=0
MaxRadius=250
MaxZRange=100
UseWayPointZ=0
PullWait=3
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=40
ChainPullPause=30|2
PullPause=30|2
PullLevel=100|114
PullArcWidth=0
PullRadiusToUse=90
PullRoleToggle=0

[AE]
AEOn=1
AESize=3
AERadius=50
AE1=Spire of the Minstrels|3
AE2=Dissident Psalm|4
AE3=NULL

[DPS]
DPSOn=2
DPSSize=24
DPSSkip=1
DPSInterval=2
DPS1=Blade of Vesagran|99|Cond9
DPS2=Funeral Dirge|99|Cond8
DPS3=Quick Time|99|Cond8
DPS4=Spire of the Minstrels|99|Cond18
DPS5=Flurry of Notes|99|Cond8
DPS6=Frenzied Kicks|99|Cond8
DPS7=Song of Stone|99|Cond8
DPS8=Vainglorious Shout|99|Cond8
DPS9=Dance of Blades|99|Cond8
DPS10=command:/stopdisc|99|Cond5
DPS11=Deftdance Discipline|100|Cond7
DPS12=command:/pet qswarm|99|Cond13
DPS13=Lyrical Prankster|99
DPS14=Bladed Song|99
DPS15=Fierce Eye|99|Cond10
DPS16=Cacophony|99|Mob
DPS17=Intimidation|99|Mash
DPS18=${InvSlot[Chest].Item.Name}|99|Cond1
DPS19=Dissident Psalm|99|Cond2
DPS20=Boastful Bellow|98|Cond3
DPS21=Vainglorious Shout|99|Cond14|Once
DPS22=Selo's Sonata|15
DPS23=Thousand Blades|99|Cond8
DPS24=Reflexive Rejoinder|99|Cond17
DPS25=Glyph of Destruction (115+)|99|Cond11
DebuffAllOn=0

[Aggro]
AggroOn=1
AggroSize=3
Aggro1=Fading Memories|80|>
Aggro2=Shield of Notes|90|>
Aggro3=Hymn of the Last Stand|95|>

[Mez]
MezOn=1
MezRadius=75
MezMinLevel=95
MezMaxLevel=118
MezStopHPs=0
MezSpell=Slumber of Zburator
MezAESpell=Wave of Sleep|3
MezDebuffOnResist=0
MezDebuffSpell=Your Debuff Spell

[Burn]
BurnSize=1
BurnAllNamed=0
Burn1=NULL
BurnText=Burn
UseTribute=0

[KConditions]
ConOn=1
CondSize=18
Cond1=${Target.Named} && !${Me.Song[${Spell[Dissident Psalm of Potential].RankName}].ID}
Cond2=${Target.Named} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Root].ID} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Third].ID} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Fifth].ID} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Octave].ID}
Cond3=${Target.Named} && ${Target.BuffsPopulated} && !${Target.Buff[Boastful Bellow].ID}
Cond4=${Me.PctMana} > 50
Cond5=${Me.ActiveDisc.ID} && ${Target.Named} && ${Me.ActiveDisc.Name.NotEqual[Thousand Blades]} && ${Me.CombatAbilityReady[Thousand Blades]}
Cond6=!${Target.Named}
Cond7=${Me.XTarget} > 0 && ${Me.CombatAbilityReady[Deftdance Discipline]} && ${Me.PctHPs} < 30
Cond8=${Target.Named} || ${Me.XTarget} > 3
Cond9=!${Me.Song[Fierce Eye].ID}
Cond10=!${Me.Song[Spirit of Vesagran].ID}
Cond11=${Target.Named} && ${Target.Level} > 115 && ${Me.AltAbilityReady[Glyph of Destruction (115+)]}
Cond12=!${Me.AltAbilityReady[Glyph of Destruction (100+)]} && ${AltAbility[Glyph of Destruction (100+)].CanTrain} && ${Me.AAPoints}>39
Cond13=${SpawnCount[${Me.Name}'s pet]} > 0
Cond14=${Me.PctEndurance}>30
Cond15=!${Me.Buff[Illusion Benefit Greater Jann].ID}
Cond16=!${Me.Buff[Selo's Accelerato].ID} && !${Me.Buff[Selo's Accelerando].ID}
Cond17=((${Group.Member[0].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[0].PctMana}< 60) || (${Group.Member[1].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[1].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[2].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[2].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[3].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[3].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[4].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[4].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[5].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[5].PctMana} < 60))
Cond18=${Me.XTarget} > 2 || ${Target.Named}


[SpellS]
MiscGem=7
MiscGemLW=0
MiscGemRemem=1
LoadSpellSet=2
SpellSetName=KissAssist
CastingInterruptOn=1
Gem1=Aria of Margidor
Gem2=Arcane Symphony
Gem3=Omorden's Spiteful Lyric
Gem4=Omorden's Song of Suffering
Gem5=Omorden's Insult
Gem6=War March of Radiwol
Gem7=Kellek's Spry Sonata
Gem8=Slumber of Zburator
Gem9=Wave of Sleep
Gem10=Zburator's Lively Crescendo
Gem11=Pulse of Vhal`Sera
Gem12=Dirge of Lost Horizons
Gem13=Dissident Psalm

[MySpells]
Gem1=Aria of Margidor
Gem2=Arcane Symphony
Gem3=Omorden's Spiteful Lyric
Gem4=Omorden's Song of Suffering
Gem5=Omorden's Insult
Gem6=War March of Radiwol
Gem7=Kellek's Spry Sonata
Gem8=Slumber of Zburator
Gem9=Wave of Sleep
Gem10=Zburator's Lively Crescendo
Gem11=Pulse of Vhal`Sera
Gem12=Dirge of Lost Horizons
Gem13=Dissident Psalm

[GMail]
GMailHelp=Events currently support - Dead,Drag,GM,Level,Named,Leftgroup,Tells
GMailOn=0
GMailSize=5
GMail1=NULL
GMail2=NULL
GMail3=NULL
GMail4=NULL
GMail5=NULL

[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=0
HealsSize=5
Heals1=NULL
Heals2=NULL
Heals3=NULL
Heals4=NULL
Heals5=NULL
XTarHeal=0
XTarHealList=Xtar slots here Example: 5|6|7
HealGroupPetsOn=0

[Cures]
CuresOn=0
CuresSize=5
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
Cures4=NULL
Cures5=NULL

[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=1
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=500
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0

[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

[/CODE]
 
Yea, just ignore the message about the Mount, it is the actual toon breaking the mez. What mobs are NOT getting mezed? I know the mez routine will skip trying to mez Giants.
 
Yea, just ignore the message about the Mount, it is the actual toon breaking the mez. What mobs are NOT getting mezed? I know the mez routine will skip trying to mez Giants.
The adds for the VELKS and EW HAs. There's no giants in those ones. Sometimes it doesn't even detect them even though they're right next to the bard. Sometimes the bard tries to mez them and breaks their own mez, mostly it's just not keeping mezzes on. All my characters have conditions to not nuke or dot mezzed mobs.
 
Last edited:
With sham check if you have languid bite enabled or not.
 
@Myysterio have you given KA 12 a try? Sounds like MQ2Twist may be causing the issue. Sounds like something that is in your twist list may be an AE or when your switching targets to refresh mez is hitting the mob. KA 12 improved Bards mezing.
 
@Myysterio have you given KA 12 a try? Sounds like MQ2Twist may be causing the issue. Sounds like something that is in your twist list may be an AE or when your switching targets to refresh mez is hitting the mob. KA 12 improved Bards mezing.

How do you upgrade? Isn't 12 in beta still?
 
Should change title to what is breaking my bard mezzes. I sometimes get "DPS" reports for various mounts, both War and rng INI's I have seen in the past use AE abilities, with no regard to mez (the one I remember 100% is hail and blizzard of arrows on rng). Had to go in and find them and turn them on, even setting USEAE=0 was still using the abilites. I wish i could remember war ability... =-(
 
Checked with my Bard mezzing today. He does fine.
A bards successful single target mezz needs 3 seconds, isn't it.
Btw: how could you manage to activate timestamp in MQ2-window, I was not able yet.
Would you mind to post just the block [mezz] of your INI so I can check it with mine?
My interpretation of your screenshot is, that your bard attempts to launch upto 3 mezzes per second.
That seems odd for me.
 
MezStopHPs=0 is out of the allowed range. This can cause any kind of effects.
A senseful value of this parameter is something between 80 and 95.
The idea of this parameter is to limit the amount of the attempts to a meaningful condition.
When mobs arrive in camp, their hp's are usually around 100(%)
If more than 1 mob is arriving the bard should attempt to mezz all but mt's target.
If the mezz fails for whatever reason (immunity, or some on is breaking continuously) the bard may stop further attempts once the mobs hp's get below the set threshold.
I set this parameter normally to 95.
 
MezStopHPs=0 is out of the allowed range. This can cause any kind of effects.
A senseful value of this parameter is something between 80 and 95.
The idea of this parameter is to limit the amount of the attempts to a meaningful condition.
When mobs arrive in camp, their hp's are usually around 100(%)
If more than 1 mob is arriving the bard should attempt to mezz all but mt's target.
If the mezz fails for whatever reason (immunity, or some on is breaking continuously) the bard may stop further attempts once the mobs hp's get below the set threshold.
I set this parameter normally to 95.

I took it off of 85 cause mobs were taking damage on velks HA for no really good reason. After some work I found bard was breaking its own mezzes with its AE nuke AA... but I still have the problem of the bard not mezzing stuff. I can watch it do things, it just will miss single mobs in groups and do weird stuff. I took Pets off the DPS and moved it to burns cause i rarely burn with bard and pets dont like warriors on my server.


INI:
[General]
KissAssistVer=12.001
TwistOn=1
TwistMed=11
TwistWhat=11 12 7 3 1 4
XTSlot=1
Role=Assist
CampRadius=90
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=20
MedStop=90
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1|97
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=1
IRCOn=0
CampfireOn=0
CharInfo=Bard|115|GOLD
DPSMeter=0
ScatterOn=0
GroupWatchCheck=FALSE
DanNetOn=0
DanNetDelay=20
DefaultUI=TRUE
CorpseRecoveryOn=0

[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
BuffsSize=16
Buffs1=Aura of Margidor|Aura
Buffs2=Zburator's Lively Crescendo
Buffs3=Rallying Call|managroup|30
Buffs4=Rallying Solo|end|29
Buffs5=Rallying Call|endgroup|30
Buffs6=Dissident Psalm|endgroup|55
Buffs7=Dissident Psalm|managroup|60
Buffs8=Summoned: Radiant Modulation Shard|Mana|80/10
Buffs9=Wand of Pelagic Transvergence|Mana|85/15
Buffs10=Selo's Sonata|Cond16
Buffs11=command:/pet swarm|99|cond6
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=Scorpion's Agony XIX|Dual|Scorpion's Agony Poison XI|Me
Buffs14=Songblade of the Eternal|Dual|Symphony of Battle|Me
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=Emperor Ganak Familiar|Dual|Familiar: Emperor Ganak
Buffs18=Jann's Veil|Cond15
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=10
PowerSource=NULL

[Melee]
MeleeTwistOn=1
MeleeTwistWhat=1 2 3 4 5 6 7 12
AssistAt=98
MeleeOn=1
MeleeDistance=35
StickHow=snaproll rear
UseMQ2Melee=0
FaceMobOn=1
AutoFireOn=0
TargetSwitchingOn=1

[Pull]
PullTwistOn=1
PullWith=Sonic Disturbance
PullMeleeStick=0
MaxRadius=250
MaxZRange=100
UseWayPointZ=0
PullWait=3
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=40
PullPause=30|2
PullLevel=100|114
PullArcWidth=0
PullRadiusToUse=90
PullRoleToggle=0
PullOnReturn=0

[AE]
AEOn=1
AESize=2
AERadius=50
AE1=Spire of the Minstrels|3
AE2=Dissident Psalm|4
AE3=Vainglorious Shout|99|Cond8

[DPS]
DPSOn=1
DPSSize=25
DPSSkip=1
DPSInterval=2
DPS1=The Lady's Entreaty|99|debuffall|tash|always
DPS2=Blade of Vesagran|99|Cond9
DPS3=Funeral Dirge|99|Cond8
DPS4=Quick Time|99|Cond8
DPS5=Spire of the Minstrels|99|Cond18
DPS6=Flurry of Notes|99|Cond8
DPS7=Frenzied Kicks|99|Cond8
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=Dance of Blades|99|Cond8
DPS11=command:/stopdisc|99|Cond5
DPS12=Deftdance Discipline|100|Cond7
DPS13=command:/pet qswarm|99|Cond13
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=Bladed Song|99
DPS16=Fierce Eye|99|Cond10
DPS17=Cacophony|99|Mob
DPS18=Intimidation|99|Mash
DPS19=${InvSlot[Chest].Item.Name}|99|Cond1
DPS20=Dissident Psalm|99|Cond2
DPS21=Boastful Bellow|98|Cond3
DPS22=NULL
DPS23=Selo's Sonata|15
DPS24=Thousand Blades|99|Cond8
DPS25=Reflexive Rejoinder|99|Cond17
DPS26=NULL
DPS27=Song of Stone|99|Cond8
DPS28=Lyrical Prankster|99

DebuffAllOn=0

[Aggro]
AggroOn=1
AggroSize=3
Aggro1=Fading Memories|80|>
Aggro2=Shield of Notes|90|>
Aggro3=Hymn of the Last Stand|95|>
Aggro2nd=0

[Mez]
MezOn=1
MezRadius=110
MezMinLevel=0
MezMaxLevel=118
MezStopHPs=10
MezSpell=Slumber of Zburator
MezAESpell=Wave of Sleep|2
MezDebuffOnResist=0
MezDebuffSpell=The Lady's Entreaty

[Burn]
BurnSize=1
BurnAllNamed=1
Burn1=Song of Stone|99
Burn2=Lyrical Prankster|99
BurnText=Burn
UseTribute=0

[KConditions]
ConOn=1
CondSize=18
Cond1=${Target.Named} && !${Me.Song[${Spell[Dissident Psalm of Potential].RankName}].ID}
Cond2=${Target.Named} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Root].ID} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Third].ID} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Fifth].ID} && !${Me.Song[Masterful Phrygian Octave].ID}
Cond3=${Target.Named} && ${Target.BuffsPopulated} && !${Target.Buff[Boastful Bellow].ID}
Cond4=${Me.PctMana} > 50
Cond5=${Me.ActiveDisc.ID} && ${Target.Named} && ${Me.ActiveDisc.Name.NotEqual[Thousand Blades]} && ${Me.CombatAbilityReady[Thousand Blades]}
Cond6=!${Target.Named}
Cond7=${Me.XTarget} > 0 && ${Me.CombatAbilityReady[Deftdance Discipline]} && ${Me.PctHPs} < 30
Cond8=${Target.Named} || ${Me.XTarget} > 3
Cond9=!${Me.Song[Fierce Eye].ID}
Cond10=!${Me.Song[Spirit of Vesagran].ID}
Cond11=${Target.Named} && ${Target.Level} > 115 && ${Me.AltAbilityReady[Glyph of Destruction (115+)]}
Cond12=!${Me.AltAbilityReady[Glyph of Destruction (100+)]} && ${AltAbility[Glyph of Destruction (100+)].CanTrain} && ${Me.AAPoints}>39
Cond13=${SpawnCount[${Me.Name}'s pet]} > 0
Cond14=${Me.PctEndurance}>30
Cond15=!${Me.Buff[Illusion Benefit Greater Jann].ID}
Cond16=!${Me.Buff[Selo's Accelerato].ID} && !${Me.Buff[Selo's Accelerando].ID}
Cond17=((${Group.Member[0].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[0].PctMana}< 60) || (${Group.Member[1].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[1].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[2].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[2].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[3].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[3].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[4].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[4].PctMana} < 60) || (${Group.Member[5].PctMana} > 1 && ${Group.Member[5].PctMana} < 60))
Cond18=${Me.XTarget} > 2 || ${Target.Named}


[SpellS]
MiscGem=7
MiscGemLW=0
MiscGemRemem=1
LoadSpellSet=2
SpellSetName=KissAssist
CastingInterruptOn=1
Gem1=Aria of Margidor
Gem2=Arcane Symphony
Gem3=Omorden's Spiteful Lyric
Gem4=Omorden's Song of Suffering
Gem5=Omorden's Insult
Gem6=War March of Radiwol
Gem7=Kellek's Spry Sonata
Gem8=Slumber of Zburator
Gem9=Wave of Sleep
Gem10=Zburator's Lively Crescendo
Gem11=Pulse of Vhal`Sera
Gem12=Velketor's Psalm of Potency
Gem13=Dissident Psalm


[GMail]
GMailHelp=Events currently support - Dead,Drag,GM,Level,Named,Leftgroup,Tells
GMailOn=0
GMailSize=5
GMail1=NULL
GMail2=NULL
GMail3=NULL
GMail4=NULL
GMail5=NULL

[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=0
HealsSize=5
Heals1=NULL
Heals2=NULL
Heals3=NULL
Heals4=NULL
Heals5=NULL
XTarHeal=0
XTarHealList=Xtar slots here Example: 5|6|7
HealGroupPetsOn=0
AutoRezOn=0
RezMeLast=0

[Cures]
CuresOn=0
CuresSize=5
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
Cures4=NULL
Cures5=NULL

[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=1
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=500
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0

[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92
 
I took it off of 85 cause mobs were taking damage on velks HA for no really good reason. After some work I found bard was breaking its own mezzes with its AE nuke AA... but I still have the problem of the bard not mezzing stuff. I can watch it do things, it just will miss single mobs in groups and do weird stuff. I took Pets off the DPS and moved it to burns cause i rarely burn with bard and pets dont like warriors on my server.

Your Mez section looks almost the same as my bard. And my 115 bard mezzes like a champ using KA beta 12.001.001.

Three things I noticed in your INI file. I'm not sure if these could cause your problem with mezzing but I thought I'd point them out...

1 You're using the "Always" tag for tashing in your DPS section. This might be keeping the macro in the DPS section too long.
2. You're using a CastingInterruptOn=1 in your Spells section. I use "28" on my bard.
3. You have an extra line feed in at the bottom of your DPS section.

One way to narrow down the problem might be to turn off Melee, DPS, and Buffs and see if the bard will mez. Then enable the sections one at a time and see when the problem comes back. Then within the problem section disable one thing at a time until you find what's interfering with Mez.
 
Your Mez section looks almost the same as my bard. And my 115 bard mezzes like a champ using KA beta 12.001.001.

Three things I noticed in your INI file. I'm not sure if these could cause your problem with mezzing but I thought I'd point them out...

1 You're using the "Always" tag for tashing in your DPS section. This might be keeping the macro in the DPS section too long.
2. You're using a CastingInterruptOn=1 in your Spells section. I use "28" on my bard.
3. You have an extra line feed in at the bottom of your DPS section.

One way to narrow down the problem might be to turn off Melee, DPS, and Buffs and see if the bard will mez. Then enable the sections one at a time and see when the problem comes back. Then within the problem section disable one thing at a time until you find what's interfering with Mez.

Can you explain your choice of 28? wouldnt that be interrupt everything other than buffs?
 
Problem - Why aren't my bard mezzes working?

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