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messed up part is since i started using this my ranger has not died
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This is my next purchase. thank you all
Damned McGillacuddy's slower that Molasses on a winter's day we Hatfields' Gonna show ya to do it properly We all know Hatfields been on this mountain longer than yinz
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To give people an idea for DPS with this plugin.
No i am not bias, No i didnt mess with the numbers, and yes i let the plugin do its thing
From raid tonight fyi
*Edit: this thing fuxkin rocks!! @Sic @ChatWithThisName Thank you!
No i am not bias, No i didnt mess with the numbers, and yes i let the plugin do its thing
From raid tonight fyi
*Edit: this thing fuxkin rocks!! @Sic @ChatWithThisName Thank you!
you left out if you're happy, sad, indifferent DoubleD seems meh on it
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Love it, I'll be adding this plugin to the collection.
This is not a problem, certainly not a priority, but a tuning suggestion from a McGillacuddy in-law: AA Bulwark of Brownies, and AA Chameleon's Gift are only casting out of combat, and also cast on top of each other (overlap). The expectation is these "buffs" would be cast in combat, in serial, to provide maximum combat utility. Many prefer to use these after stealing agro when AA Cover Tracks is on cool down.
A theoretical example of what kissassist_harriet.ini might look like:
[Aggro]
AggroOn=1
AggroSize=3
Aggro1=Silent Strikes|70|>
Aggro2=Cover Tracks|99|>
Aggro3=Bulwark of the Brownies|100|>
This is not a problem, certainly not a priority, but a tuning suggestion from a McGillacuddy in-law: AA Bulwark of Brownies, and AA Chameleon's Gift are only casting out of combat, and also cast on top of each other (overlap). The expectation is these "buffs" would be cast in combat, in serial, to provide maximum combat utility. Many prefer to use these after stealing agro when AA Cover Tracks is on cool down.
A theoretical example of what kissassist_harriet.ini might look like:
[Aggro]
AggroOn=1
AggroSize=3
Aggro1=Silent Strikes|70|>
Aggro2=Cover Tracks|99|>
Aggro3=Bulwark of the Brownies|100|>
they shouldn't but look like they do (the downtime only part), i'll give a double-check (we very likely won't use cover tracks - we avoid using all (near) of the "dump aggro" abilities automagically for reasons like we only break invis to do stuff under certain circumstances)
but thanks for the notes, i'll take a look at the behavior
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love the plugins as always.
somethings that i noticed
currently the plugin isn't using glyph while burning even with it clicked. also /command byos doesn't stay saved when you camp out.
somethings that i noticed
currently the plugin isn't using glyph while burning even with it clicked. also /command byos doesn't stay saved when you camp out.
thanks, great catches
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Its gone over in video, set stick how to 35 moveback uw
Please don't skip the vid and commands and such.
All in there.
Please see >>> Getting Started with CWTN plugins! (Movement, UI Window, Clickies, Pulling, ETC) Check Here First! <<<
My numbers were looking like I was level 20 or something, I was very disappointed!
Until I realized I was fighting with my fishing pole and bait can equipped. lol
Next you'll say you forgot your fire beetle eye in the bank lolMy numbers were looking like I was level 20 or something, I was very disappointed!
Until I realized I was fighting with my fishing pole and bait can equipped. lol
@Sic I'm absolutely loving this - my original toon from 2000 is now the best dps in my group somehow. Only complaints:
1) I'm not seeing heartshot used often, if at all. What are the conditions to use it? I even have UseDot turned off.
2) I would really like an option for UseHeals and UseNuke. I probably would not disable nukes much, but I have plenty of healing in my group and would prefer the ranger not be wasting time on heals.
3) When I use the /slash commands for UseScarletCheetah and UseSwarmPet they do not remain checked when I log out and in. With a mage in my group, I do want the ranger hitting the swarm pets every time for Barrage of Many.
to be clear - these are nits. I'm so happy this is in prerelease and its an instant purchase for me when it goes full release. Thank you for your hard work on this and looking forward to the last plugins.
1) I'm not seeing heartshot used often, if at all. What are the conditions to use it? I even have UseDot turned off.
2) I would really like an option for UseHeals and UseNuke. I probably would not disable nukes much, but I have plenty of healing in my group and would prefer the ranger not be wasting time on heals.
3) When I use the /slash commands for UseScarletCheetah and UseSwarmPet they do not remain checked when I log out and in. With a mage in my group, I do want the ranger hitting the swarm pets every time for Barrage of Many.
to be clear - these are nits. I'm so happy this is in prerelease and its an instant purchase for me when it goes full release. Thank you for your hard work on this and looking forward to the last plugins.
1. heartshort is used if you have more mana than your nukemanamin
2. adjust your healing values, can change it to 0 or something
3. make sure you're patched - the entries appear correct but i'll look at it (the window appears reflecting incorrect, i'll check
2. adjust your healing values, can change it to 0 or something
3. make sure you're patched - the entries appear correct but i'll look at it (the window appears reflecting incorrect, i'll check
using heartruin as expected so unsure - let me know if you're specific circumstances look different
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Ok, first and foremost TY for finally making the Ranger plugin. Long time Ranger main myself so I do have some input to add for some suggestions, if you don't mind, that could be helpful on startup for those who don't know the class in-depth.
- Per ranger setting to back up 35, is there a way to make another setting to be 35 and inside 50 due to also using melee combat attacks such as Focused Tempest and Roundhouse kicks? This is incase the puller doesn't pull the mob to the correct spot and is outside the 50 from them.
- Add to buff list for self buffs - Luclin's Darkfire Cloak (prev spell line) - When hit, has to chance to lower the mobs stats and helps mitigate dmg incoming. Arbor Stalker's Enrichment (prev spell line) - Increase base damage dealt by skill attacks and is a good group buff to always have on. Maybe both as a setting button to use on/off.
- Spell list that is on the current script could use some changes, suggestions. I don't have Pyroclastic in any of the single nuke spell lines loaded as they don't hit as hard. Yes there use less mana but the reset time isn't worth having on the bar when you mainly use Summer's Torrent (or prev line spell). If you want a spell in the lineup to replace that, i'd suggest using Lunarflare Boon which helps boost the next two fire spells casted. Heartruin is another spell line that I do not carry as it requires a certain arrow to be consumed each cast. Like most rangers that I know, rangers will just use Endless Arrow and keep an Ancient Arrow in their ranged and in their quiver (hidden haste effect by doing that). Also, in your video, you stated about the correct quiver but it also needs to be in your very first base slot (top left inventory slot). Could leave it on there incase someone decided to always make arrows up for it but as for main rangers, any that I know of including myself, do not have that on their spell list. Last spell is Lunar Balm. I don't carry that spell normally unless I'm solo and camping mobs that I'd need to cure myself with. I do have Darkflow and Desperate loaded all the time in any format (group / raid). If anything, Lunar Balm (Cure/heal) could be another setting click to have on/off. Again, these are only suggestions from a high end ranger main. Since you gentleman are not using any of the roots (Blusterbolt, Flusterbolt, Vinelash) these are spells I respect as fillers to be used in the spell lineup.
- BurnAlways is where i'd suggest keeping the Summer's Torrent cycled and casting. Normal group dps, I'd suggest not having it cast constantly. You go through mana fast when you're constantly casting. Yes you do a lot more dmg but you can't really burn constantly when you're LOM. This could be put into useNuke as well to which we don't have that.
- I didn't see hardly any use of Guardian of the Forest with the burn cycle at all. Suggest using Group Guardian of the Forest when burning a named to help the dps inside the group. When outside, in normal group, BOTH Outstrider's Accuracy and Guardian of the Forest (Single) can be used as their down time is 5 and 6 min respectfully. I see they are set to only be used during a burn. Both Group and Single guardian's could be put into a setting button to turn on and off possibly? FYI, Single will override Group but NOT the other way around so might have to put in a parameter to not cast when single is up. Outstrider's Accuracy is another AA that is only used during burns which could help with normal dps in group as well. I do have a KissAssist line setup like that that does a really good job with using them.
- When swarm pets are used and there are multiple mobs, it does not send the swarm pets onto the next mob if one dies. They just stay by your side for the rest of the time. Least they have for me since I've been utilizing it today. (FYI to your vid comment, we use to have 5 wolves before the did the revamp down to 2.)
- If a ranger has his epic 1.5/2.0, that epic should be clicked at all times when/if he does NOT have Steeled Effect running from killing a mob (proc from Steeled by the Hunt buff). That buff is very beneficial to have on whenever possible. It has a 2 min recast so super easy to always have running. Again, possible setting button too. This can be added under the addClicky but if it's not on yourself and the timer on the item is up, it'll keep casting it even if Steeled Effect is up.
Hopefully these things are good input that will help others. If there is anything else that I come upon in the mean time I will repost. Thanks again for all that you guys do!!
- Per ranger setting to back up 35, is there a way to make another setting to be 35 and inside 50 due to also using melee combat attacks such as Focused Tempest and Roundhouse kicks? This is incase the puller doesn't pull the mob to the correct spot and is outside the 50 from them.
- Add to buff list for self buffs - Luclin's Darkfire Cloak (prev spell line) - When hit, has to chance to lower the mobs stats and helps mitigate dmg incoming. Arbor Stalker's Enrichment (prev spell line) - Increase base damage dealt by skill attacks and is a good group buff to always have on. Maybe both as a setting button to use on/off.
- Spell list that is on the current script could use some changes, suggestions. I don't have Pyroclastic in any of the single nuke spell lines loaded as they don't hit as hard. Yes there use less mana but the reset time isn't worth having on the bar when you mainly use Summer's Torrent (or prev line spell). If you want a spell in the lineup to replace that, i'd suggest using Lunarflare Boon which helps boost the next two fire spells casted. Heartruin is another spell line that I do not carry as it requires a certain arrow to be consumed each cast. Like most rangers that I know, rangers will just use Endless Arrow and keep an Ancient Arrow in their ranged and in their quiver (hidden haste effect by doing that). Also, in your video, you stated about the correct quiver but it also needs to be in your very first base slot (top left inventory slot). Could leave it on there incase someone decided to always make arrows up for it but as for main rangers, any that I know of including myself, do not have that on their spell list. Last spell is Lunar Balm. I don't carry that spell normally unless I'm solo and camping mobs that I'd need to cure myself with. I do have Darkflow and Desperate loaded all the time in any format (group / raid). If anything, Lunar Balm (Cure/heal) could be another setting click to have on/off. Again, these are only suggestions from a high end ranger main. Since you gentleman are not using any of the roots (Blusterbolt, Flusterbolt, Vinelash) these are spells I respect as fillers to be used in the spell lineup.
- BurnAlways is where i'd suggest keeping the Summer's Torrent cycled and casting. Normal group dps, I'd suggest not having it cast constantly. You go through mana fast when you're constantly casting. Yes you do a lot more dmg but you can't really burn constantly when you're LOM. This could be put into useNuke as well to which we don't have that.
- I didn't see hardly any use of Guardian of the Forest with the burn cycle at all. Suggest using Group Guardian of the Forest when burning a named to help the dps inside the group. When outside, in normal group, BOTH Outstrider's Accuracy and Guardian of the Forest (Single) can be used as their down time is 5 and 6 min respectfully. I see they are set to only be used during a burn. Both Group and Single guardian's could be put into a setting button to turn on and off possibly? FYI, Single will override Group but NOT the other way around so might have to put in a parameter to not cast when single is up. Outstrider's Accuracy is another AA that is only used during burns which could help with normal dps in group as well. I do have a KissAssist line setup like that that does a really good job with using them.
- When swarm pets are used and there are multiple mobs, it does not send the swarm pets onto the next mob if one dies. They just stay by your side for the rest of the time. Least they have for me since I've been utilizing it today. (FYI to your vid comment, we use to have 5 wolves before the did the revamp down to 2.)
- If a ranger has his epic 1.5/2.0, that epic should be clicked at all times when/if he does NOT have Steeled Effect running from killing a mob (proc from Steeled by the Hunt buff). That buff is very beneficial to have on whenever possible. It has a 2 min recast so super easy to always have running. Again, possible setting button too. This can be added under the addClicky but if it's not on yourself and the timer on the item is up, it'll keep casting it even if Steeled Effect is up.
Hopefully these things are good input that will help others. If there is anything else that I come upon in the mean time I will repost. Thanks again for all that you guys do!!
Howdy Mojo
- you can make a custom stick so it'll take anything that stick can do - check the sticky for the link to that info
- we use procdefense (please check the how to ask for help so i don't have to go and look what our spell grouping is etc), we also use enrichment
- pretty happy on the routine at this time (would suggest checking the how to ask for help thing so you can provide information other than just "i dont use xyz" this is the "my great-great-grandmammy situation". if you want to hit me with some math and support about the information i'm happy to look at it, but it by no means that something would be adjusted.
I haven't heard of it needing to be the 1st top level slot - I'd like some confirmation on that before i change things; that does sound pretty darn important so if that is factual, i sincerely appreciate that correction.
- dont intent on using usenuke at this time - you can adjust your nukemanamin if you needed - i'll remember that it came up again as a request however.
- we use OA -> GGotF -> GoF, and it works well per the feedback from my testing, and the other "high-end rangers" that i've had test it. we're going to save these for burns and i don't suspect that i'll change that (there is the burnalways if you always want to burn fullstop)
- thanks, we send swarmies with pet attack function, but obviously, rangers dont do that, but i can add sending swarm pets in. so this definitely needs to be added
- we do use epic when you dont have steeled (mq says it stacks but it doesn't) - this change might not have gotten built yet - but it was a thing done a couple days ago from @durango773
keep in mind, while we're happy with how things are - that doesn't mean we're not open to change "things that make sense". There is usually (almost always) more reason behind choices than "no, i'm a miserable person and i don't want you to be happy".
- don't be afraid of byos / byos-custom
The plugin pre-releases are more of a "try this before you decide if you'd like to purchase it" rather than a "please tell me how you would do it". (and dont take this wrong, i appreciate your input, and your writeup is nice) but the intent is more of a "check this out and see if you like it - and let us know if anything is broken" - it doesn't matter if i've looked over the code 1000 times, there's always something that cwtn or myself miss.
just looked at the scarletcheetah thing mentioned earlier lol - whoops
anyhow, i appreciated the read - and i'll give it a re-read and think over some of the things you said.
happy hunting
Ok, i would like to talk about some of the things is had issues with on this plugin an how i overcame them. When it first started up i selected what i like to use ect let the plugin load. I went out into a mission to be alone an test out what the plugin did. First pull the ranger went to melee only, i set its chase distance at 20, did the /rng UseRanged an found no matter what i did he would find some reason to run up an hit. I would loved to have seen a Melee check box like casters have to where it would never melee only shoot. But how i had to overcome this issue was using chase se the distance at 50, turn off melee in the plugin, and set up a command to go from chase to assist from my tanks button master Lua. I love the plugin seeing some very nice dps and ease of use is just amazing hope to see more in the future love this plugin if you got a ranger GET THIS NOW!!
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about 75% of the way through the vid it tells you how to do range (change your stickhow to 35 moveback uw)
you have to change your stick how. it doesn't sound like you changed your stickhow to the ranged one like i mention in the video.
the "UseRanged" thing is going to make you use ranged, unless if for some reason you can't (because of where you're at) and then you'll turn on melee - the alternative is stand there and do nothing, but that is what you're asking it to do.
stickhow should fix you up
> this minute marker < (I added to the FAQ too)
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Thanks for the reply and I'm only making suggestions. The script is still very good and runs well. As for the Quiver, there's a hidden haste by making sure it's in that slot (unless they've changed it from the past and I'm unaware of it). Fintank has a really good write up of ranger stuff too. I respect both of you (Sic/CWTN) and everything you guys have done. I'm not some perfect know it all and always want to keep learning more myself about rangers myself. You stated your about numbers and data and I totally agree those are the keys that make a difference when you're trying to output the best dmg you can. Keep up the solid work!
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ChatWithThisName updated MQ2Ranger with a new update entry:
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Hello Mojo. Love your post, and want to dogpile on.
I believe that is ancient history. I tried to find a patch note when it changed, but best I could do is a Reddit post from someone who parsed it:
stick is a function from the MQ2MoveUtils add-on, I enquired about how to get a "between 31 and 49" setting. You can jump on the bandwagon here: https://www.redguides.com/community/threads/mq2moveutils.66853/#post-580445
For normal DPS, Summer's Torrent is a great reaction to a "Gift of Mana" proc. Using Summer's Torrent during a Pureshot burn (or on headshot targets) is controversial because autofire is delayed by casting.
Agree. Expectation is to /pet swarm when switching targets.
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Absolutely loving the plugin, and I especially love when a mob gets too far away, it auto begins to autofire, via useRange.
Only two things I'm noting, but i still think im doing something wrong on my side...
Having both Druid and Ranger in a party, lvl 30s so low level, Ranger is trying to constantly overwrite druid's Thorns. Ranger trying Shield of Thistles > Druids Shield of Brambles. Switching to BYOB on the ranger ends that push, even if shield of thistles is still occupying a spell slot. Id like the same option druids have of UseThorns.
I know there is no adding snareimmune or anything, but can we include snare and ensnare in the combat routine, or as an option to "UseSnare"?
Let me know if I'm doing something wrong on those two points or if its just a low level thing (don't know how they separate snares and thorns from druid thorns and such at higher levels).
Anyways, Awesome and thank you!
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Having both Druid and Ranger in a party, lvl 30s so low level, Ranger is trying to constantly overwrite druid's Thorns. Ranger trying Shield of Thistles > Druids Shield of Brambles. Switching to BYOB on the ranger ends
And as soon as I complain about it, i cant reproduce it anymore... seems hitting 32 magically made it stop? no idea why, but it was the only thing that changed. (got bramblecoat - self buff, maybe?)
Only two things I'm noting, but i still think im doing something wrong on my side...
Having both Druid and Ranger in a party, lvl 30s so low level, Ranger is trying to constantly overwrite druid's Thorns. Ranger trying Shield of Thistles > Druids Shield of Brambles. Switching to BYOB on the ranger ends that push, even if shield of thistles is still occupying a spell slot. Id like the same option druids have of UseThorns.
I know there is no adding snareimmune or anything, but can we include snare and ensnare in the combat routine, or as an option to "UseSnare"?
Let me know if I'm doing something wrong on those two points or if its just a low level thing (don't know how they separate snares and thorns from druid thorns and such at higher levels).
Anyways, Awesome and thank you!
*edit*
Having both Druid and Ranger in a party, lvl 30s so low level, Ranger is trying to constantly overwrite druid's Thorns. Ranger trying Shield of Thistles > Druids Shield of Brambles. Switching to BYOB on the ranger ends
And as soon as I complain about it, i cant reproduce it anymore... seems hitting 32 magically made it stop? no idea why, but it was the only thing that changed. (got bramblecoat - self buff, maybe?)
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We put alliance in gem 13 unless you use BYOS/BYOSCustom.
Yah I can (and should/will) make that change.
Byos / byos-custom is your friend tho
it already is.
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