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Question - Out of Group Assisting w/ CWTN Plugins?

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I have purchased MQ2Eskay, MQ2Berzerker, MQ2Rogue and MQ2Cleric now and absolutely LOVE them all. As long as they are all inside same group, that is.
My intention is to have Zerker and Rogue OUTSIDE the group though. Basically running 8 toons while farming gear and such.

They will not work for me outside group. I can have group running strong and then de-group one or both of them and they go limp and stop assisting at all.

What am I missing?
 
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Out of group assisting is not built in - there are in-plugin methods around it, like using a tank mode, and getting aggro (mob on your xtarget inside your camp), but it is not a thing that these combat suites support directly.

With CTWN plug-ins you can use manual mode and run kissassist for the targeting and such. It seems to help if I put the MT on the ETW, but I can’t explain why. PFM, clearly.
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just know doing this is not recommended and unsupported. you can and will end up with conflicting behavior doing this.

for the cwtn toons to do something like that, you can use a healer with xtarget healing turned on and configured, and then someone (either that healer, or someone else in group) set...
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When I am 2 Group Killing..I like to have 2 tanks Pulling.

Sure - they compete for the same mobs. Always fighting for agro since you have 2 toons set as MA.
But if you balance the 2 groups - then you still end up with the same amount of XP. ie Grp 1 May get XP for Mob 1...but Grp 2 will probably get the XP for Mob 2.

On the Healers -Just setup the Xtar Healing and have the other grp Tank on your Xtar.

The biggest problem doing this is finding a population density that can support 2 groups with one camp.
 
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just know doing this is not recommended and unsupported. you can and will end up with conflicting behavior doing this.

for the cwtn toons to do something like that, you can use a healer with xtarget healing turned on and configured, and then someone (either that healer, or someone else in group) set in tank mode, when the healer heals and gets the mob on xtarget, the tank would then start attacking.

but using an entire, conflicting, macro suite to do that is going to leave to issues and it is impossible to support.

some folks use > assist macro < which shouldn't have any conflicting stuff. you would just have your out-of-group toons run this while in manual mode
instructions are inside the macro. it could be improved with being able to pass a param, but it isn't my resource
INI: 
|Auto assists your groups Main Assist.
|Delete "${Group.MainAssist.Name}" and replace with characters
|name for out of group assist.

there are a few specific reasons why we *dont* already have it built in, for which we don't have a good solution for.

things like mq2XAssist are buggy and some folks report many issues with them - which is why we don't recommend using that

using a full automation suite that potentially can cause issues which would be hard to diagnose is why we don't recommend/suggest the blank kiss ini thing. can a blank kiss ini with usemq2melee=0 work? sure, can and will you potentially have conflicting behavior, yes. - which is why we don't recommend or suggest going that route.

the previously mentioned heal/tank thing is fine way to make it work, I've used that in the times that i've wanted some out-of-group additions.

the raidmode and setting raidassist is also a nice way to achieve what you want, assuming you're not trying to cheese xp to 1 group or whatnot
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Thanks for the more than authoritative perspective. I’m sure there are potential conflicts, but I just wanted to communicate that I personally haven’t run into any while running MQ2bst, MQ2berserker, MQ2Rogue, or MQ2mage. I could definitely see there being an elevated risk of conflicts with stuff like the tank plugins. As it stands, I’ve been running those above plugins in manual mode with a blank kissassist.ini for literally years without any noticeable issues.
 
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Szazor said:
When I am 2 Group Killing..I like to have 2 tanks Pulling.

Sure - they compete for the same mobs. Always fighting for agro since you have 2 toons set as MA.
But if you balance the 2 groups - then you still end up with the same amount of XP. ie Grp 1 May get XP for Mob 1...but Grp 2 will probably get the XP for Mob 2.

On the Healers -Just setup the Xtar Healing and have the other grp Tank on your Xtar.

The biggest problem doing this is finding a population density that can support 2 groups with one camp.
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Any idea how much loss of the xp if 2 group form a raid??
 
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too much...so I never bother.
I have had 54 in DN doing the Dragon, or Farming the COV Luck Augs - You will ding a few aa here and there...but nothing to make it worth while sitting and grinding as a raid.
 
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I got some number from the past discussion and do some calculation.

- Mob_A is worth 100 'units' of Exp. - Zone Experience Modifier (ZEM) is 10% Group of 6 kills Mob_A Mob_A is worth 100 * 1.10 [ZEM 10%] * 1.80 [group bonus 80%] = 198 units Each person earns 198/5 = 39.60 units [group gets 6th person free, so exp is divided by 5] Raid of 6 kills Mob_A Mob_A is worth 100 * 1.10 [ZEM 10%] = 110 units Each person earns 110/6 = 18.33 units

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I get rid of any pulling situation first, the Exp earn in an hour varies from Time to Kill in second, when your raid of 12 kills 4 times faster than a group of 6, the Exp earn in an hour is close. How faster can you kill :P
 
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RogueOne said:
I have read a couple of threads regarding this subject, but still can't find a solution. I am trying to run a pure dps group and I have my tank/healer in another group. I want the DPS group to assist the Tank that is out of group and I don't know how to do this. I'm thinking there is probably a way via EQBC or maybe just running a blank KA INI to assist? I think raid mode only works if in raid if I'm not mistaken. Any info would be greatly appreciated and thanks for the time!
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I haven't read all the responses on this thread so i'm sorry if i'm repeating info. I do something very similar to what your trying to do. I usually have toons in one group grinding out AA's or EXP and in a seperate group i have either heals or extra dps from toons that dont need the exp or aa. All i do is assign one toon in the extra group in your case that would be your DPS group as a main assist. The toon you assigned as main assist in your DPS group will be using an INI file ( i usually have the "melee assist at" set to 99) and you will target the tank in the other group and hit your kissassist hot button so that you assist him even though he is outside of group. Once the tank takes a mob down one percent to 99 your toon in the DPS group assisting him will start attacking. Since that toon is designated as main assist, all the rest of the dps toons you have in your group will start attacking the same mob. Most often when i do this the remaining toons in the DPS group would be on a payed plugin set on assist mode or if they are running an ini file then they have already targeted the main assist in group and hit the kissassist button to assist him... either way they start to attack :)
 
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Thanks for your input everyone, there are definitely many ways to achieve this as indicated by this discussion

unfortunately, this thread is just going to get bumped until infinity and folks won't read the important bits as many folks don't even look at the post above their own response, let alone several back.

Please reference this if you're curious about out of group assisting:

if/when we have changes that allow for specific out of group assisting they will be in the updates and folks will know about it.
 
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I was wondering if there was anyway now, for MQ2 plugin toons, to assist out of group? I would like to have my toons that are max AA in the tank group and the ones I need AA for in another, to get exp faster. I can do it with just using kissassist, but not sure if they added that ability to the MQ2 plugins. Just testing them on the Test server, but gonna buy them soon. The shaman one is ridiculous, you could never do that manually lol. The mob is debuffed, slowed and dotted in a blink and my tank stays at 100% health pretty much lol. Fantastic work!
 
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has anyone found anything great that works with CWTN plugins that will say get your mage or bstlord to assist outside of group and attack and all that at a certain percentage? asking for everyone.
 
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yes ive seen that one, not sure if you have to install something else in order for it to work? there was a simple text mac that worked before was wondering if that was still around
 
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add the mage to the group hit assist then remove the mage an he will work outa group. or have 2 out side of group in there own group and just have one puler tank and small pull radius, the second group will try to pull the same mob your main group pulls they will add dps for ya or heals ..
 
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I have 9 characters that I want to work together in a camp spot to kill mobs. I am PLing and grinding AA's but I want to kill faster. The 6 in the group and 3 extras just helping kill mobs. Is there a way to set this up so all 9 characters jump in and assist the main tank of the group?
 
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Ordee98 said:
I have 9 characters that I want to work together in a camp spot to kill mobs. I am PLing and grinding AA's but I want to kill faster. The 6 in the group and 3 extras just helping kill mobs. Is there a way to set this up so all 9 characters jump in and assist the main tank of the group?
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please see the sticky

Please see >>> Getting Started with CWTN plugins! (Movement, UI Window, Clickies, Pulling, ETC) Check Here First! <<<

I merged your thread into the existing thread on it - which is in the sticky, please make sure to check there first. several solutions in this thread
 
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Kegans said:
Can I use a rogue or cleric out of group to assist damage on xtarg or heal a xtarg using mq2rogue or mq2 cleric?
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Not assisting from outside the group. You can set the cleric to XTarget Heals and he will heal and if he does then the group will get aggro and if your Rogue is assisting the cleric then he will attack.

But you could use the outassist Lua on the Rogue to have him assist at a given target percent hp.

 
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