Question - TOV group content - changing group setup

[krause]

sooooo

after doing TOV heroics for some days I came to the point that I have (in my opinion) not enough healing power in my group. Atm I run

warrior, cleric, enchanter, mage, mage, wizard

My group is 115 and around 30k aas. I still have lotsa problems healing the heroics with just my cleric (using sics kiss .ini and tried mq2heals the last days both arnt just enough with a single cleric healing).

I guess I will try to change 1 dps for another healer type. My first idea was to change the wizard or 1 of the mages for a druid.

Maybe some of you guys got some experience with a similiar group setup and can help me with an advice what to change for what.

Thankies ladies!

 

[Fueil]

I've not been into TOV yet, but with your group setup dropping a mage or the wizard, you could add a beast for spot heals, plus get some great overall dps/buffs your group doesn't have. If you feel like the best won't be enough, add a shaman as a spot healer and have him do full dots, you'll get great mana management with canni plus good buffs. Or you could go the druid route, so you still have a porter, plus get wild blaze aura for extra dps, some good spot heals, but I feel their mana management isn't amazing.

So, if you feel like you can just get spot heals add a beast. If not go shaman.

For me, personally overall I would add the beast and give it a shot. Worse case you end up making another toon!

Best of luck!

 

[drawthow]

I'm running War, Clr, Brd, Bst, Ber, Ber all 115 all Max AA's tank in all T3 TOV group gear the rest 25 to 50% T3 TOV. I have just started being able to tank 3 mobs in the 1st tier TOV zones. But tried Kale night before last and could not tank a named and 1 add. I was thinking about dropping the Bst for a Shm for my group.

 

[eqtrader74]

Druid is the best backup healer for caster DPS group. Great mana regen via skin and group black wolf, plus big nuke crit bonuses for group & fire/ice nuke multipliers when they do Burn.

BST and ranger can both fill backup healer role very well too. They both tend to buff melee toons better though. BST pet can get some nice bonus dps from pet gear and mage pet aura/theft of essence stuff. Shaman can backup heal super well with up to 3 stacking HoTs, but again they tend to buff melee toons, not caster dps.

Enchanters can also have a [Heal] section if you want to use them as backup heals with their runes.

 

[edsarto]

I'm running War, Clr, Brd, Bst, Ber, Ber all 115 all Max AA's tank in all T3 TOV group gear the rest 25 to 50% T3 TOV. I have just started being able to tank 3 mobs in the 1st tier TOV zones. But tried Kale night before last and could not tank a named and 1 add. I was thinking about dropping the Bst for a Shm for my group.

You wont regret dropping the beast for a Shammy. You will find even if you have Shammy in DPS mode, it will give you the extra healing you are looking for.

 

[krause]

thankies for some good advices here

 

[vsab]

Are your pets taunting? If I struggle with healing a named a pet taunt helps. I run with mage and 2 wizzies, mage is kept only for taunt these days since another wiz would be more alliance procs!

 

[wymranar]

I would recommend the SHM is you’re having trouble with healing. My SHM actually destroys Sic’s cleric on the AH healing parse. He just runs renewal (mainly for synergy) , diss lion, and squall for heals. I can’t tell you how important squall is. It’s fast recast/efficient, it heals every 3 sec, which is about as fast as a mob hits. It can also benefit from twin cast if you want it to. I also have triple reckless memne

you’ll also never run out of mana, and dps with dots is just ok.

 

[wymranar]

What’s your tank’s stats? Buffed within your group, but without temp buffs like SHM growth, paragon champ, etc

 

[Sylanos]

Yeah, my SK is in full ToV TS gear, and he tanks just fine even when I mess up and pull 3 or 4 or even 5 (with just cleric healing me). Obviously it requires some button pushing on def discs and epic and such....but he generally does just fine and we survive until the chanter can get things locked down or we can burn through a few adds. I've done Kael hero mission and have no problem tanking all the adds and Avatar at the end until we kill him.

 

[drawthow]

What’s your tank’s stats? Buffed within your group, but without temp buffs like SHM growth, paragon champ, etc

With just Clr and self buffs I'm at

 

[Sylanos]

Ok so I have about 100k hps and 600 ac on you. But I’ve done all progression from TDS onward on my tank so I have a lot of heroic aa’s.

 

[drawthow]

Ok so I have about 100k hps and 600 ac on you. But I’ve done all progression from TDS onward on my tank so I have a lot of heroic aa’s.

wow didn't realize the heroic aa's gave you that much need to go back and do them

 

[Sylanos]

Well I’m not saying that’s all of the difference. But it definitely does make a difference.

 

[wymranar]

What type 5s do you have?

 

[krause]

Thank you all.

For me its mainly not my tank dieing its more when my group gets aoe dmg like its in some of the heroics.

 

[wymranar]

I've switched to hsta type 5s on all chars except melee (hdex) , because of recent ae damage

 

[Tovin]

Your stats imply that your type 5s are severely lacking, which is a big component of your inability to tank difficult content. My SK, albeit raid geared, has 2600 hDex. The difference between raid gear and group gear is at most 10hDex per item, plus Artisan’s Prize + Nathsar Diamond (which probably accounts for another 150 hDex over group equivalents). Working backwards from that, you ought to be able to achieve ~2250hDex with the best augments available from ToV. Rewind even further to TBL, and you might be around 1800 hDex. Swap out hDex for hSta if you so choose.

You’re sitting at 1128 hSta. You’re behind by nearly 700 points. This is your biggest problem. I’m assuming you’re using some combination of TBM / EoK / RoS type 5 and type 7/8 augs.

I recommend you go back and revisit the TBL missions. Run them all over and over until you have a full set of Type 5 augs on your tank. Meanwhile, boost your Type 7 augs along the way. Use lamps from TBL to make Secret Dawn Gem of Security / Adroitness / Vigor. Do the same with ToV ore from the missions you are currently able to beat in order to make the Velium Infused Gem of Security / Adroitness / Vigor. Also make a Velium Infused Proficiency (or whatever the hSta equivalent is of the tradeskill made type 5 aug). Remember the Velium Infused Gem of Security can go in your Charm / Ranged slot if you don’t have the Anniversary Aug (Extruded Black Pearl) or the Relife Adornment (TBM Paragon).

Additionally, be sure to drop an empowered campfire in the mission for the better stats. If you don’t have any trophies on your tank, consider going back and securing trophies from EoK / RoS / TBL collectibles. These add a lot of AC/HME/heroics. You’ll also get your heroic AAs (which add to +ac and other benefits) along the way. A Cliff Stone power source from RoS or TBL is also really important for tough fights if you aren’t using one.

Once you’ve done some or all of these, I’d be surprised if you still need a second healer.

 

[wymranar]

@Tovin , whats your reasoning behind stacking hdex over hsta? Also, do the changes to strike through affect your decision?

 

[Tovin]

@Tovin , whats your reasoning behind stacking hdex over hsta? Also, do the changes to strike through affect your decision?

I do it because my tank is an SK and I want to do the maximum damage i can possibly do, particularly because often times on an SK damage = healing for the lifeleech. In the case of a warrior, you’re just fine doing hSTA.

I find that despite the changes to strikethrough, my SK ripostes a TON on group content. I don’t really have a problem tanking anything so for me the best thing I can do is maximize my DPS. I haven’t done the parses, but the general consensus is that hDex = more procs which, in the case of the SK, is also more healing and more damage.

 

[hellfyre]

If ae damage is your main problem, I'd have the enchanter start buffing runes on everybody to help take the edge off.

 

[drawthow]

Thank you, everyone, for the input. I haven't completed really any missions at all in any expansion. I just started playing again last Oct. The last expansion I really played in was OOW. Had not really focused on augs about half of them are probably from TBM exp.

@krause sorry to hijack your post.

 

[q8reflex]

With just Clr and self buffs I'm at

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My remarks

- Low on AC, just about TBL standard.
- VERY LOW on hAGI, even lower to what TBL needs. I'd say to tank safely in ToV you need at least 1600 hAGI. I don't care about other heroic stats for a Warrior, they will add up and normally lower than my hAGI target by average 20%. (Check the figures in the picture and do the math)
- Is your cleric fit for ToV? enough needed AA's? do you get up to 90 or 100% healing necklace? do you have the fast healing RK2 spells? are you using the CORRECT Mac or Plugin for your cleric?
- Which mob/named you felt lacking for? is it a melee or spell dps landing on you and group? such notes can affect how you round up your warrior at least in a balanced way.
- What most said about Heroics AA's like Fortitude and such is the lastest bang for the buck, make sure you do them.
- Some mentioned the new campfire boost, i tried it and it works! also consider some stats food for more AC and maybe heroic points.
- Make sure you buff your warrior with Cleric Shining spell line, or Growth from Shamans (That's your lack of hSTA taken care of).
- I had your problem when i started progressing in ToV, adding a shaman to my group completed the circle. Now i smish with War - CLR - All Zerkerz.

 

[Almafa]

sooooo

after doing TOV heroics for some days I came to the point that I have (in my opinion) not enough healing power in my group. Atm I run

warrior, cleric, enchanter, mage, mage, wizard

My group is 115 and around 30k aas. I still have lotsa problems healing the heroics with just my cleric (using sics kiss .ini and tried mq2heals the last days both arnt just enough with a single cleric healing).

I guess I will try to change 1 dps for another healer type. My first idea was to change the wizard or 1 of the mages for a druid.

Maybe some of you guys got some experience with a similiar group setup and can help me with an advice what to change for what.

Thankies ladies!

I use SHD/ENC/DRU/SHM/MAG combo with a cleric merc. Even if the cleric merc dies I have plenty of heals to keep me alive. So the group could even work without a cleric merc with another DPS - I just don't want to spend more money on EQ. SHM is set up to heal around 75%, druid around 45%, Cleric merc is on reactive.

I have been playing the SHD/ENC/ DRU for several years now and they are maxed on aa. Gear is fairly poor, GOM & TOV Tier I, poor augs.

The MAG/SHM have around 30k aas and poor gear, I am just getting them out of Heroic gear. I was surprised that even this poorly equiped shaman can heal really well. I can surely recommend it for backup healer. DPS will be poor, does around 30k, but staying alive worth it...

So, Shaman for backup heals and remove a DPS will help your team survive. Druid could possibly work too...mine has a different role and I never tested it.