Question - Melee DPS - Box Group Addition

[jhop32]

A question for the group...

I am looking to add a melee DPS toon to my box group. The "role" for this addition is conditional. I am seeing a few missions in TBM, for example, that require melee DPS to move through smoothly. A few of these missions are a struggle with my normal line up (War/Clr/Dru/Enc/Mag/Wiz) but by swapping out the druid for a melee DPS guildmate the mission was a non-event.

That in mind I am looking to add a melee DPS toon to my box set. I would not treat this toon as a primary box member, but I don't mind at all dedicating some time to take a heroic character up to 105 - max AA with TBM group gear.

Given this circumstance, what would YOUR suggestion be for an additional box group "asset". Ideally, I would like a toon on the lower end of the AA scale that also exhibits high DPS AND the ease of scripting via macro like KissAssist.

If its applicable, I do have a bard "toy" that I am working on. Currently 99, but really the bard is more of a "toy" than a serious asset at this point. The enchanter is actually my "main" - but 97% of group content is a boxed asset. I tend to run this group from my warrior.

Thanks for your time and attention!

 

[Dretski]

I run warrior, bard, chanter, mage, wiz and cleric regularly, with interchangable bestlord and druid. I never really have any problems.

 

[eqgeek]

I would suggest a rogue or monk. A rogue requires very little to make it do good DPS. A friend just said yesterday that her rogue that she PL up to 90 then barely geared or touched was backstabbing for 250k.

 

[Rustycat]

If you're willing to set up the INI (which isn't really hard), i'd suggest the BST. Reason is dps with it and it's pet is good but also because a BST can give you makeshift buffs for your group in place of shammy and pally buffs plus the mana/hps regen that stacks with everything. More HPS and less med time.

 

[Inkie]

the rogue could be a very handy tool...
get a rez token from loyalist, kill the mage, Shroud of Stealth and drag the mage to camp, rez and coth the group to your camp...

A ranger or BST could be a good tool to send off farming pp or etc. when not being used...

a monk / zerker might be quick to gear up as they seem uncommon and could likely farm lower tier stuff relatively well solo/molo...

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may or may not matter but if I remember right, halflings and rogues get exp bonuses, could shorten the path to getting him up to speed.

 

[Dretski]

BST is killer. Monks kinda suck even in raid gear unfortunately (although I'll happily be proven wrong).

 

[Rustycat]

I don't know that monks "suck" but I have yet to find anything I would do with a monk that I couldn't pull of differently with a bard easier unfortunately.

 

[toots]

One of my monk rides at a pretty constant 40k dps, run completely off mq2melee and kiss, with no special gear. Thats not too bad for hardly any attention paid.

 

[jhop32]

Thanks for all the comments thus far.

The 40k dps on the monk sounds interesting. Anyone know off the top of their heads what other classes hit in a group macro setting. Particularly interested in bard/bst/rog/rng

 

[toots]

Bard is a joke for dps...
Max as bst (t1 tds gear) hit 35k pretty constantly.
Ranger was in the same ballpark

Would be interested to hear some ROG/ber numbers.

 

[underdog]

Rogue

 

[saar]

my ber is raid geared but no disc just swinging, volley, axe of rallos i pull 40kish with nothing going, now burning depending on stuff i can reach 100k at min.
i have 2 rogues, one at max aa and one at 1k aa and the max aa rogue using the 100 kiss ini and melee ini pulls about 28k no epic though, lower aa rogue is about 12k non burn 25k burning at lvl 96. now my ber and max aa rogue are lvl 100 and with decap and assasinate parses go all over. but i dont run a melee friendly grp ie not much synergy. raid monks can burn the shit outta mobs, if they are at the keyboards

 

[Warl0ck45]

sorta depends on what else ya plant o do with the extra toon there.

Rogue/Ranger/Zerker all put out some decent melee DPS in their own right, and all have some excellent instakill lowbie stuff, for speeding up farming.

Monk is a decent DPS with some tricks

BL bring you extra buffage and decent DPS

what it boils down to is how much time you want to sink into the toon to get it set up for a decent amount of DPS. Personally I think Rogues are the easiest to put into play, and BL the hardest. But it really amounts to they all will get the job done to one degree.. so which one would you be happy with after sinking enough time into making it.

 

[Razkle]

My beast beats my rogue in regular kiss content.... I love the beast!

 

[Akatora]

My beast beats my rogue in regular kiss content.... I love the beast!

threadjack can you share your ini for the bst?

also ive been trying to test out characters I have all melee characters at 105 now, including most casters too.. I box 18 characters, 5 are 102 now and the rest are 105

my rogue and berserker battle for top dps in the melee section, monk follows up even lower than that..


this is over an 18 hour period

Combined: A turtle on 2/3/2016 in 65529sec


Rogue
--- DMG: 1484464792 @ 22654 sdps (22655 dps in 65525s) [15.88%]
------ Rogue:
--------- Total: 1472272547 -- Backstab: 827940763 -- Pierce: 580368445 -- DirDmg: 31249934 -- DoT: 26805867 -- Hit: 5907538
--------- Normal rate: 77.3% (58.4% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 22.7% (41.6% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 205336 -- Hits: 205336 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Rogue`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 12192245 -- Pierce: 10093711 -- Backstab: 2098534
--------- Normal rate: 100% (100% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 12427 -- Hits: 12427 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 320138 @6dps

Berserker
--- DMG: 1368160803 @ 20879 sdps (20880 dps in 65525s) [14.64%]
------ Total: 1368160803 -- Slash: 786374187 -- DirDmg: 290778192 -- Hit: 147187759 -- Frenzy: 118456822 -- Kick: 22750680 -- DoT: 2613163
------ Normal rate: 52.5% (37.3% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 47.5% (62.7% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 165364 -- Hits: 165364 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 180575 @9dps

Monk
--- DMG: 1145613053 @ 17483 sdps (17484 dps in 65525s) [12.25%]
------ Monk:
--------- Total: 1094246820 -- Punch: 757723944 -- Kick: 243694292 -- Strike: 68997313 -- DirDmg: 23831271
--------- Normal rate: 79.6% (65% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 20.4% (35% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 325057 -- Hits: 325057 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Monk`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 51366233 -- Hit: 49486672 -- Kick: 1879073 -- WildRamp: 488
--------- Normal rate: 100% (100% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 100126 -- Hits: 100126 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 442193 @8dps

Wizard
--- DMG: 1041888413 @ 15900 sdps (15901 dps in 65525s) [11.15%]
------ Total: 1041888413 -- DirDmg: 1041009863 -- DoT: 878550
------ Normal rate: 67.2% (28.8% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 32.8% (71.2% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 13414 -- Hits: 13414 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 296542 @6dps

ShadowKnight
--- DMG: 994056301 @ 15170 sdps (15170 dps in 65529s) [10.63%]
------ ShadowKnight:
--------- Total: 990081115 -- Slash: 731779995 -- DirDmg: 180055111 -- Environmental: 46427319 -- Bash: 27659533 -- DoT: 4159157
--------- Normal rate: 80.1% (50% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 19.9% (50% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 203609 -- Hits: 175409 -- Misses: 25736 -- Defended: 2464 -- Accuracy: 87.2%
------ ShadowKnight`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 3975186 -- Slash: 2439476 -- Hit: 1416285 -- Bash: 74668 -- Kick: 44757
--------- Normal rate: 79.4% (70.6% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 20.6% (29.4% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 6742 -- Hits: 6742 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 101976397 @1556dps
--- Special: X

Bard
--- DMG: 564499955 @ 8615 sdps (8615 dps in 65525s) [6.04%]
------ Bard:
--------- Total: 564132146 -- Slash: 414091595 -- Kick: 106489912 -- DirDmg: 43550639
--------- Normal rate: 77% (52.5% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 23% (47.5% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 188367 -- Hits: 188367 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Bard`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 367809 -- Hit: 341830 -- Bash: 25979
--------- Normal rate: 100% (100% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 3612 -- Hits: 3612 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 1898039 @29dps

Beastlord
--- DMG: 498819157 @ 7612 sdps (7613 dps in 65526s) [5.34%]
------ Total: 498819157 -- Punch: 289959520 -- DirDmg: 175305605 -- DoT: 28824200 -- Kick: 4729832
------ Normal rate: 82.5% (61.1% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 17.5% (38.9% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 122362 -- Hits: 122362 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%

Ranger
--- DMG: 453822493 @ 6926 sdps (6926 dps in 65527s) [4.85%]
------ Ranger:
--------- Total: 453664253 -- Hit: 346198175 -- Pierce: 39840263 -- DirDmg: 27663466 -- Crush: 24052377 -- Kick: 8401573 -- DoT: 7072438 -- Slash: 435961
--------- Normal rate: 71.1% (38.6% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 28.9% (61.4% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 88779 -- Hits: 88779 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Ranger`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 158240 -- Bite: 143677 -- Kick: 14563
--------- Normal rate: 100% (100% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 797 -- Hits: 797 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 15442 @1dps

Unknown Class
--- DMG: 442534835 @ 6753 sdps (6755 dps in 65511s) [4.73%]
------ Total: 442534835 -- DirDmg: 442123835 -- DoT: 411000
------ Normal rate: 67.9% (35.1% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 32.1% (64.9% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 13670 -- Hits: 13670 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 160263 @3dps

Magician
--- DMG: 377629405 @ 5763 sdps (5763 dps in 65525s) [4.04%]
------ Magician:
--------- Total: 355696848 -- DirDmg: 355696848
--------- Normal rate: 53.1% (27% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 46.9% (73% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 18392 -- Hits: 18392 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Magician`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 21932557 -- Slash: 21487436 -- Bash: 285441 -- Kick: 159680
--------- Normal rate: 66.4% (57.4% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 33.6% (42.6% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 11927 -- Hits: 11927 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 81695 @2dps

Paladin
--- DMG: 311300610 @ 4751 sdps (4751 dps in 65526s) [3.33%]
------ Total: 311300610 -- Slash: 184922568 -- DirDmg: 116596038 -- Bash: 9782004
------ Normal rate: 75.7% (47.9% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 24.3% (52.1% of DMG)
------ Attempts: 56666 -- Hits: 56666 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 63194 @1dps


Warrior
--- DMG: 139620080 @ 2131 sdps (2131 dps in 65522s) [1.49%]
------ Warrior:
--------- Total: 139573494 -- Slash: 127812468 -- Bash: 5711581 -- Kick: 3394473 -- DirDmg: 2654972
--------- Normal rate: 69.5% (41.6% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 30.5% (58.4% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 38959 -- Hits: 38959 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Warrior`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 46586 -- Slash: 26418 -- Bash: 20168
--------- Normal rate: 100% (100% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 744 -- Hits: 744 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 2255921 @35dps

Enchanter
--- DMG: 108250088 @ 1652 sdps (1653 dps in 65500s) [1.16%]
------ Enchanter:
--------- Total: 108223607 -- DirDmg: 107652673 -- DoT: 570934
--------- Normal rate: 49.6% (16.9% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 50.4% (83.1% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 1385 -- Hits: 1385 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
------ Enchanter`s swarm pet:
--------- Total: 26481 -- Crush: 13814 -- Bash: 7246 -- Pierce: 2961 -- Hit: 2460
--------- Normal rate: 95.4% (92.7% of DMG) -- Critical rate: 4.6% (7.3% of DMG)
--------- Attempts: 324 -- Hits: 324 -- Misses: 0 -- Defended: 0 -- Accuracy: 100%
--- DMG to PC: 970746 @16dps

 

[eqgeek]

My beast beats my rogue in regular kiss content.... I love the beast!

I know nothing about the BL except most of them are big cats who have a pet, can slow, and give some mana regen buff. I think we do need a beastlord new thread discussion with your INI and such.

For the record, I could never do the Brother's island mission where you kill all the sirens and get timed trial until I did it with Rogue/rogue/Rogue/monk/enchanter/ranger. All of those were real people playing, not kiss. Personally kiss could probably top their dps for them by hitting all the right buttons. All that to say that the rogues were impressive.... but maybe the headshot/assn was the key?

 

[Razkle]

I cannot share my BL one as it is not mine, a friend shared it with me and it seriously rocks! I will ask him if he minds sharing it....

 

[judd1720]

It looks close....but if you had phantom assailant (zerker pet) you would top the rogue.....

 

[Marnan]

My Berzerker puts out insane damage. I have two max AA, well-geared wizards and he blows them away on sustained damage. On named mobs, it's much closer and the wizards usually top him slightly. To put it in perspective, the Wizards usually pump out 75K dps against trash, when my zerker drops below 100K dps (he's often in the 120K dps range), I worry about him. Mind you, I hold nothing back on the zerker or the wizards. I save nothing for nameds, so buttons on the zerker are always down waiting to come back up.

To give a real world example, on Grummus! he did 433K (385K scaled) against Qezzan Adan. Against Varnor Clegg is was 160K (112K scaled). I LOVE my wizards. But right now, zerkers got a lot of love in this last expansion. I bot all of my toons though, so if you're actually playing the zerker or wizard, your milage may vary.

 

[Akatora]

It looks close....but if you had phantom assailant (zerker pet) you would top the rogue.....

ill go get it and test it out, how often should I have it use that ability? im using kiss only and no idea how to write up holys/shits