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Question - Bard vs Enchanter (1 Viewer)

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Maybe im the only one who still splits pulls up, but one thing i see most people leaving out of the equation is the pulling abilities of bards. its always my 2nd slot in the team in case i need to split a pull or something, but i guess with the enchanter you likely just dont bother. If you're doing content thats tough for your group though it can be very useful. bards just super quick to split and pull. if im really trying to push exp i can manually pilot the bard and chain pull very effectively, while also maintaining alot of the buffs on the group still. definitely an improvement over having my SK pull. quicker pulls can mean more dps across your whole session
 
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For what its worth, a KA bard is perfectly fine with crowd control in current content. I survived an 11 mob pull in current content at 120 just the other day. Did the bard have every single mob locked down 100% of the time? No. Did I have to burn some defensives on my SK to survive? Yes. But the point is, I survived an 11 mob pull, in current content, at 120, with a mostly group geared tank. An ENC may be "better" but that's good enough for me.

Edit: I can see with a warrior or Paladin who don't have some of the AE tools the SK does, where an ENC might be better on a stupid pull like that.
 
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If you don't have a bard, who are you going to blame all your fuck ups on? "Rock the fuck out of those drums Dale"

It's been overstated here but Bards give you literally everything.

An actual image of a party with an enchanter and not a bard.
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An image of a party that has a bard.
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Don't be the group getting sick from Clarity addiction.
 
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If you weren't running two mages I'd say Enchanter. Bard adds so much more to the Mage swarm and pets it's worth it just for that.

Swarm pets + bard aura is great. Stuff like quick time and epic clicks hit them too I believe.
 
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Until recently I was an Ench disciple. When you are doing content slightly above your skill and equipment level, nothing beats lock-down enchanter skills. That being said, bard brings so many other intangibles people have already mentioned. Bard overhaste stacks on pets, epic focus is killer, tracking, double invisible, selos, etc. In my group (which is similar to yours) I see a 50k dps increase just by swapping in a bard.
 
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Cildye said:
Until recently I was an Ench disciple. When you are doing content slightly above your skill and equipment level, nothing beats lock-down enchanter skills. That being said, bard brings so many other intangibles people have already mentioned. Bard overhaste stacks on pets, epic focus is killer, tracking, double invisible, selos, etc. In my group (which is similar to yours) I see a 50k dps increase just by swapping in a bard.
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Tracking you say? I thought most of us already have that ;)
 
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I'd say from a pure DPS standpoint, it's actually pretty close between the two, because there's no necros (who benefit hugely from Aria and would skew the group towards bard without question).

Bard will probably add more overall thanks to the constant crit chance boosting from Fierce Eye/Epic, quick time, and the aura for swarm pets. With no Necros in the group, Aria isn't quite as impactful as usual. Aria doesn't matter at all for wizard because of improved familiar. Aria matters somewhat for the mage, but they'll have the same SPA in a stronger form for 6 out of 15 minutes with Heart of Skyfire, as well as Flames of Power and Elemental Form procs. Aria will matter a lot for Shaman DoTs.

Enchanter will be better for burns, thanks to Illusions of Granduer.
 
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Tried enchanter with my caster group (SK/Mag/Nec/Wiz/Enc/Clr).
After not needing any CC and noticing Enc dps was lacking, switched to bard and saw an increase in group overall dps so kept bard.

Bard always wins....
 
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Canddyman said:
Doing a caster group with a pally tank.
PAL/SHM/MAG/MAG/WIZ(BRD/ENC)
Which will help the group more? Priority is DPS then survivability.
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I have both a Bard and a Chanter. 99% of the time I use the Bard except for a unique CC situation and I port the Chanter in for buffs.

That being said, the nice thing with the chanter is the CWTN plugin for Chanter is fantastic. You are stuck using a macro on your Bard, which KA is just fine but not quite in the same league as CWTN.
 
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I use chanter because I like the cc lock down.

You can argue about which adds more dps in a caster group (its a close contest) but there is no argument about CC.

I rarely need the CC abilities of the enchanter but when i do there nobody else that is even close and its usually in the newest, hardest content. If all you're doing is exp grinding the dps difference isnt big enough to matter. My 2cp worth :)
 
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I use chanter because I like the cc lock down.

You can argue about which adds more dps in a caster group (its a close contest) but there is no argument about CC.

I rarely need the CC abilities of the enchanter but when i do there nobody else that is even close and its usually in the newest, hardest content. If all you're doing is exp grinding the dps difference isnt big enough to matter. My 2cp worth :)
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Facts. When it comes to lockdown CC nothing beats a chanter and the CWTN plugin does a good job there too. But, I have a very robust tank and in most cases want the Bards ADPS.
 
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mandolin playing GIF

I used to be firmly in the enc camp, but the bard brings so many extra little things to the table.
 
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I want my bard to be like Dee Snider. I am afraid he is more David Hasselhoff
 

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I generally go brd for melee groups, enc for caster groups. Do love the enc for CC. And moving generally isnt an issue. Have it set up where 1 click and enc cast invis and pally cast IVU. Do love the fact I can just use the pally to pull whatever I want and leave the enc to sort out the resulting train.
 
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This may be a bit late now but... That's a caster heavy group. I would go Chanter since:
1) Mez will last much longer
2) Chanter gives really nice crack, which decreases downtime by a lot.

The only thing that will break the deal is if it is really low level and the chanter does not really have the crack spell or the lower cooldown spell casting buffs yet.
 
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