Problem - Pulling with Rogue not working very well

Cupcake · Apr 26, 2017

I have had rogue pull with a bow, and with an aa dagger throw - and for some reason the rogue doesn't come back to group all the time. I also notice that KA is changing my camp radius to 180, which would explain my rogue is going ALL over the place

Also, my rogue is pulling one mob, and when it does bring it to camp... Pulls another right away (if I'm using bow), before it even engages whats in camp and is engaged.

Rich (BB code):

[General]
KissAssistVer=9.2.3
Role=Assist
CampRadius=10
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=1
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=15
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=0
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=8
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=1
CharInfo=Rogue|105
CastingInterruptOn=0
DPSMeter=0
MiscGemRemem=1
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LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist
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AssistAt=99
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AE2=NULL
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AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL
AE6=NULL
AE7=NULL
AE8=NULL
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AE10=NULL
AESize=10
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DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=2
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Heals5=NULL
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[Pull]
PullWith=melee
MaxRadius=500
MaxZRange=10
PullWait=2
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2
PullLevel=0|0
[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=1
[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=1
MercAssistAt=100
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ctaylor22 · Apr 26, 2017

I would set:

Role=puller
CampRadius=35
MeleeDistance=75
PullWith=Ranged Item Name|Ammo Name

Make sure all XTargets are set to auto. make sure your puller is NOT the MainAssist of the group.

eqholic · Apr 26, 2017

ctaylor22 said:
... make sure your puller is NOT the MainAssist of the group.

How would you set up a group with tank,enc +some more where I manualy play the enc and pull with it ?

ctaylor22 · Apr 26, 2017

Bottom line your puller should never be MainAssist(MA). I am referring to any character that pulls and does not tank the mob. You should have a tank and that is who the puller should /assist. If you are manually playing a character have all in the group should target your tank and start kissassist. Create an assist hot key that does /assist nameofyourtankgoeshere, then do your thing.

Pull a mob and the tank should engage it when it gets into range, at that point on the puller hit your hot key and your all set.

Cupcake · Apr 26, 2017

I've actually had those setting in there too, I"ll run it tomorrow with those exact settings. My warrior is the assist, and I use the line /mac kissassist puller but I will change it and see how it goes.

Something I also failed to report is that the rogue was pulling double... when I used bow|arrow name, it would bow something, it would come to camp, rogue would target something else and pull it too.. chain pulling wasn't on, etc.. some times after the first of 3 aggro mobs would die, rogue would pull another =\

I was thinking they were probably all related.

fuzzymelon · Apr 26, 2017

I recommend pulling with the Throw Stone disc instead of ranged - it can't cause enough damage for them to summon.

eqholic · Apr 27, 2017

ctaylor22 said:
Bottom line your puller should never be MainAssist(MA). I am referring to any character that pulls and does not tank the mob. You should have a tank and that is who the puller should /assist. If you are manually playing a character have all in the group should target your tank and start kissassist. Create an assist hot key that does /assist nameofyourtankgoeshere, then do your thing.

Pull a mob and the tank should engage it when it gets into range, at that point on the puller hit your hot key and your all set.

I see, thanks. Unfortunately this precludes the use of /chaseon when manualy playing a char that doesn't tank.

Cupcake · Apr 27, 2017

So to be precise... my group consists of my Rogue who is the puller (The ini has her as assist, but I use /mac kissassist puller - which should work, right?), and a warrior set as tank using /mac kissassist tank.

The rogue will pull one to camp, tank engages, rogue pulls another mob anyways. Sometimes when the rogue comes back to camp, the rogue doesn't come right back to where camp is... almost too far away for the tank to engage.

When watching the rogue pull, the pull range gets set to 180, regardless of what I have changed it to in the macro - that's what it changed to when I was using arc|ethereal arrow, I changed it to an aa dagger throw, and that didn't make it any better, and I changed to to melee, and the dam thing said pull range auto changed to 15.......

something in that code is messed up. I can't even pull mobs 200 units/feet in front of me.. ever...

eqholic · Apr 27, 2017

On tank: /target yourself, /mac kissassist tank then on ROG: /target tank, /kissassist puller

Inkie · Apr 27, 2017

I *think* it's changing castradius and not camp radius. I believe it's drawing a circle on the map that shows how far your pull tool can reach (bow: 160, melee: 15, etc.)

I would recommend the following changes:
MeleeDistance: 50 - this is how close a mob has to get before the character tries to melee, with it at 150 as soon as the mob is 150 units away the character tries to go melee
CampRadius: 30 - the smaller the camp is, the easier it is for mobs to be melee'ing on you but outside of the campradius and prevent your group from engaging

If your puller is going past obvious mobs you may want to up your MaxZRange, 10 has worked for me on concrete like surfaces but any outdoor zone with any terrain at all (and if you add in lev) it is easy for a mob to be too high or low and get missed.

Cupcake · Apr 27, 2017

OK, Rogue still training group (pulling when there are already mobs in camp) Deleted my ini file and generated a new one. It defaults with CampRadius=30 (I don't see how that will effect pulling while a mob is in camp).

Rich (BB code):

[General]
KissAssistVer=9.2.3
Role=Puller
CampRadius=30
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=1
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=20
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=0
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
CastingInterruptOn=0
EQBCOn=0
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=8
MiscGemRemem=1
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=0
CharInfo=Rogue|105|GOLD
DPSMeter=0
[SpellSet]
LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist
[Buffs]
BuffsOn=0
BuffsSize=20
Buffs1=NULL
Buffs2=NULL
Buffs3=NULL
Buffs4=NULL
Buffs5=NULL
Buffs6=NULL
Buffs7=NULL
Buffs8=NULL
Buffs9=NULL
Buffs10=NULL
Buffs11=NULL
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=NULL
Buffs14=NULL
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=NULL
Buffs18=NULL
Buffs19=NULL
Buffs20=NULL
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=10
PowerSource=NULL
[Melee]
AssistAt=98
MeleeOn=1
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll rear
AutoFireOn=0
UseMQ2Melee=1
AutoHide=1
[GMail]
GMailHelp=Events currently support - Dead,GM,Level,Named,Leftgroup
GMailOn=0
GMailSize=5
GMail1=NULL
GMail2=NULL
GMail3=NULL
GMail4=NULL
GMail5=NULL
[AE]
AEOn=0
AESize=10
AERadius=50
AE1=NULL
AE2=NULL
AE3=NULL
AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL
AE6=NULL
AE7=NULL
AE8=NULL
AE9=NULL
AE10=NULL
[DPS]
DPSOn=0
DPSSize=20
DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=2
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DPS2=NULL
DPS3=NULL
DPS4=NULL
DPS5=NULL
DPS6=NULL
DPS7=NULL
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL
DPS16=NULL
DPS17=NULL
DPS18=NULL
DPS19=NULL
DPS20=NULL
DebuffAllOn=0
[Aggro]
AggroOn=0
AggroSize=5
Aggro1=NULL
Aggro2=NULL
Aggro3=NULL
Aggro4=NULL
Aggro5=NULL
[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=0
HealsSize=5
Heals1=NULL
Heals2=NULL
Heals3=NULL
Heals4=NULL
Heals5=NULL
XTarHeal=0
XTarHeal2=0
HealGroupPetsOn=0
[Cures]
CuresOn=0
CuresSize=5
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
Cures4=NULL
Cures5=NULL
[Burn]
BurnSize=15
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Burn2=NULL
Burn3=NULL
Burn4=NULL
Burn5=NULL
Burn6=NULL
Burn7=NULL
Burn8=NULL
Burn9=NULL
Burn10=NULL
Burn11=NULL
Burn12=NULL
Burn13=NULL
Burn14=NULL
Burn15=NULL
UseTribute=0
[Pull]
PullWith=Arc|Ethereal Arrow
MaxRadius=350
MaxZRange=50
PullWait=5
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2
PullLevel=0|0
[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0
[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

ctaylor22 · Apr 27, 2017

Don't worry about what you see CastRadius set to. The Pull routine uses the PullRange field to check if your within range of the mob you are pulling. In your case the 180 sounds about right. Your PullRange should be 90% of your ranged items(Arc) range.

It sounds like you puller(rogue) either does not see the mobs in camp. or does not have your tank set as his mainassist.

Try and capture a debug of kiss starting up and see what it says about "I am puller. Kissassisting >> Tank Name Here << at 98%

The puller will only take off to pull another mob when all Xtargets are cleared and there are no mobs in combatradius. If he takes off to pull a mob then check and see if there are any XTargets active, you need to make sure ALL XTargets are set to Auto just to test this.

The other thing to test is the Kissassist_info.ini file and find the zone entry for your current zone. Make sure MobsToIgnore=NULL and MobsToPull=ALL

Cupcake · May 3, 2017

New version of kiss took care of whatever was happening....

Now if ya'll could just make this work...

TwistMed=3

Never works on the bard.

ctaylor22 · May 3, 2017

Cupcake said:
New version of kiss took care of whatever was happening....

Now if ya'll could just make this work...

TwistMed=3

Never works on the bard.

Good to hear,

Find the DoWeMed routine and find this code:

Rich (BB code):

                | bards twisting while others fighting negate fast med 
                /if (${IAmBard} && (!${AggroTargetID} || ${MedCombat})) {
                    /if (${Twist}) /squelch /twist off
                    /delay 10
                    /squelch /twist ${TwistMed}
                }

Just replace the highlighted code.

Cupcake · May 3, 2017

It's just playing whatever song was last being twisted, still doesn't play the song that is in spell slot 3 (which is mana song)

ctaylor22 · May 3, 2017

It will only play the song when they need to med.. Not that familiar with bards...

Cupcake · May 3, 2017

ctaylor22 said:
It will only play the song when they need to med.. Not that familiar with bards...

I forced it into med mode a few times by hitting fading memories.... it sat and med, but did not twist song #3.. it twisted whatever song was playing last.

ctaylor22 · May 3, 2017

I will have to get me a bard and see if I can figure out what is going on. Want to give me a few tips on playing a Bard?

Edyukated · May 4, 2017

lazy box bards equal /melody (Warmarch of ...), (Aria of...), (Arcane ...), (...song of suffering), (pulse of ...) line up can change due to group setup ie. mostly casters or mostly melee. Lively crescendo and Dichotomic mixed in when available

epic/quicktime/fierce eye clicked on cooldown, can pretty much spam all his DPS AA's too

Boastful Bellow and Displacement aa's and fading memories will be all you really need to pull if you so choose to pull.

selos sonata is the speed buff, some of the bards mez spells will push or pull so careful with those.

insults and fading memories are the mana drains, unless using some of the niche spells like the accelerando line or using craptons of mezzing

and dont forget about the aura's, they replace(to lesser extent)/supplement the (Aria of ...) line or the (pulse of ...) line

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