while i agree with you 100%. i do think that after say 48hrs maybe a daily update of a simple thumbs up or down would not be a bad idea ... again not that it has to be done but it would be a courtesy.
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This is all I ask.. I mean at this point once it is up it may go right back down for another update by the time it gets up
So.... No one cares about Test...
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Let me help you understand this better
This is a plugin site
They have plugins that use the MQ source code.
If your playing on TEST which patches numerous times a month the MQ source has to be rebuilt each time the server is patched
And one person is doing that at the moment
Brainiac.
So take that information and the above statements and now you know what is going on.
This is a plugin site
They have plugins that use the MQ source code.
If your playing on TEST which patches numerous times a month the MQ source has to be rebuilt each time the server is patched
And one person is doing that at the moment
Brainiac.
So take that information and the above statements and now you know what is going on.
We always understood this we just want some haste for a basic true up patch. This is more like when they brought dx11 to test. A hey I’m working on it or nah I’m good go play live and shut up is all I ask.
Yeah. Test is the only server which is it relatively safe to even use this software openly and also the best server for boxing multiple toons because it is Free All Access and lower population (not stepping on other's toes). The down side is that Test doesn't generate revenue via Krono bot farmers so less people are playing on Test and paying money for subs to RG. Since only 2 people have complained about Test being down for 4 days I kinda doubt the threat of absence of our subs is going to get anyone rushing to their keyboard to spend any amount of time working on source code. I get where they are coming from... I don't like doing extra work for virtually no benefit either. My primary annoyance is no ETA whatsoever. The default response when asking is, "Look at the icecream cones." which is essentially looking at the "Unavailable-Patch Day" "Launch/Update" placeholder, and "You can donate money to Mods". I would really like to just be given an amount of money that would have to be pooled in order to get Test source code attention. I am not trying to be an asshole, and I know they are not being vindictive in not fixing it so I hope my aggravation isn't seen as an attack, but just venting while I wait.
well put @boikawt but i think if there was a way to see how many people play test fulltime we would be very surprised. there are a LOT of people using MQ on test and any of them that i know personally use RG. i agree with the idea and would have no issue being given a $ amount for some extra love on test but don't know how that would work aside form tipping the devs etc through the previously mentioned threads. i personally would rather give RG/devs etc my dollars than dpg
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I'd recount that based on just the RG discord conversations. The majority of test uses it in some form at this point (including, as always, some of the most outspoken "I dont use it ogm and people who do are evil" people who sure as shit arent ever running their box groups around when its not up), theres just a lot of people logged into live / tlp or playing other games while they wait for it to be up.
Theres a few people across a few test communities that have said "we're in a catch-22 of needing the person who does it and doesnt like doing it for test to let someone who would do it for test do it" in the last couple days.
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There sure are others who are silently waiting for it to be updated and also would love some form of communication.
However perhaps a better approach to ask for change from redguides would maybe be to write up something in the suggestions forum or leave feedback somewhere, I don't know that trying to address a problem in this thread is the move.
However perhaps a better approach to ask for change from redguides would maybe be to write up something in the suggestions forum or leave feedback somewhere, I don't know that trying to address a problem in this thread is the move.
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Well just a FYI I play on test
And I only replied to these post to clarify the problem.
And the solution is clear
There is a need of a devoted dedicated developer in charge of TEST builds of the source code.
Preferably one who has a vested interest in the server because he is playing on it.
That being said I don’t know who that person is …..
And I only replied to these post to clarify the problem.
And the solution is clear
There is a need of a devoted dedicated developer in charge of TEST builds of the source code.
Preferably one who has a vested interest in the server because he is playing on it.
That being said I don’t know who that person is …..
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Sure but that should be redguides problem to address.
They use MQ as a backbone for their services which is what we pay for. This essentially means MQ Devs are a vendor for them. Live gets super fast turnaround time, and I'm sure they pay them for this. (100% an assumption but its the only thing that makes sense in my brain. At the very least, I HOPE they are paying them for it.)
It's just obvious that Redguides does not see this as a problem that they /need/ to address since it has been this way for a very long time.
Should that change? I mean if there's enough of a customer base that wants change then maybe let them know. I know many test users would pay more money for a similar experience that live gets.
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yeah i would be on board with this as well. charge me for grind and cwtn or whatever else to have the same turnaround as live and that would be awesome.
How do I volunteer?
Get about 25 years of reverse engineering experience then go from there.
I am pretty good at breaking things!
People usually don't even mention the test server build because if they do they get the standard answer it will get patched when it gets patched and deal with it, if you want it faster "tip" the devs. I agree with the above mentioned idea of how much money does it take in addition to my RG sub to make Test the same priority as Live? Take my money...
I am legitimately asking. I realize a lot of this is older tech that I don't use and I haven't written anything in Lua in about 10 years, but I am a senior software engineer. How do I volunteer to help get Test running?
Does tipping the devs make it faster though. I mean. If they are not even available to look at it then a tip isn't even going to be noticed until they are available to look at it. If that is the case, then the tip amount determines IF they will even work on it when they are available. So a higher sub amount for Test builds makes sense to me.
That is kinda what I'm saying I am willing to PAY more for the service to get test the same love as the live server. I'm not complaining but If the issue is I don't get paid more to do twice the work, then charge me twice the amount to get the same level of support.
I don't actually know but I imagine its something like this... You need IDA Pro or Ghidra. Take a copy of MQ source for a specific binary build of EQ and one version older. Bindiff the binaries and read the source for a week or 3 until you understand all the commits that updated MQ for that version of EQ.
There is a pretty large collection of tooling (Patchday, IDA scripts, python) that is normally used for updating offsets. Those are no longer accessible anywhere (they used to be in the OG MQ forum) so anyone trying to take over the Test server stuff is going to have a real long road ahead rebuilding all of them from scratch
I mean ideally that knowledge would be transferred to a vetted developer willingly to someone who is coming onto the scene to help out.
I'd be shocked if someone who put in the work to DIY a fix and demonstrated they can do this type of stuff wouldn't be welcomed into the inner circle of RG's dev team.
This, times 1000
i agree with this 110% as i am sure all of the fulltime test MQ community are onboard with this as well.
I think everyone tipping a little after each test patch is going to go a long, long way in getting it updated faster and more reliably. Everyone seems to agree they don't mind paying more in one way or another so why not we all start tossing some tips his way consistently after each patch? The tip thread is usually devoid on any tippers saying thanks for updating test. Just a thought.
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Personally I don't think tipping is the solution. People want to pay for confirmation from RG that they will have access return faster and more consistent. In my opinion, RG should address this directly with Macroquest developers by ensuring that they have proper incentive and motive(compensation). Once that is figured out then they can charge us and we would be happy to pay it sounds like.
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Thank you very much for the update.
Thank you for a response
It may not be the ideal solution but it's probably the only one we will ever get. I don't see brain committing to any type of deal to keep test updated on a set, hard schedule no matter any possible big incentives. There are just too many unknowns with test patches. He has no idea what is going to crop up that will force him to break any type of timeframe/estimates.
And thank you brainiac. We do appreciate it even if we don't voice it as much as the live folks.
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Incredibly valid point. That being said, I still would like to think that there could be an achievable outcome where we feel things are improved for us and he gets paid consistently for his time. Which ultimately is the outcome everyone who has voiced in this thread wants.
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and the RG crew, just wanted to say thank you for the efforts. Our love of EQ is the foundation of this great community. Life is messy and rarely on schedule. Sometimes we all need a pause and some fresh air. While test is down I work on neglected 2.0 and other QoL. Keep the faith fam. I know nothing about coding, so all this is wizardry to me 
i agree with @Darkitecht . for me personally as a test player i understand there is going to be extended downtime, that being said for me personally after a few days of no answers it would be nice to get a daily test build status so we could all plan accordingly etc.
as always thanks to the whole RG community live/test/emu brain red and the whole dev team for keeping eq fun with all you do
as always thanks to the whole RG community live/test/emu brain red and the whole dev team for keeping eq fun with all you do