Question - 36 Man raids

[Grpsmashin]

Hey guys,

So have been currently looking and only running 36 man raids. This isnt to cap myself and not run a full raid, but to more see how a 36 man team handles raids.

I have attached my raid makeup and wanted some input on where I am at with it.

Note: I know group6 looks weird but i added these for my secondary tank group via for = Adds, MT boss, and extra DPS

 

[hytiek]

I'm not sure what you're asking here. But keep in mind that sharing this kind of information is how we lose out on the things we like.

If you are asking if there are raids from say TOL towards NOS that this "raid force" could do? The answer is yes.

 

[Grpsmashin]

I'm not sure what you're asking here. But keep in mind that sharing this kind of information is how we lose out on the things we like.

If you are asking if there are raids from say TOL towards NOS that this "raid force" could do? The answer is yes.

Just asking for input here. VIA group makeup, and such.

Secondly, not sure what you mean by (the keep in mind) comment? If people honestly dont know people raid with atleast 36 members then idk.... And also lose out on what?

 

[Sellme]

I can't speak to melee groups but group 4 is perfect.

 

[an_image]

Hey guys,

So have been currently looking and only running 36 man raids. This isnt to cap myself and not run a full raid, but to more see how a 36 man team handles raids.

I have attached my raid makeup and wanted some input on where I am at with it.

Note: I know group6 looks weird but i added these for my secondary tank group via for = Adds, MT boss, and extra DP

I would split the tanks in group 1 into two groups with two clerics each. You want a 1st line of defense that's pretty sturdy and a 2nd line of defense if that fails with the same amount of resiliency. Also...might want to add a bard, enc, beastlord...you're using some "hybrid tanks" (sk/pal) and they benefit greatly from the synergies/aa's those classes offers.

I tend to overdo healing (full disclosure) but my raids rarely wipe...as a point of caution I usually have 1 enc/1 bard/ 1 cleric per team. I don't like aggro drama and want all my melees to have max adps adding effects

 

[Grpsmashin]

I would split the tanks in group 1 into two groups with two clerics each. You want a 1st line of defense that's pretty sturdy and a 2nd line of defense if that fails with the same amount of resiliency. Also...might want to add a bard, enc, beastlord...you're using some "hybrid tanks" (sk/pal) and they benefit greatly from the synergies/aa's those classes offers.

I tend to overdo healing (full disclosure) but my raids rarely wipe...as a point of caution I usually have 1 enc/1 bard/ 1 cleric per team. I don't like aggro drama and want all my melees to have max adps adding effects

That seems a bit much lol. But hey if it works!

I agree about splitting G1 up to have 2x true tank groups.



I was think about this. Not sure if anyone has tried this. Do you not use hybrid tanks? If so what kinda group setup do you run?

 

[Many_Whelps]

I wouldn't use shaman in caster groups, I'd replace them with a dps caster that can better benefit from the adps. Allow the druids to spot heal while melee group shaman cast rain heals that heal the entire raid. Could slide a displaced shaman into group 1 and move a knight out. Speaking of knights, imo, you're a bit tank heavy for a group of 36.

I don't like the doubled up zerks in group 5. A ranger's adps (scarlet cheetah, auspices, etc) or a monk would do better.

I also wouldn't run 3 zerks without beastlords for each to support.

 

[Grpsmashin]

I wouldn't use shaman in caster groups, I'd replace them with a dps caster that can better benefit from the adps. Allow the druids to spot heal while melee group shaman cast rain heals that heal the entire raid. Could slide a displaced shaman into group 1 and move a knight out. Speaking of knights, imo, you're a bit tank heavy for a group of 36.

I don't like the doubled up zerks in group 5. A ranger's adps (scarlet cheetah, auspices, etc) or a monk would do better.

I also wouldn't run 3 zerks without beastlords for each to support.

Why not double BER or ROG? seen it done quite a few time now. Genuinely curious.

Edit: And also i see what you mean about tank heavy now. Was thinking if crap hits the fan, I could still recover!

 

[Many_Whelps]

Why not double BER or ROG? seen it done quite a few time now. Genuinely curious.

Imo, the single zerk/rog benefits more from the adps added by the ranger or monk combined with the raw dps from either of those classes. I think the doubling up is more a result of just dealing with who shows up for raid vs optimal min-maxing.

 

[an_image]

Imo, the single zerk/rog benefits more from the adps added by the ranger or monk combined with the raw dps from either of those classes. I think the doubling up is more a result of just dealing with who shows up for raid vs optimal min-maxing.

Agree w/ @Many_Whelps ... must be a Monday. Also, make sure all your Melee DPS is rocking poisons ... best "spider's bite" you can get to really make those rogues shine. Rangers should be using poison disciplined w/ poison on weapons, war too. SK/Pal should be using Dragonmagic Focus, Restless Focus or whatever the NOS/TOL versions are

 

[Wild Beagle]

Why not double BER or ROG? seen it done quite a few time now. Genuinely curious.

Edit: And also i see what you mean about tank heavy now. Was thinking if crap hits the fan, I could still recover!

The berserker or rogue (or monk etc) will benefit from coalitions etc regardless of where they are in the raid. But the group synergies are better without class duplicates in most groups. Exception may be warriors/clerics in tank groups

 

[Szazor]

All looks pretty solid tbh. I'm confident a perfect raid force doesn't exist.
If you start dropping toons to add other toons just for synergy you can start going backwards. It does depend on your ini's too - my Ranger dps drops away the longer a fight is going on and I have no reason why.

Also - Every toon should be rocking poison. Rogues are definitely OP if you can get their alliance proccing all the time. It procs more than any other class.
Try a raid with even the casters running Spiders Bite and melee. You may be surprised.

 

[knave23]

Congrats on your hard work! Getting so many to 120 is awesome and a lot of work; I'm struggling just getting to 115 lol.

G1: maybe move a shaman in for one of the clerics
G2: Like whelps said, move this shaman (probably to G1) and replace with a caster dps. Probably a 3rd mage to get coalitions
G3: Perfecto
G4: If this is a pet group, it's fine. I can't say if pet groups are optimal in raids, but I bet it's fun if nothing else.
G5: Agree double zerk is not optimal, but idk where else I'd put the extra one so
G6: You seem aware this is your catchall group so it's fine. They won't be your rockstars, but they should be fine.

 

[tbutts]

How in the world, do you possibly get that many toons to 120 on a live server? Is everyone on FV? I should move all my accounts there and leave Cazic. Ridiculous. I know this reply is not helpful at all. Just complaining a bit in jealousy.

 

[Mikey02]

Just out of curiosity, how much raid can be done with 6 groups?

 

[killerclown]

Atm i do a solid 54 man raid force ... it takes alot to do but once you have it down then it is all about augs. the healers have to be really good since you will most definatly miss emotes on break in of new raids ..

 

[Grpsmashin]

Just out of curiosity, how much raid can be done with 6 groups?

ToV, CoV, TOL = T1 & some T2 << A little lazy with scripting is all and i could do more.

36 man is trying to be a new standard for me to see what a raidforce can do with that

 

[ImGreg]

How in the world, do you possibly get that many toons to 120 on a live server? Is everyone on FV? I should move all my accounts there and leave Cazic. Ridiculous. I know this reply is not helpful at all. Just complaining a bit in jealousy.

grind ftw

 

[Trapper]

Also so far both LS raids are doable with 36. even 24.

 

[Szazor]

I saw the video's and they do look pretty easy. But do you need a NOS tank? I havent raided at all in NOS - so my tanks may be a bit undergeared.

I was planning on continuing in TOL then onto NOS before jumping into LS

My DPS has skyrocketed with LS though - so maybe doable if they are burn type raids.

 

[Mikey02]

Thanks, maybe I’ll finally delve into Eq raid this year. The daunting task of maintaining a full raid force for raid always push me back.

 

[lanceval]

That must really takes a lot of time to maintain all those toons.

 

[Hulkman]

Running 36 Man raids - Positioning and strategy is very important , probably more important than anything else. If possible I would add extra tank rotation in the mix of all your toons. Warriors Fortitude, Flash Anger is invaluable during boss fights

 

[Trapper]

But do you need a NOS tank?

yes for sure, the tanks need to be beefy.. my fully NoS raid geared BiS offtank was taking around 50k DPS sustained through the adds.
Our main warrior looks to have been taking even more on the boss.


If you haven't raided for a couple expansion I would probably jump to a few of the easy NoS ones to gear up your tank, they are dropping a ton of loot and would only take a few runs.

 

[Naeeldar]

ToV, CoV, TOL = T1 & some T2 << A little lazy with scripting is all and i could do more.

36 man is trying to be a new standard for me to see what a raidforce can do with that

Any of the NOS raids doable with 36? Or even 30 with NOS raid gear? Debating if I could max out the progressive spell some more.

 

[durango773]

Any of the NOS raids doable with 36? Or even 30 with NOS raid gear? Debating if I could max out the progressive spell some more.

yes

 

[Birdman]

Any of the NOS raids doable with 36? Or even 30 with NOS raid gear? Debating if I could max out the progressive spell some more.

Can do Spirit fades with 18-24, just takes you a few with lower DPS. Shiknar raid isnt bad either as long as you can handle the 3 adds + boss and Tank swaps.

 

[killerclown]

one door closes is a easy enough raid long as your tanks can take a good amount of damage

 

[Grpsmashin]

Any of the NOS raids doable with 36? Or even 30 with NOS raid gear? Debating if I could max out the progressive spell some more.

Short answer is yes as others have stated.

Best advice is start with 3 groups and build from there. Tank group, Melee group, Caster group. I have been able to build from that and add in what i need once my core was set for my 36 man raids.

Its also pretty interesting what 18 man can do too lol. Just my 2 red cents

 

[Naeeldar]

Short answer is yes as others have stated.

Best advice is start with 3 groups and build from there. Tank group, Melee group, Caster group. I have been able to build from that and add in what i need once my core was set for my 36 man raids.

Its also pretty interesting what 18 man can do too lol. Just my 2 red cents

What are you doing with 18 man? I’m on test so I already have that solid groups max aa and NOS T2 raid + LS weapons raid. Just haven’t bought full LS raid gear excuse stupid expensive.

Been debating if I go 30 people right now could I do anything like knock out some progression spells on NOS or some LS currency.

 

[Grpsmashin]

What are you doing with 18 man? I’m on test so I already have that solid groups max aa and NOS T2 raid + LS weapons raid. Just haven’t bought full LS raid gear excuse stupid expensive.

Been debating if I go 30 people right now could I do anything like knock out some progression spells on NOS or some LS currency.

Well thats part of the fun isnt it? lol

Its a lot of trial and error with smaller numbers. Lots of scripting if it is needed. Creating waypoints, Tank switching, having my two main tanks wipe and throwing my ranger in to save the day.
(Yes i have done this and yes i was able to survive and beat the raid)

If you have the people. Pick a raid and try it out. If you havent used your toons enough and have parses to support your data collection. Not going to do you any good if i just give ya a list and say have fun right?

 

[Naeeldar]

Well thats part of the fun isnt it? lol

Its a lot of trial and error with smaller numbers. Lots of scripting if it is needed. Creating waypoints, Tank switching, having my two main tanks wipe and throwing my ranger in to save the day.
(Yes i have done this and yes i was able to survive and beat the raid)

If you have the people. Pick a raid and try it out. If you havent used your toons enough and have parses to support your data collection. Not going to do you any good if i just give ya a list and say have fun right?

Ugh you are a bad influence. I just went 18 after returning in Feb. and that means I also bought 18 expansions then. not sure if I want to do another 18 and spend another 635 on expansions. but sorely tempted because I get the sense with 36 I could probably farm some LS currency and knock out some raids in here and there.

On flip side I would save on 18 heroics purchases right now....

 

[Kcsdman]

We split Kang and PoM both with 30-36 total boxes now, very very doable! Kang in particular is free currency just begging to be taken and easier than most Nos raids. If you want to dip your toes in, that's where!

 

[Darkwynd3]

Kang and PoM are both very doable with 24, and could probably be done with less depending on gear.

 

[CunningRunt]

Ok so seems to me need 18 to 24 minimum to achieve any raid loot. From the threads so far it seems need to go for one door closes and spirit fades but they look like need 24 to 36.
I reckon any raid for currency and rinse repeat then slowly build the tanks up in raid gear then branch out to 24 36 man raids and upwards from there

Ideally like to do some 18 box raid if possible - whats the ideal for easiest LS raid ? Not minimum since have to allow for a person who has to work out the scripts and positioning and learn the raids from scratch.

 

[eqsubi15]

Ok so seems to me need 18 to 24 minimum to achieve any raid loot. From the threads so far it seems need to go for one door closes and spirit fades but they look like need 24 to 36.
I reckon any raid for currency and rinse repeat then slowly build the tanks up in raid gear then branch out to 24 36 man raids and upwards from there

Ideally like to do some 18 box raid if possible - whats the ideal for easiest LS raid ? Not minimum since have to allow for a person who has to work out the scripts and positioning and learn the raids from scratch.

I believe Return of Kanghammer is the easiest.

LS - Elddar Forest - T1 - The Return of Kanghammer

LS - Elddar Forest - T1 - The Return of Kanghammer

forums.eqfreelance.net

I vaguely remember the towers didn't have to be balanced. Could just brute force through a few respawns and then go back to the center after. Can anyone confirm this still works?

 

[Undefeated]

How many tanks are needed for Kang raid? Also how many needed for Spirit Fades?

 

[Robahn]

How many tanks are needed for Kang raid? Also how many needed for Spirit Fades?

depends on your method - but 4 for Kanghammer (1 main + 3 towers) and 2 (main + switch) for DL raid

 

[RobRenfro]

That must really takes a lot of time to maintain all those toons.

I have a bigger force for raiding also guys just for screwing around it takes a lot to maintain you are correct. But it's my hobby.

 

[Eltai86]

I have a bigger force for raiding also guys just for screwing around it takes a lot to maintain you are correct. But it's my hobby.

Honestly, having good systems in place makes a huge difference in the time required to maintain. Also, for example when I do a resupply it takes about the same amount of time whether I’m doing 1 stack of transfer or 10. I do huge prep runs of potions and knock it out once for long time rather then constantly keeping up with it every week