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If you byos'd, it is still meh @durango773 wanna share?
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I can load some parse (when i get home) that the plugin used it on. It is a good nuke, just the ratio on it sucks (as you mentioned). I havent looked to make sure its GoM triggered, but 100% uses it.
they don't interrupt as other's are also casting, before casting we check the buff isn't on the mob
but if it is already on the mob and then they're starting the cast, something is wrong and i'll take a peak.
thanks
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Speculation only goes so far. Pure dps is not the only thing we consider either. You also have things like mana efficiency and sustainable DPS over pure burst DPS etc. anyone can smash all their buttons and make big numbers, but to truly be a whizhard larry you must go beyond seeing the biggest possible number in 30 seconds.
yah imagine if we made changes based on every wild speculative msg we got lololololol
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Ok I may be a little confused here. I am not sure if malamber is being speculative that casting some spells while ITC is running is gonna be less DPS or is being speculative about the spells being cast while ITC is running.
Claw was mentioned so I'll take that example. Claw line of spells should be cast as much as possible during normal rotations and normal settings etc. and this plugin seems to be doing that just fine. The claw line of spells should never be cast when ITC is running mainly due to the 'goal' of claw line is to proc twincast. If ITC is running no claw should be cast because the twincast procced from claw will not land due to ITC already on you and there are better spells to cast when you have ITC running, mainly the three ethereals. I have not ran this plugin in a raid setting, the wizard is my main raid toon and i never roll with MQ in the raid and I enjoy raiding and playing the toon in that situation etc. If the claim is that the plugin is casting claw while ITC is running then that needs to be changed.
For vortex it can be argued for or against casting it during ITC burns. In a raid it will increase overall raid dps with it's aDPS component but make your personal dps slightly lower for the burn. I personally include it during burns because more overall raid dps is good for everyone imo.
Flashroast shouldn't come up during a burn because rotating through the ethereals and plait and the couple of vortexes you'll be able to use you shouldn't be able to cram in an instant even with no lag.
If this is something I need to test let me know but I have only tested in group grinding situation and really only to the extent to see how long term grind compared to other wiz automation solutions. A quick glance through my log and noting when ITC burns were popped due to named mobs doesn't show any claw casts. This also might be due to the fact that the named mobs didn't really last long enough to look at the ITC rotation, and I didn't really look through it that hard.
I also probably added to the speculation by trying to clear up the speculation because I am speculating on what the original speculation was about.
Also I have a question about the /wiz portal command functionality, this might not do what i originally assumed was to take you to the portal screen in the ui window. I am now unsure what it is supposed to do and looking at the druid FAQ leaves me more confused. Do I just need to watch the druid video and that might explain it?
Claw was mentioned so I'll take that example. Claw line of spells should be cast as much as possible during normal rotations and normal settings etc. and this plugin seems to be doing that just fine. The claw line of spells should never be cast when ITC is running mainly due to the 'goal' of claw line is to proc twincast. If ITC is running no claw should be cast because the twincast procced from claw will not land due to ITC already on you and there are better spells to cast when you have ITC running, mainly the three ethereals. I have not ran this plugin in a raid setting, the wizard is my main raid toon and i never roll with MQ in the raid and I enjoy raiding and playing the toon in that situation etc. If the claim is that the plugin is casting claw while ITC is running then that needs to be changed.
For vortex it can be argued for or against casting it during ITC burns. In a raid it will increase overall raid dps with it's aDPS component but make your personal dps slightly lower for the burn. I personally include it during burns because more overall raid dps is good for everyone imo.
Flashroast shouldn't come up during a burn because rotating through the ethereals and plait and the couple of vortexes you'll be able to use you shouldn't be able to cram in an instant even with no lag.
If this is something I need to test let me know but I have only tested in group grinding situation and really only to the extent to see how long term grind compared to other wiz automation solutions. A quick glance through my log and noting when ITC burns were popped due to named mobs doesn't show any claw casts. This also might be due to the fact that the named mobs didn't really last long enough to look at the ITC rotation, and I didn't really look through it that hard.
I also probably added to the speculation by trying to clear up the speculation because I am speculating on what the original speculation was about.
Also I have a question about the /wiz portal command functionality, this might not do what i originally assumed was to take you to the portal screen in the ui window. I am now unsure what it is supposed to do and looking at the druid FAQ leaves me more confused. Do I just need to watch the druid video and that might explain it?
no thanks :p
well, i dunno - I think it is pretty silly to have two portal windows, but i did put the code in there to mimic what druid was already doing because some folks liked it and it doesn't *really* hurt anything.
i'll take a look at it tomorrow and see if there is something not working as expected
Speculative is a great word, yea? You expanded on my... speculation... very well, thank you. Now to try to get it changed to really maximize DPS during ITC burns. Obviously, opinions will vary and I don't mind being wrong if it means we all benefit from a badass plugin. Everything has room to improve =)
ok i did a much deeper dive into the logs to clear up any remaining speculation malamber. I didn't find a single instance of the plugin casting claw while ITC is running. It is casting vortex but we want it to as per the earlier discussion, even going hard in the paint and forceful rejuvinate for vortex during the burn, nice touch. It isn't casting flashroast either. If your experience is different you may have some BYOS something happening? I would need to see your log or situation where it is casting claw for you during ITC. Also what level are you looking at this from? All my experiences and testing for this etc is 125 maxed out wiz
on the portal window, it wasn't working for me yesterday and if it is supposed to bring up a second window it isn't for me. Yes thinking about it having a second window may seem silly but when you get a chance Sic let me know if it's a me problem or it's not working for everyone etc. Also did you get a chance to add the additional zones to the portal? those were not in there for me either so I may have a problem on my end. I'm pretty sure i have it updated (pre-patch of course I understand eveything is down now etc.)
on the portal window, it wasn't working for me yesterday and if it is supposed to bring up a second window it isn't for me. Yes thinking about it having a second window may seem silly but when you get a chance Sic let me know if it's a me problem or it's not working for everyone etc. Also did you get a chance to add the additional zones to the portal? those were not in there for me either so I may have a problem on my end. I'm pretty sure i have it updated (pre-patch of course I understand eveything is down now etc.)
Speculation and such isn't super helpful for anyone, and frankly a waste of time.
Updates get posted, so if it is in the update history, then it was, if it wasn't, then it hasn't been.
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Speculation is okay as long as you also check to see if your suspicion is true. Speculation without data to back it up is not useful. If you speculate the plugin is doing something it's generally easy to confirm. If you hypothesize there is an improvement by doing xyz then testing it and backing it up with data is more likely to be looked into then "this is probably true based on no data at all"Sure it is... Speculation spurs discussion, which it did. As he stated, the rotation may already cover what I indicated. and again, I don't mind being wrong. What isn't helpful is remaining quiet about thoughts and observations that may or may not contribute to a better product.
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You guys should check Sancus's NOS Wizard Guide and do more parse, no claws in ITC mode is correct no doubt.
Thanks ! reloading the plugin did the trick.
Just ran Spirit Fades with my wizards. Alliance was hitting VERY well. no collisions at all with other wizards. The parse looked very good with alliance but i'll run that a few more times to compare. Much appreciated
Indeed, I can confirm that. I was observing a BYOS spell rotation.
I've read other raiding documents, but I'm always open to new things if you could post it. maybe he has something i haven't seen
One thing to keep in mind for Sancus guide, is the ecliptic fire. Remember that was a NOS guide. Back in nos daybreak changed progressive wizard spells to be twincast able and focusable etc. that made the spell worth casting. In LS daybreak have double the AA boost to ethereal so when your toon is maxed and has robe focus etc the ecliptic fire is worse choice than immolation. I wouldn’t put it in the rotation like the guide suggests. Overall that is a supper good guide though not trying to take anything away from the guide. The ecliptic fire was covered earlier in this thread though just want people to be aware when looking at the guide.
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you can check the sticky or my hotkey guide for an "ass me" button, we're not going to fight stuff that eq doesn't say you're fighting, unless we're already engaged with them (so forcing melee on them will make you do stuff)
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for why
Sounds like a solution in search of a problem that may or may not exist.
It is a non issue.
So no, no toggle.
yeah
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I've been watching the spell rotation and noticed that at 125, Ethereal Ignition (120) is not used even during ITC burns. I've got an audio trigger for ignition, but never hear it. I confirmed the trigger works. Seems like a wasted slot that could be used to keep mail of the crystalwing memmed. That's used quite a lot in conjunction with shield of fate.
Has anyone observed Ethereal Ignition cast?
Has anyone observed Ethereal Ignition cast?
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you can byos if you don't like the loadout, but yes, we do use it
We pair it with Syllable of Fire or Gift of Fire, but obviously we check eth fire 1 first - unless you were in our twincast check, it is also in there without a syllable/gift check
i'll take a look in some actual fights when i get a second, but i just loaded this shitter hwizard up real fast to check this for you)
my bet is, it is just finding better stuff to do before, which makes sense