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News - EverQuest Legends Consolidated Thread (4 Viewers)
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you know if you consider what everything cost in 1999 to what it cost today MMO subscriptions really havent gone up at the same rate. Whats $10 one less starbucks a month ?
Had a great time playing this so far in beta. Still playing EQ Live so not going as hard as i'd like until the official release. If i get 2-3 months out of it i'll be happy. This will keep me entertained until its almost time for beta of the next EQ expansion. Then i'll jump back to Legends when Kunark comes out
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1. Grimmier has that.
2. Kaen/Sic and Grim's
3. Brainiac or Knightly plugin for EMU (live has it now right?)
5. RF has it.
6. I do like this idea as a choice
7. MQ
8. Hahaha.
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I logged into EQL and I was shocked and what I saw, which I thought would be impossible to do in Everquest.
1) Floating damage - What! How come! I know people will say, "Well in Live EQ its just too much text" You could just have an option to sum the entire round into 1 number, just show the total for each combat round etc, there are ways to reduce spam. The fact they did it, crazy!
2) Built in Modern UI frame options - WHA?!? Why not us?!?!
3) Old Models can ride horses - WHA? I thought they said we just can't they don't have enough skeletons in the model - Well apparently you can add skeletons to a model?!?! I prefer old models to the luclin models, the problem is old models on Live look stupid on mounts, their helmets don't stay on, the robes just vanish, but I guess in EQL those things are not issues?!!?
4) Rituals - There was a thread about what benefits a persona should provide if you level one up. Well, EQL figured it out, Rituals. Long term buffs or some ports, maybe stuff like Invis and lev, etc.
5) Pet inventory - OH MY GOD, a pet inventory window, which I think EQ said was impossible at some point
6) Dungeon difficulty and increased EXP - Wow
7) The color of the mob's name matches the consider
8) The MAP - It has multiple layouts and can function like a minimap and tracking shows up on the map!!!!
I can go on and on, but it's insane what that team does. But hey, our team got us 2 extra shared bank account slots - so yah.
They are going to get new items new spells everything. We get the same items, same spells and same AA's every expansion. There hasn't been a real effort into putting together an expansion since the burning lands. They just rely on the art time to try and make everything look as nice as the code will allow and everyone else works in the copy and paste department1. Grimmier has that.
2. Kaen/Sic and Grim's
3. Brainiac or Knightly plugin for EMU (live has it now right?)
5. RF has it.
6. I do like this idea as a choice
7. MQ
8. Hahaha.
Whats one less trip to the gas station, or even one less milk (or beer) a month. That is not what I see. Most of us here wouldn't even batt an eye at $10 for what we have spent on EQ. New content, price of having 6 or more accounts, what's $10 dollars more or less. (Flashes a few Hamiltons as well as some Jacksons and maybe throw in a few Lincolns) My point is why spend the cash on content that is already in use and how come they can't add this stuff to what is alread there.
If we don't play on EQL then it might fade away and all that new stuff will hit EQ. Think about it this way, if EQL is so wonderful and has all the new bells and whistle and they keep adding new content (that You have to pay for) what is going to happen to EQ. No more new stuff, no more bug fixes, and folks leaving so its not making any money for them.
So it comes down to this : 1. Stay with EQ and bug them about adding new stuff. 2. (got to have a 2 if you have a 1) Forget EQ and jump feet first into EQL. 3. Try to play both.
Zeb
I don't really care about EQL, didn't really try THJ. I've seen enough of it though to know it's not really my cup of tea. I think a lot of people will enjoy it in the short term. May even be several years of EQL and hype. But let's be honest, original EQ has survived through WoW, all the new mmo releases that are super hyped up where everyone's got the new car smell, EQ still standing, pumping sales, people coming back to it on and off yada yada. So I don't think this is going to be any different. It'll probably just be an addition to the game, some people can fully casualize out on it and have a great time. Other people will retain on regular EQ after that new car smell wears off. That seems to be the typical cycle that goes on.
There's always a new sky is falling moment for EQ that comes and goes. Last I checked the sky is still up there :P. Aside from that though, I'm sure it'll be a solid addition to their portfolio. Believe it or not EQ2 still has a player base that people fuck with heavily. I got a few friends over there it's pretty surprising. Never once did I touch it lol
There's always a new sky is falling moment for EQ that comes and goes. Last I checked the sky is still up there :P. Aside from that though, I'm sure it'll be a solid addition to their portfolio. Believe it or not EQ2 still has a player base that people fuck with heavily. I got a few friends over there it's pretty surprising. Never once did I touch it lol
Shaman pet is decent compared to live, it was nice to have up as extra DPS and pets in EQL cast class specific spells (Harm touch, Slow, Dots, etc).
One problem is the max level pet likes to cast the lowest dot sometimes which is kind of annoying. They also pull threat very easily. I struggled in the hole pulling 2+ mobs without the pet just getting instant aggro and dying. Nice for solo kills for sure.
Thank you.
I heard through discord that these being tradable was actually an oversight and they will be no trade when game launches. Somehow no economy got even worse.
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I don’t get why they thought imposing zero economy on everyone was a good idea. Optional SSF mode would have been way better, but gotta fight that RMT boogie man I guess.
That's a shame, I was only back to EQ waiting for Legends to start...
Was hoping this would be available for Legends, as i think its subscription base is far higher than regular EQ subscriptions now.... The had over 70k Beta subscriptions, and i'm sure that will go far higher in regular release.
EQ currently holds only around 64-66k paid subscribers, and i expect that will drop precipitously this month, with a lot of people moving to Legends exclusively.
What you are saying is EQ just killed itself for a clone like version of itself. Legends beta is nothing about how the version will hold itself even 1 month after release. The concept of EQ players excited for something new, I can understand, but to drop EQ for a potential easier (in a way of playing) and still not fully known pay to win little odds and ends would not retain players. EQ, while not as powerful as they once were, has survived 2 decades of of competition in their arena and still standing. Legends is not yet known to hold sway, for those excited for it, I truly hope the best.
Would like to know where these counts came from? All I could find was half that for beta and those were all given away and never have know EQ to release how many paid subscribers they have.
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Saw a youtube with real numbers. Dunno where the numbers come from and how accurate they are, but tldr, Legends did not cannibalize Live, TLP, or EMU players. It appears to have sucked some older players back into the ecosystem. Maybe Daybreak can have it's cake and eat it too?!? Again, I know nothing concrete, just a video on the tube.
many folks are of the opinion that legends is a "cool to check out for a short-term, but not a good daily driver".
eq1 folks like eq1 and even if they go check out other things many of them come back / stick around.
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I see no evidence of any of those numbers. I would love to see the raw data. The only actual data I can find is from MMO Populations website. EQ has an abysmal peak daily concurrent user data line of 4,762 over the last 30 days.
If you are taking youtuber "data" on account numbers as fact that is just obtuse.
If you are taking youtuber "data" on account numbers as fact that is just obtuse.
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So what you're sayin is, botters are keeping the lights on.
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Well they aren't paying the bills with concurrent users. EQ is known to make its money off new expansion purchases, cash shop purchases(DB CASH), and krono purchases/subs.
I did find that there was an EG7 report that stated subscription/registered account numbers and I am guessing that is what people are referencing in youtube videos but that data is many years old now (2020).
I did find that there was an EG7 report that stated subscription/registered account numbers and I am guessing that is what people are referencing in youtube videos but that data is many years old now (2020).
The 40K figures you are seeing were published in April, the EQL Discord had over 80k users on beta opening day, so i'm saying 70k to be safe, figure is probably higher.
I'm rooting for that. I actually think EQL will bring *additional* people to live, so nlwin win win
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Having had a beta account for Legends for a while I will chime in quickly. Its fun, its fun in a way that takes less time than getting 6-12 characters on, finding a camp and spending hours farming something. I really like that game play loop still, but this is a "I have 2 hours, and want to murder a thousand frogloks, and almost guarantee I get something to upgrade something I am using" way. The whole vibe is a lot different. I agree 100% with what Sic said
My other 2 cents is that you have to remember its a community manager from Daybreak and infrastructure support from Daybreak. The dev team is Game Jawn, theres a decent chance they are not sharing a ton of code back to Live. Some maybe, but who knows. I didn't get offered to read their contract, I just would not count on it.
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Its not a game I would ever consider not playing EQ1 for, not the way TLPs pulled me away from live. BUT its a pleasant change.
My other 2 cents is that you have to remember its a community manager from Daybreak and infrastructure support from Daybreak. The dev team is Game Jawn, theres a decent chance they are not sharing a ton of code back to Live. Some maybe, but who knows. I didn't get offered to read their contract, I just would not count on it.
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^ Pretty much what I've heard from friends and other people that played EQ long term. I think the new generation of players will like EQL and net new players in general. But personally, from the tenure I've seen in EQ this entire time and how many people bet against it when those "sky's falling" moments hit, I'd never bet against EQ live long term. I'm not like pro daybreaks stance they've taken in the last several years, but I recognize the strength as a person who deals with customers and players on a day to day basis. Let me just say this, the addiction isn't any less strong than it's ever been. It's mainly just a vocal minority thing that makes it seem that way.
EQL will be a hit in it's own way, live will still be popping tlps etc.
EQL will be a hit in it's own way, live will still be popping tlps etc.
I would bet my house the live team has full access to anything they're doing. Daybreak gave them the current build of the game and host everything related to it from accounts, servers, payment processing, etc.
The build they're using is very recent.
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While i am not a fan of EQL in general if this helps to get emulators to where they are able to use current builds then by all means.....
