Hearsay - What happened to Accendo (1 Viewer)

[Redmonkey]

Just curious if anyone knew why he isn't showing on discord and not active much in the forums for the past month. Wonder if he is on a book tour.

 

[Sic]

yeah shows "deleted user" on the official eq discord.

 

[Redmonkey]

yeah shows "deleted user" on the official eq discord.

Could be the name change discord is requiring of some of us maybe

 

[Nunyo]

Zaide over on the FoH boards said Dzarn, Truenorth, and Accendo all been fired the last 3 weeks.

 

[Sic]

Zaide over on the FoH boards said Dzarn, Truenorth, and Accendo all been fired the last 3 weeks.

Dzarn, eh? Wow

 

[Grpsmashin]

Zaide over on the FoH boards said Dzarn, Truenorth, and Accendo all been fired the last 3 weeks.

They clearing house for something or someone new?

 

[Shadow]

Who are these people you are referring to?

 

[Sic]

Who are these people you are referring to?

Dbg staff

 

[Shadow]

Dbg staff

Ahh, ty!

 

[Multichar]

Dbg staff

The last one I remember is Absor; anybody remember when he left?

 

[Amarth]

he didnt, afaik.

 

[Overtimer]

Dumb Question, were those people friendly or against MQ?

 

[Yannafuntime]

Dumb Question, were those people friendly or against MQ?

I think the alarming thing about this is, those folks have been with the game a very long time and it's concerning that out of nowhere they have been let go. We don't really get to know what's going on inside DPG so this might be Really bad, sorta bad or nothing to be concerned about.

So far, I haven't seen or heard any alarm bells ringing so I'm going to go with ... I hope those folks land on thier feet and find new jobs they enjoy.

 

[an_image]

I think the alarming thing about this is, those folks have been with the game a very long time and it's concerning that out of nowhere they have been let go. We don't really get to know what's going on inside DPG so this might be Really bad, sorta bad or nothing to be concerned about.

So far, I haven't seen or heard any alarm bells ringing so I'm going to go with ... I hope those folks land on thier feet and find new jobs they enjoy.

They all pulled one of these…

 

[a_moss_snake]

They all pulled one of these…

Details?

 

[Multichar]

Details?

I think he's just making a joke - it isn't a deep reference to a specific thing they did.

 

[neumuno]

What is the best conspiracy so far? I sure there are people on this board that talk with DB on occasion and might have knowledge.

 

[blackmarble]

Zaide over on the FoH boards said Dzarn, Truenorth, and Accendo all been fired the last 3 weeks.

I liked Dzarn. I'm surprised he didn't not make any good bye posts. Nothing major just something like hey guys, I enjoyed working on EQ and I'm moving on etc.

 

[Many_Whelps]

Dumb Question, were those people friendly or against MQ?

Nearly all the devs are "against" MQ. It's more a matter of how much they're against it. I mean, if there was a project dedicated to cheating at the thing that you're working on full-time, wouldn't you resent it as well?

 

[LamahHerder]

Nearly all the devs are "against" MQ. It's more a matter of how much they're against it. I mean, if there was a project dedicated to cheating at the thing that you're working on full-time, wouldn't you resent it as well?

No I'd be interested in what benefits it provides that could be incorporated to make a better game
People mostly use MQ because it makes EQ a different game which does not exist anywhere else
However I dont consider automation cheating, its encouraged in every other aspect of life.... warping/fartaunt IMO is cheating

 

[an_image]

They all pulled one of these…

It

I think he's just making a joke - it isn't a deep reference to a specific thing they did.

@a_moss_snake its a scene from fight vlub where a guy about to get fired kicks his own ass and fakes a beatdown from tge boss and blackmails him for severance

 

[an_image]

Nearly all the devs are "against" MQ. It's more a matter of how much they're against it. I mean, if there was a project dedicated to cheating at the thing that you're working on full-time, wouldn't you resent it as well?

No, id embrace it and use it to automate my job covertly so i can still get the recognition, get paid, and lounge at the beach

 

[Many_Whelps]

No I'd be interested in what benefits it provides that could be incorporated to make a better game
People mostly use MQ because it makes EQ a different game which does not exist anywhere else
However I dont consider automation cheating, its encouraged in every other aspect of life.... warping/fartaunt IMO is cheating

At one point I agreed with you, but I've seen it from the other side too. MQ is a MASSIVE advantage over anyone not using it. It exposes information that the devs specifically intended to keep hidden from the players.

I'm currently working on maxing AP with Jande's tradeskill macro and it is infinitely more efficient than doing it manually. It's absolutely cheating, I'm cheating, we're all cheating. Saying "oh, it's just automation" is disingenuous.

 

[jande]

At one point I agreed with you, but I've seen it from the other side too. MQ is a MASSIVE advantage over anyone not using it. It exposes information that the devs specifically intended to keep hidden from the players.

I'm currently working on maxing AP with Jande's tradeskill macro and it is infinitely more efficient than doing it manually. It's absolutely cheating, I'm cheating, we're all cheating. Saying "oh, it's just automation" is disingenuous.

Unreasonable hurdles leads to cheating. I did it once by hand and the amount of wrist strain is just silly. If such a requirement is set then of course people are going to try and cheat.
For that matter if mq did not exist you could do the same with autohotkey, /outputfile and scanning log file. Lot more coding work but it would be possible.

 

[Silverspaceman]

Unreasonable hurdles leads to cheating.

Truth. I own both your macro and jb321's Lua script and I am just hoping I finish 350 on my remaining tradeskills before my license (on TSN) runs out in about 14 years. Without MQ, EQ (live) would simply be a bad trip down memory lane regardless of how DBG's staff feels about it.

 

[hammertime6505]

Zaide over on the FoH boards said Dzarn, Truenorth, and Accendo all been fired the last 3 weeks.

Dang, I hope they all land on their feet!

 

[an_image]

@hammertime6505 , by logic of tenure they were probably victims to what every company is currently doing in tech and financial services. They're cutting anyone with tenure who's making a decent living that can actually speak out against the stupidity the current batch of CIO/CEO's/CFO's are coming in with.

New leaders are usually externa hires and usually have no belief and/or loyalty to company culture (other than lip service). They know they've got 4-5 years to turn a profit before they make the next jump...so cutting cost/staff is the number one move

This is why I build solutions only I understand and why no one is getting trained on stuff I make/build

FAQ's: What is the logic or business rules of these low code/no code solutions?

FAQ's: Are there any single points of failure?

FAQ's: If you're out who can help us with any issues?

FAQ's: Can's this process and reporting be automated and simplified? You do the Aikido Answer of saying...

... then they usually run away and say...nah let's just keep things as they are...you know keep it simple

 

[reefrash]

@hammertime6505 , by logic of tenure they were probably victims to what every company is currently doing in tech and financial services. They're cutting anyone with tenure who's making a decent living that can actually speak out against the stupidity the current batch of CIO/CEO's/CFO's are coming in with.

New leaders are usually externa hires and usually have no belief and/or loyalty to company culture (other than lip service). They know they've got 4-5 years to turn a profit before they make the next jump...so cutting cost/staff is the number one move

These sound like developers, not management. Individual contributors. None of the C-suite knows how to code, which is why they get away with what you said. =)

 

[reefrash]

At one point I agreed with you, but I've seen it from the other side too. MQ is a MASSIVE advantage over anyone not using it. It exposes information that the devs specifically intended to keep hidden from the players.

I'm currently working on maxing AP with Jande's tradeskill macro and it is infinitely more efficient than doing it manually. It's absolutely cheating, I'm cheating, we're all cheating. Saying "oh, it's just automation" is disingenuous.

Db could easily pull in the top 10 game fixes from MQ and most of the folks would skip the danger of 3rd party automation.

 

[an_image]

Db could easily pull in the top 10 game fixes from MQ and most of the folks would skip the danger of 3rd party automation.

nah they'd fuck it up...you need a sensei like @brainiac, @Knightly, or @ChatWithThisName teaching how to code...

Here's a snapshot from @Sic journey into plug-ins

 

[reefrash]

nah they'd fuck it up...you need a sensei like @brainiac, @Knightly, or @ChatWithThisName teaching how to code...

lol now youve got me hoping for the announcement the three devs to be replaced by them!

 

[Naeeldar]

@hammertime6505 , by logic of tenure they were probably victims to what every company is currently doing in tech and financial services. They're cutting anyone with tenure who's making a decent living that can actually speak out against the stupidity the current batch of CIO/CEO's/CFO's are coming in with.

New leaders are usually externa hires and usually have no belief and/or loyalty to company culture (other than lip service). They know they've got 4-5 years to turn a profit before they make the next jump...so cutting cost/staff is the number one move

This is why I build solutions only I understand and why no one is getting trained on stuff I make/build

Work in tech also lot of truth to this. That said EBITDA has gotten fairly out of whack in our industry if we are honest. Too many start-ups / pre-ipo companies that only were looking at market share not profitability - so that has flipped. And then you have FAANG where some overhired - big cuts on the passion projects and middle management.

 

[ChatWithThisName]

nah they'd fuck it up...you need a sensei like @brainiac, @Knightly, or @ChatWithThisName teaching how to code...

Here's a snapshot from @Sic journey into plug-ins

I'm nowhere near a sensei.

 

[reefrash]

Work in tech also lot of truth to this. That said EBITDA has gotten fairly out of whack in our industry if we are honest. Too many start-ups / pre-ipo companies that only were looking at market share not profitability - so that has flipped. And then you have FAANG where some overhired - big cuts on the passion projects and middle management.

Agreed.
All of the bureaucracies have balooned under the phat covid money. Folks threw that at r&d projects that cant be supported with out.

The MBAs have been programed to squeeze all the profit out of the system even if it means degrading the service to customers ... and most def has scewed the understaffed/paid operations teams. They tell us its cheaper to fix disasters than it is to built the system resilient so it doesnt fail. That we are up at 2am to fix it is no big deal, cause we are salary and the company has paid us anyway. 80+ hours a week is the norm. Days, nights, weekends, and holidays to do patches and such. We would watch the new hires gain 35 pounds over the next few months as the corperation sucks their life force out of them.

Turns out even that FAANG were colluding on the back end to screw all of the individual contributors in pay for decades. The folks that actually get shit done in the world.

lol sorry youve all triggered my tramas. 25+ years in west coast IT ops was brutal on the body and soul.

reminds me of that old movie war games also applies to bureaucracies .... the only winning move is not to play.

 

[Naeeldar]

Agreed.
All of the bureaucracies have balooned under the phat covid money. Folks threw that at r&d projects that cant be supported with out.

The MBAs have been programed to squeeze all the profit out of the system even if it means degrading the service to customers ... and most def has scewed the understaffed/paid operations teams. They tell us its cheaper to fix disasters than it is to built the system resilient so it doesnt fail. That we are up at 2am to fix it is no big deal, cause we are salary and the company has paid us anyway. 80+ hours a week is the norm. Days, nights, weekends, and holidays to do patches and such. We would watch the new hires gain 35 pounds over the next few months as the corperation sucks their life force out of them.

Turns out even that FAANG were colluding on the back end to screw all of the individual contributors in pay for decades. The folks that actually get shit done in the world.

lol sorry youve all triggered my tramas. 25+ years in west coast IT ops was brutal on the body and soul.

reminds me of that old movie war games also applies to bureaucracies .... the only winning move is not to play.

The ops piece is still at play but I will say there have been some big lessons in Ops / Security breaches that have somewhat changed that - I don't think the full culture piece is there yet but it's shifting now at least. For example Southwest found out just how expensive ignoring some aspects of operations can be this past year. And a lot of CIOs have been forced to admit this could happen to them.

Still too much stupidity in the system but that will change over time. The legacy technical debt will have to be addressed if companies truly want to take advantage of cloud / AI. Backend plumbing might not be sexy but it is necessary.

 

[Knightly]

Didn't they hire Accendo's replacement last year?

 

[durango773]

Didn't they hire Accendo's replacement last year?

Yes, almost exactly a year ago

 

[an_image]

I'm nowhere near a sensei.

@ChatWithThisName ... so you're saying you're level zero...

@ChatWithThisName coaching the dbg development team...lol

 

[ChatWithThisName]

@ChatWithThisName ... so you're saying you're level zero...

@ChatWithThisName coaching the dbg development team...lol

I'm not saying I'm level zero, I'm simply stating that I started learning C/C++ through macroquest. My academic knowledge of programming is not a high bar. While I tend to think through what I'm doing so that it can flow well in a programmatic way and appear to have made good choices when developing the plugins through the guidance of Knightly/Brain and by not being afraid to read a book or google an issue, I would say that I am still a beginner. When I read code by more experienced coders such as Brain/Knightly it's reasonable to expect I'll quickly get lost and it takes a lot of time and google to understand some of the things they are doing.

I'm fairly sure that the developers at daybreak have way more experience than me and that they are more likely to have mistakes in their code because they are part of an organization with deadlines and multiple moving pieces. I'm not excusing any bugs that are pushed out to the public by them, simply stating that it's likely more complicated than it appears on the surface. Where-as I personally have very little functional coding knowledge when it comes to multi-programmer environments, none with environments that include graphics designers, world creation, animators, and running a large world wide business that has (over the course of the game, not so much as the specific studio) been around in excess of 20 years. It's quite the accomplishment even if the current userbase is but a shadow of it's original presence. I also have pretty much no creative oversight and tend to make choices I feel are good as opposed to a business where decisions are not at the programmer level. I solely continue to do what it is I do because people appreciate the work created by Sic and myself and I do my best to continue to try and appeal to as many people as I can without overcomplicating/compromising the goal of simplicity for the user.

If you choose to view me as a master then that is your choice and I thank you for the compliment.

 

[an_image]

I'm not saying I'm level zero, I'm simply stating that I started learning C/C++ through macroquest. My academic knowledge of programming is not a high bar. While I tend to think through what I'm doing so that it can flow well in a programmatic way and appear to have made good choices when developing the plugins through the guidance of Knightly/Brain and by not being afraid to read a book or google an issue, I would say that I am still a beginner. When I read code by more experienced coders such as Brain/Knightly it's reasonable to expect I'll quickly get lost and it takes a lot of time and google to understand some of the things they are doing.

I'm fairly sure that the developers at daybreak have way more experience than me and that they are more likely to have mistakes in their code because they are part of an organization with deadlines and multiple moving pieces. I'm not excusing any bugs that are pushed out to the public by them, simply stating that it's likely more complicated than it appears on the surface. Where-as I personally have very little functional coding knowledge when it comes to multi-programmer environments, none with environments that include graphics designers, world creation, animators, and running a large world wide business that has (over the course of the game, not so much as the specific studio) been around in excess of 20 years. It's quite the accomplishment even if the current userbase is but a shadow of it's original presence. I also have pretty much no creative oversight and tend to make choices I feel are good as opposed to a business where decisions are not at the programmer level. I solely continue to do what it is I do because people appreciate the work created by Sic and myself and I do my best to continue to try and appeal to as many people as I can without overcomplicating/compromising the goal of simplicity for the user.

If you choose to view me as a master then that is your choice and I thank you for the compliment.

You guys rock...so what you're saying then is...

Then I go...

and then we all go...