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Bard or Shadow Knight? (1 Viewer)

hoosierbilly

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Just wondering what ya'll think: Bard or Shadow Knight

Which would be more fun to play? Why?

Which would be the better primary tank in a group? Why?

The rest of the group will likely include monk, mage, druid, shammy, & chanter in various combinations.
 
If you need a Tank, then Shadowknight all of the way. I played a Bard for years and trust me, they can't tank. Although, I did keep a set of those DoN Aggro Axes handy at all times in case all hell broke loose. =p
 
Non Raiding Sk is by far the best group tank for cleric mana efficiency and aggro. Once AA'd they are sic innate proc tappers. 12-14k exceptional heals from a proc never get old to see = win

Fun to play? I like the bard but I personally keep my sk my main. Instant FD and Invis amongs other things. One of the best epics in the game.

Bored? Want to do high risk /reward? Learn to swarm then hit Kaesora Library. Not to mention the best powerleveling class in the game hands down.

DPS wise they do alright.

Bards have a hard time holding aggro to be a main tank, wont be burning much. They are more of a support class/puller(probably the best puller in game) but I have no issues pulling with sk. 2 boxed all of HoT group progression for other people with just Sk/Bst.

My Sk has been my main since 2000 for many reasons. If you have specific class questions, please ask them.
 
/agree I have a bard and an SK. I am amazed how crappy my bard with 3500 k aa's tanks. SKs are stupid crazy on aggro too. No other class can out aggro them with the amount of spells they have.
 
non raid gear warrior 3500 AA can hold agro over my SK friend equally geared with 5000AA just all about how you play them :P
 
Warriors over an SK anytime in my opinion, sure sk's are more fun to play, but if you want the "optimal" tank its gotta be a warrior.

Warriors can out taunt an Sk any day in my opinion.
 
Warrior for Raiding - SK for Grouping

You want to live with a T5 merc healing you dont be a warrior.

Id like to contest that taunting opinion Abyss. With all the hate mods and spells Sk's get. I have been able to take aggro from every warrior I have been with, mind you this is a group scenario. Warriors with time to build aggro i.e. a Raid mob are the win but on typical mobs SK is instant.

Raiding as I stated is a whole different deal, there are alot of variables to consider when comparing them.
 
I am interested only in group situations.

Interesting, and thanks everyone for your input. I have found that the warrior can not maintain argo against the monk. The warrior can take argo but can NOT keep it. This is with the monk and warrior being near same level, AA's and equipment. Also I find the warrior can NOT handle the hits and damage anywhere near as good as the monk. Its my experience that warriors are seriously underpowered and die way to easy.

So how does shadowknight or bard stand up to a warrior?

Might just run with two monks...
 
What?? Can't hold agro against a monk? Man you, and nyghteyes must have some gimp warriors...
 
Abyss said:
What?? Can't hold agro against a monk? Man you, and nyghteyes must have some gimp warriors...
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Warrior and monk equally equiped (abtruse armor), same level (low 80's), runing macros (mine) to maximize abilities... warriors just can't compete with monk, sorry.

Maybe at yet higher levels warriors get better...
 
Maskoi said:
Do you have anger augs in your warrior's weapons?
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I can't remeber exactly... I think his primary weapon did but the secondary was stun... Monk has lifetaps.

I don't have access to the account at the moment...

The warrior has had trouble keeping argo away from monk since level 1...

It just really seems to me that the warrior is not well suited for his stated purpose. I am trying to decide what to replace the warrior with for my Red Planet group.
 
Night I will contest you on warrior vs sk taunt as I said my warrior will pull agro off of my sk friend when the sk has ovove1500 more aa then my warrior u can cast the hate taunt as much as you want with all of my aa taunts and hastenings for them the fact that my wep can proc 2 different hates spells and infusion of rage which is an innate warrior hate proc during battle I will strip any sk of agro plus if the sk drops there projection of hate warriors have projection of zek which we tested and conclude to out agro the sks... as far as a healer merc keeping you alive I do just fine level 93 warrior in all player made cultural no raid augs buffs to 76khp and 8453 ac in combat wood elf lol
 
Eh, maybe they are, I dont rely on them =p. Not saying I dont have to work to keep aggro but I definitely can take it from them if need be. I think there is a fine line with aggro between the 2 because of the roles each play in a raid situation.
Group situation I take the SK over any class as tank.

Tone, what server you on =p
 
a war can...and I will prove it to you. Wars have many discs and AAs to get agro no matter what....If you think other wise then you have no idea how to play the game...its all most as stupid as saying a War is not the best for tanking in game....you just need to delete your account now....
 
teichou said:
a war can...and I will prove it to you. Wars have many discs and AAs to get agro no matter what....If you think other wise then you have no idea how to play the game...its all most as stupid as saying a War is not the best for tanking in game....you just need to delete your account now....
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Is tanking suppose to include dying a lot?

Tanks are no good if they can't stand there and take the hits. Monk does much better job staying alive. I want to know if the shadowknight or bard can better take the hits. I very much doubt either will be able to keep argo off the monk.
 
Toneman07 said:
Night I will contest you on warrior vs sk taunt as I said my warrior will pull agro off of my sk friend when the sk has ovove1500 more aa then my warrior u can cast the hate taunt as much as you want with all of my aa taunts and hastenings for them the fact that my wep can proc 2 different hates spells and infusion of rage which is an innate warrior hate proc during battle I will strip any sk of agro plus if the sk drops there projection of hate warriors have projection of zek which we tested and conclude to out agro the sks... as far as a healer merc keeping you alive I do just fine level 93 warrior in all player made cultural no raid augs buffs to 76khp and 8453 ac in combat wood elf lol
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Thats how you play a warrior.... Sk's over a warrior? Laughable.... Maybe back in 1999 they had a chance, but now not even close. Why did verant/soe give SK's a lifetap ability is because they are panzy's, they get slapped around too much... If your a real man go warrior! Don't pick a poor substitute!

Now if we are talking PVP or something, then SK would be the logical choice, well maybe.. A good warrior vs a good SK would be a tough fight.

Look at it this way, I wouldn't play a class where your "supposed" to be a plate class, and can Feign Death.. Thats just gay. Wheres the honor! Wheres the hair on the chest? A warrior is a fight to the death! SK's.....oh sh@t getting my a$$ whooped here, FD FD! lolz
 
Sk AA'd Proc Taps with the support AA's to it, you will never compare to the healing they pull just from melee. I have yet to see a Warrior proc 14k heals.

Do some reading into swarming. They can do this because of the sic incoming heals. You dont need an epic to do it, just helps.

Again Raiding = Warrior. Group = SK period
 
Warriors can proc heals... With a necro in the group using reluctant benevolence they can proc group heals of highest i've seen to be 16k @Nyte the rathe and i will give you that it is definately easier to heal an SK when im boxing my cleric but as far as agro goes agains Warriors with shield specialist and improved shield specialist with a sword and board it gives there main hand the ability to greatly raise the chance that their main hand will proc. As a warrior i can have a warrior only weapon that procs two different taunts, i have a taunt plus hot button that casts 5 different taunts at the same time as well as an additional 3 hate modifiers to use as well and the projection of zek. When toe to toe SK versus Warrior the warrior would time and again pulll and hold agro over the sk, and he said a group situation not a swarm situation :) i wont claim my warrior can do that hahahahahaha
 
nyghteyes said:
Sk AA'd Proc Taps with the support AA's to it, you will never compare to the healing they pull just from melee. I have yet to see a Warrior proc 14k heals.

Do some reading into swarming. They can do this because of the sic incoming heals. You dont need an epic to do it, just helps.

Again Raiding = Warrior. Group = SK period
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Well definitly for swarming its SK, but op is just talking about grouping, and agro issues. In my opinion warrior = raiding, and grouping. So many topics on eq forums can even prove that!
 
Xat said:
necro can ... no class in the game can do anything to keep agro off a 20 DoT rotation if i dont FD
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what he said ..... third spire + blightbringers tunic swift dots critting for 65k x3 plus the other ten dots i got on the mob ..... not a chance in hell rofl
 
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