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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Open Beta is available as of yesterday (1 Viewer)

My link to download the client may still work, I signed up for the beta a long time ago but only recently got in. If someone wanted it I could give it to them.
 
So like..how is the PeaVeaPea? I find WoW's to be too item based and too much on the either LOL I'M 30 LELVZL HIYER DAN U SO I CAN KIL U VRY E.Z?!!? or BGs (mindless mess of people). Looking for a game to SURPLANT the UO of old. Bring back the PvP, yo.
 
Vanguard will probably be more item based than WoW. Also PvP will be EQ style... As in none of the classes will be balanced for it so some classes will simply dominate others. This to me is cool as typically the classes that get dominated 1v1 in EQ were fairly sexified when it came to group PvP. I don't want class balance as IMO they typically make the classes more and more bland or overpowered in other areas to achieve this. This is first and foremost a PvE game.

I am REALLY liking my Vanguard Cleric so far. I am only level 13 but already I am considering not even bothering with Burning Crusade and just playing this. It's certainly far from being the perfect game or robot jesus extraodinaire that Sigil has been claiming it will be. However I actually find myself wanting to log in and play every night being annoyed that they have been patching during primetime lately... Whenever I think about starting up my Draenei in WoW I get the same feeling I get when the trash is getting close to full and I am going to have to take out the garbage... God I hate taking out the garbage~

Soooo... If anyone is interested here is a rough overview of the snazzy abilities my cleric has that makes it such a sexified uberbadass level 13 of doom...

First off the bitch can melee. Like I can turn on autoattack and do nothing else and still be able to kill mobs that give me exp (-2 or -3 threat level 2 mobs mostly for this). On top of that I have some exciting melee attacks that get me all hot n bothered:

I have an instant attack that adds ~20-30 dmg to my swing and puts a DoT on the mob that does ~20-50 spiritual dmg a tick.
I have an instant attack that adds ~40-50 dmg to my swing and reduces the mobs resistance to spiritual dmg.
I have an instant attack that does ~30-50 dmg and restores either 60 or 90 energy (mana).
I have a reactive instant attack that does ~130 dmg and stuns the mob for ~2 seconds. This is activated only after a crit.

I only have 2 nukes. One is pretty decent does ~150ish dmg and can be chain cast. The other is a Turn Undead nuke/dot that does like 400 dmg and some crazy dot at the end but I only have two charges of this and it takes 2.5 hours of playing to regen a charge.

On the healing side of things I have a few different heals:

I have a small 2 second cast heal that heals for around 250ish (to give you an idea buffed my cleric has ~850 hp).
I have a large 4 second cast heal that heals for around 515ish.
I have a fairly crappy heal over time that does 75 a tick for 4 ticks over 36 seconds. The first tick is when the dot lands so 1 tick per 12 seconds. It's good healing to mana though.
I have an instacast heal for about 270ish that supposedly debuffs all of the undead in the area around the target of my heal though I haven't experienced this yet to see.

I also have some nice buffage:

I have a Str/Dex Group buff. Lasts 1h.
A Int/Wis Group buff. Lasts 1h.
A Health/Endurance regeny group buff. Lasts 30m.
A Health/Armor Single target Buff. Lasts 1h.

And I also have some short term buffs that are pretty amusing:

A self dmg add buff that increases my melee dmg for 20-30 for ~15 seconds.
A self shield buff that absorbs 2 hits of anything.
A self divine barrier type buff that makes me immune to anything and unable to cast/melee for 15 seconds.
A weapon buff that procs a small amount of spiritual damage.
A self dmg shield that lasts 30 seconds and does 60+ dmg to anything that hits me.

And of course I have the typical ressurection spell as well as a spell that lets me summon a res stone into someone's inventory (like the ones in eq2). And a recall spell that lets me port back to my bind point (everyone has this).

This is most of what I have at level 13.

Going forward I think I pick up a few more weapon buffs that do random things like heal my group, a group heal, an attack that gives my group a dmg bonus, etc.

Should be a pretty amusing class assuming they can still melee worth a damn at 50. *shrug*
 
Vanguard will probably be more item based than WoW. Also PvP will be EQ style... As in none of the classes will be balanced for it so some classes will simply dominate others. This to me is cool as typically the classes that get dominated 1v1 in EQ were fairly sexified when it came to group PvP. I don't want class balance as IMO they typically make the classes more and more bland or overpowered in other areas to achieve this. This is first and foremost a PvE game.

???

Wasn't this the game everyone (& by "everyone", I mean Runned) was saying would be like, a PvP-friendly game instead of a PvE-game w/ some PvP functionality patched in? (I might be confusing this w/ something else...)

Personally, I think PvP is a must-have, but you gotta make it balanced FROM THE START & do only minimal changes as the game grows. That's the idea, at any rate. MMORPGs are somewhat unique in that you can't just press a button at the load screen to create a new max-level, well geared char. If you're playing Star Craft or Civ 4 or CS or whatever & you suspect your opponent has an overpowered race/wep/whatever, you can choice that race/wep/whatever yourself next game. Not so in MMORPGs; it takes months to level & gear a player. In my opinion, this takes a lot of pressure off the game developers to maintain balance--players are largely "stuck" using their original choices, most of which were made ignorant of what gameplay is like at endgame, so the consequences of not properly balancing or making sudden unpredicted changes are minimal.
 
Yeah Vanguard is supposed to be the EQ player's EQ2. As the current EQ2 is a bit more pussified from what I understand. I think though Vanguard has changed its scope a bit to try and sucker in some of the WoW crowd or some lame marketting ploy that won't work which I'm sure SOE pushed for. So I think now it will fall somewhere in between Pre-Luclin EQ1 and WoW. It is by no means a PvP game but rather a PvE game that will have a few PvP servers. I can be amused by a pure PvE game but would prefer a PvP game. If I can't have a good PvP game though I will certainly play a PvE game with a PvP ruleset. *shrug*
 
I just found a guy who mixed the two things I fear most: Midgets and Furries :'(

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Alright, here's waht i always wondered. Why is it that in every MMO that has some sort of animal.human hybrid, they are always Frogs, Cats, or Wolves/Dogs. Where's the bird species? I so want to be a man-sized chicken.
 
Yeah they could even fly in Shadowbane. Was a pretty cool idea though they could be a bit cheesy at times haha.
 
Shadowbane doesn't count as a game. it was more of an exercise in seeing how long you could go without killing yourself, while continuosly subjecting yourself to painful torture.
 
my graphics while playing this game are also of the slideshow persuasion, but ill be damned if im not having fun. i know a lot of people dont care for vanguard for tons of vaild reasons, but im having a blast in the beta right now. i really like the sheer size of the world. i feel like a little kid again...well, a little kid who stutters everytime he sees more than a couple buildings on screen.
 
i really like the sheer size of the world.

What exactly do you mean by that?

One of the things I've come to dislike about MMORPGs is that they seem to revel in creating vast virtual worlds...& then forcing you to crawl through them on your hands & knees to bear witness as to how vast they truely are. It's true of WoW, & I hear it's even worse in EQ. It's like somewhere along the history of MMORPGs, it became fashionable to force players to spend long periods of time IN TRANSIT between various locations. There's nothing like logging on to your character & spending 5 minutes on a gyphon ride to wait 3 minutes for a 3 minute boat ride so you can take a 8 minute gyphon ride to run a 6 minute mount ride to get to AQ and then realizing, "holy crap did I just spend 15 minutes DOING NOTHING?"
 
I think you are missing the point that in Vanguard the journey is supposed to be part of any "adventure" whereas in WoW it's just something you have to endure to get to your ph4tz collecting. I really like how just about anything in the world you can see you can get to. Some of the Z-axis distances between the top and bottom of a cliff etc in Vanguard are just insane.

I do feel that the vastness of Vanguard's world is going to make it much much more difficult for them to finish populating all of it. Right now there are vast expanses of emptiness. I think once it's done or at least closer to being done the world of Vanguard will be pretty cool. *shrug*
 
I think you are missing the point that in Vanguard the journey is supposed to be part of any "adventure" whereas in WoW it's just something you have to endure to get to your ph4tz collecting.

I guess I just "don't get it". Perhaps I've been permanently scarred... :'(
 
All I know is that bards can unleash epic levels of rape in pvp, I got three shotted by one that was only three levels higher than me as a shaman.
 
I had a rogue rape my disciple on the original PvP server. I am still playing around on the PvE server atm but the Bard I group with regularly does crazy dmg. I haven't grouped with a monk or a ranger but he easily outdmgs rogues because of the buffs from his song. A rogue w/ bardsong on would probably be insane dps though. Yesterday he said something about his stats being fucked up so he gets owned by same level shit now whereas my cleric can solo +3-4 shit that doesn't stun or heal. So I dunno~
 
Bards get to compose and name their own songs, I was grouped yesterday with a bard singing "donkey rape."

Edit: Here are some pretty HQ screens I took of my shaman with all the settings turned up. This was very difficult to do because it nearly cause my computer to catch on fire. (notice how it went from day to night in the time it took me to take these three screenshots)

http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00010.JPG
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00011.JPG
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00012.JPG
 
That's pretty-fucking-awesome. Really wanna give this a go, but they're being tight with European beta codes. Pah.

P.S. silly boobs.
 
Hrm I have the 29th of jan - 2nd of feb off followed by the 7th-9th of feb... Sooo either get a Draenei to 30-40ish or suffer through the horrid vanguard launch... So many decisions.

What level are you guys up to on the PvP server Runned? I got my cleric to 15 before giving into the urge to get my alts on yet again. So far I am still leading with the cleric as the class I will probably play at release. I made a little goblin monk yesterday it's pretty entertaining. You have this weird Jin shit that you earn up sorta like combo points in WoW except that they decay more like rage. You have a few more powerful moves and self buffs that use Jin instead of energy. I am not sure if this will account for all of your moves through to max level or if you start getting moves that use energy later. I didn't get an energy bar until level 5 though I dunno if that's a bug or what.

Last patch they implemented some graphics changes so now my cleric looks utterly retarded. Her shield is about twice as wide as her body and it's like bright yellow and silver. They also made her mace look all skinny and useless instead of like the big baby seal clubbing thing she had before.

from:
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to:
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I am wearing the exact same gear in both pics.

Saddens me.
 
Her shield is now as big as her boobs. Her mace is now as big as my cock. The patches in this game confuse me.
 
Before the update all the shields and spears looked the same, I'm glad all my upgrades from now on won't have the same retarded look.

We are both 15 right now, will probably get 16 tonight.
 
Hrm, I'm kind of tempted to redownload the beta. But I'm afraid to be in for a bad surprise if the game is no better than it was in phase 2. Grouping was silly, warriors had no reliable agro control, and most of the time I was just better off soloing stuff 2-4 levels higher by using Primal Rage exploits.
 
Haven't played a warrior much. I know that in groups where we have had a dreadknight it was much much easier to kill things than when one of the light melees or my cleric was tanking.
 
More HQ screens for those who are interested:

At level 15 Shaman's have to choose a patron spirit to follow: The Wolf, The Bear, or The Phoenix. With each patron you get the ability to transform yourself into an avatar of whichever creature you chose as well as gain the ability to summon a pet in the likeness of said patron. I chose the Phoenix because they seemed to be the best suited for pvp, while the others looked as if they would be best suited pve. The description said I get some pretty neat nukes, resists, and a pet that has low HP but nukes as well.

So far it seems all pets are broken, since they all have about the same HP and do the same amount of damage. I was talking to another shaman about this who chose the wolf patron, there aren't many that stick with this class because they are a pain to play until later levels. I'm glad they nerfed (but then fixed) bloodmages because after the hump of 1-15 the shaman class is pretty neat and I will most likely play it once the game goes live.


Also for some reason I have a constant flame on my crotch - or my wing in phoenix form, I don't know why. I bug reported it earlier so hopefully it gets fixed.

Anyway, here you go:

EEAAAGGGLEEEEEE
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00013.JPG
And we're off!
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00014.JPG
Flying again...
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00015.JPG
I flew around to the left and headed toward the beacon
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00016.JPG
Some wicked ruins and an elephant skeleton :ralph:
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00017.JPG
There are actually a lot more trees down there by the river, but since I am so high up it doesn't show them all.
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00018.JPG
I was going to screenshot me landing, but it took me so long I just went afk and made some spaghetti. FIRECROTCH!
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00019.JPG
Elvis Mage
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00020.JPG
Elvis Gnome
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00021.JPG
Hellow ladies 8-)
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00022.JPG
Same SS but will leave it in for continuity
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00023.JPG
Neat swords, I've seen a bard use them - not sure what they are called though.
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00024.JPG
:yiff:
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00025.JPG
This was suppose to be a picture of a gigantic mosquito that I aggrod but it moved off screen
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00026.JPG
Turned UI on to see how well I was doing...
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00027.JPG
Some wyverns on my way back to my corpse
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00028.JPG
My horse again since you couldn't see his gimpy tail in the last screen I took of him
http://www.notaddicted.com/images/woodshelf/BetaScreens/ScreenShot_00029.JPG

Just wanted to add: The Phoenix doesn't actually fly, it levitates. I managed to wall climb a mountain and levitated off to take these aerial shots.
 
It could be intended for phoenix shamans to have crotch burns, who knows. I think it looks pretty neat. Cat boobs = gross. Yes I took the fire panties off and put them on my horse so I would not chafe.
 
haha the flaming crotch is pretty cool. How well does the shaman solo? Looking at their abilities it seems like they would do as good if not better than the cleric but I am not sure how well it works out in practice.
 
DPS sucks balls, but I can stay alive for a very very long time. Great against casters, because they usually go OOM before I even hit 80% mana just healing myself. I have problems with melee DPS, but so far I have only been killed by a bard. Bards are way too imbo at this time, dual wielding 200 damage a hit plus a 400 damage hit every 10 seconds or so at level seventeen - there isn't a class in the game right now that can stand up against that kind of damage with the 5 level PVP ruleset.

Since Arri is a necromancer and our dots stack, our combined DPS is pretty amazing and in most cases can take out a bard if we're not in a really laggy place without much trouble. Right now all fights are determined by who has a bard in their group, or who has the most bards - it's pretty retarded. Hopefully they'll get scaled a little more before release. If not, I suggest everyone roll one for maximum griefing!
 
Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Open Beta is available as of yesterday

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