Question - Kiss assist with out of group toons, or multiple groups. Aggro/assist issue.

Skyjet2000 · Sep 12, 2015

Currently running 2 groups of characters via kissassist. I do not put them in a raid as I'm not max level yet. Using group 2 as oUT of group dps.

The problem I'm running into is getting group#2 to assist group #1 initially.

I want both groups to assist off of the same MA. I started noticing seemingly random instances of group2 just sitting there doing nothing. Then noticed that most pulls they would do nothing at all.

After toying around in ini settings for a while getting frustrated I finally noticed the issue. Group 2, or any character outside of the main group with KA running, won't attack an npc that they are not "in combat" with, aka not in their Xtar window. If group2 happens to get aggro, everything works just fine.

I've been working around this with a hot key that makes my wiz in group2 assist my MA via eqbcs and click their Flux staff to gain aggro for the group. Easy fix when group2 is actually grouped. But sometimes I split them up if they steal xp from group 1. Much more annoying to have to make a hot key for every character not in groups1just to get them assisting.

I'm sure this is "working as intended", but was wondering if there was an easier work arround. Would like to just be able to chain pull into my 2 groups without constantly hitting hot keys for group2.

Sinn69 · Sep 12, 2015

If you have a healer in your group 2 setup and they heal someone in group 1(like the MA)during combat, a member of group 2 will now have aggro on their ETW and likewise so will all members of group 2.

winnower · Sep 12, 2015

This sounds like a perfect use for my called assist feature: http://www.redguides.com/community/...Called-Assist-feature?highlight=called+assist

edit: On second thought, listen to Maskoi to below.

wowfool · Sep 12, 2015

Could you set the group 1 MA target as the fist slot on the group2 members xtarget? Would that trick them into thinking they have agro?

Maskoi · Sep 12, 2015

Sounds like the mob is never in group 2 camp radius.Make Sure Group is 2 is near group one or at the least the MA and change your camp radius to like 50.

Skyjet2000 · Sep 15, 2015

Maskoi said:
Sounds like the mob is never in group 2 camp radius.Make Sure Group is 2 is near group one or at the least the MA and change your camp radius to like 50.

Tried this. They won't aggro (or get the targets in their xtar window) unless I manually get aggro for their group, or each individual ungrouped character.

For example if I have mages out of group, they will not assist my MA, unless I use a /assist /pet attack command in /bca etc. They KA kicks in and operates like normal once those mobs are on the mages xtarget window., but I have to do this for ever pull.
I assumed it was designed this way so that you wouldn't have toons attacking other groups targets by mistake etc, but maybe I"m just doing something wrong?

The issue is only for toons that are NOT grouped with the Target they are assisting with KA.

Meistro · Sep 15, 2015

Ideas:

Rich (BB code):

downshitx=/if (${SpawnCount[npc radius 50 zradius 10]}>=1  && !${Me.CombatState.Equal[COMBAT]}) /multiline ; /assist "char name" ; /delay 2 ; /cast"spellname"

change your rad as needed, etc.
If thee was a way to check if your MA in other group was in combat , would be a good add.

Rich (BB code):

${toonnam.CombatState.Equal[Combat]}

maybe???

Inkie · Sep 16, 2015

what if you set a member of group 2 as a puller for a group 1 MA?

MaxD · Sep 16, 2015

I use Kissassist on my out of group mages often. Are you going /mac kissassist assist tankname 99 Its what I have on my hotkey for my mages otherwise my kissassist is a very normal setup for my mages, ill post the INI later if you want when I get home

Then I just /chaseon if i want them to follow and go /chasedistance 75 (I dont want them to use rains on themselves

ctaylor22 · Sep 16, 2015

Darkie said:
what if you set a member of group 2 as a puller for a group 1 MA?

I looked through the kissassist code really quick and didn't see anything that would cause this to NOT work. If you can put the puller in Group 2 and have all the DPS characters in group 2 target the MA in Group 1 before starting kiss then it should work, but I can't be 100% sure till I test it myself.

Skyjet2000 · Sep 16, 2015

toric225 said:
I use Kissassist on my out of group mages often. Are you going /mac kissassist assist tankname 99 Its what I have on my hotkey for my mages otherwise my kissassist is a very normal setup for my mages, ill post the INI later if you want when I get home

Then I just /chaseon if i want them to follow and go /chasedistance 75 (I dont want them to use rains on themselves

Would like to see the ini, I'll post mine when I get home, it's very possibly user error.

But yea out of group characters simply do nothing if the npcs do not show up in their Xtar window. Even if their assist target is engaged.

I am on the TLP server thoughx which isn't even supposed to have the Xtarget window, so perhaps it's something server specific.

Gohast · Sep 16, 2015

Semi related (I think). Would it be possible to have a character OUTSIDE of the group cast single targets buffs ( clarity/regen/heals) on members in the group?

Skyjet2000 · Sep 18, 2015

Gohast said:
Semi related (I think). Would it be possible to have a character OUTSIDE of the group cast single targets buffs ( clarity/regen/heals) on members in the group?

If you manually cast the buff once, the character will rebuff them as it wears off even if not grouped so long as rebuff is active in the ini.

As for healing, grouped or not, a healer will heal whoever is set as their Kissassist target, as well as whoever is on the Xtarget slot they've assigned, but no one else if not grouped.

Gohast · Sep 18, 2015

Awesome thank you!

Razkle · Sep 18, 2015

I do this ALL the time: I have a group of 3 Tank/Puller , mezzer , cleric in 1 group and whatever I want in the other group as long as 1 is a healer of ANY type. The healer in group 2 is set to assist tank in group 1 at 100% and to send the fastest heal at 99% to the tank in group 1. What this does is pulls all the tanks agro to your groups xtar and agro. I have all of group 2 assisting the tank in group 1 and that way I can actually get 5 wizzies and a cleric to melt the world!

mroutlaw · Sep 18, 2015

this is how I control
/bcaa //macro kissassist.mac assist outlaw
/bcaa //chaseon
/bcaa //camphere
/bcaa //mqp
/bcaa //end
/bcg for group only like above
for controlling pets outside group as well as in .
/bcaa //assist outlaw
/bcaa //pet attack
/bcaa //pet attack

MaxD · Sep 18, 2015

Skyjet2000 said:
Would like to see the ini, I'll post mine when I get home, it's very possibly user error.

But yea out of group characters simply do nothing if the npcs do not show up in their Xtar window. Even if their assist target is engaged.

I am on the TLP server thoughx which isn't even supposed to have the Xtarget window, so perhaps it's something server specific.

Rich (BB code):

[General]
KissAssistVer=8.3.0
Role=Assist
CampRadius=60
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=75
MedOn=1
MedStart=25
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=1
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=8
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=0
[SpellSet]
LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist
[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
Buffs1=Shield of the Pellarus
Buffs2=Shield of Fate
Buffs3=Praetorian Guardian
Buffs4=Gather Magnitude|Mana|80
Buffs5=Wand of Phantasmal Modulation|Mana|85|50
Buffs6=Summoned: Large Modulation Shard|Mana|85|50
Buffs7=Band of Dark Insight
Buffs8=Large Modulation Shard|Summon|Summoned: Large Modulation Shard|1
Buffs9=Wand of Phantasmal Modulation|Summon|Wand of Phantasmal Modulation|1
Buffs10=Grant Icebound Paradox|Summon|Summoned: Icebound Sliver|1
Buffs11=Circle of Flameskin
Buffs12=Chaotic Benefaction
Buffs13=Circle of Flameweaving
Buffs14=Mana Reserve|Mana|19
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=NULL
Buffs18=NULL
Buffs19=NULL
Buffs20=Armored Battle Shire Saddle
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=20
[Melee]
AssistAt=95
MeleeOn=0
FaceMobOn=0
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll
AutoFireOn=0
[GoM]
GoMSHelp=Format - Spell|Target, MA Me or Mob, i.e. Rampaging Servant Rk. II|Mob
GoMSpell1=NULL
GoMSpell2=NULL
[AE]
AEOn=0
AERadius=50
AE1=NULL
AE2=NULL
AE3=NULL
AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL
[DPS]
DPSOn=1
DPSSkip=5
DPSInterval=2
DPS1=Malosinete|99|Once
DPS2=Remorseless Servant|98
DPS3=Force of Elements|95
DPS4=Spear of Blistersteel|0
DPS5=Spear of Molten Shieldstone|95
DPS6=Fickle Magma|0
DPS7=Coronal Rain|96
DPS8=Rain of Cutlasses|96
DPS9=Summoned: Icebound Sliver|98
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL
[Aggro]
AggroOn=0
Aggro1=NULL
Aggro2=NULL
Aggro3=NULL
[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=0
Heals1=NULL
Heals2=NULL
Heals3=NULL
Heals4=NULL
Heals5=NULL
XTarHeal=0
[Cures]
CuresOn=0
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
[Pet]
PetOn=1
PetSpell=Convocation of Water
PetFocus=NULL
PetShrinkOn=0
PetShrinkSpell=Tiny Companion
PetBuffsOn=1
PetBuffs1=Burnout XII
PetBuffs2=Iceflame Armaments
PetBuffs3=Virulent Talon
PetBuffs4=NULL
PetBuffs5=NULL
PetBuffs6=NULL
PetBuffs7=NULL
PetBuffs8=NULL
PetCombatOn=1
PetToysOn=1
PetToys1=Grant Frightforged Armaments|Summoned: Frightforged Shortsword|Summoned: Frightforged Fireblade
PetToys2=Grant Visor of Gobeker
PetToys3=NULL
PetToys4=NULL
PetToys5=NULL
PetToys6=NULL
PetToysGave=Atiny|Grant Frightforged Armaments:Summoned: Frightforged Shortsword1|Grant Frightforged Armaments:Summoned: Frightforged Fireblade2|Grant Visor of Gobeker
PetBreakMezSpell=NULL
PetRampPullWait=0
PetSuspend=0
MoveWhenHit=0
[Burn]
BurnText=Group Burn Time!
BurnAllNamed=1
Burn1=Improved Twincast
Burn2=Fire Core
Burn3=Silent Casting
Burn4=Frenzied Burnout
Burn5=Elemental Union
Burn6=Fundament: First Spire of the Elements
Burn7=Host of the Elements
Burn8=NULL
Burn9=NULL
Burn10=NULL
Burn11=NULL
Burn12=NULL
Burn13=NULL
Burn14=NULL
Burn15=NULL
[Pull]
PullWith=Melee
MaxRadius=350
MaxZRange=50
PullWait=0
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2
[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0
[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

Here's my ini, out of group, no healer with the mage ( maybe a cleric merc ) works fine

Longbeard · Sep 18, 2015

A huge issue is the setting of CampRadius=
You need to make sure the toons are in that radius or they won't pick up on the hostiles as they aren't in camp.

Skyjet2000 · Oct 10, 2015

Still have this issue.

Half the time npc's don't show up on the out of group characters Xtarget window at all. If they dont' show up, they will not assist.

Every characters campradius = 80, and i'm pulling the targets into a much smaller radius than that.

Rich (BB code):

[General]
KissAssistVer=8.4.1
Role=Assist
CampRadius=80
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0

ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=80
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=0
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=1
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=5
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=0


[SpellSet]
LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist


[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
Buffs1=Arch Shielding
Buffs2=NULL
Buffs3=NULL
Buffs4=NULL
Buffs5=NULL
Buffs6=NULL
Buffs7=NULL
Buffs8=NULL
Buffs9=NULL
Buffs10=NULL
Buffs11=NULL
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=NULL
Buffs14=NULL
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=NULL
Buffs18=NULL
Buffs19=NULL
Buffs20=NULL
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=20


[Melee]
AssistAt=97
MeleeOn=0
FaceMobOn=0
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll
AutoFireOn=0


[GoM]
GoMSHelp=Format - Spell|Target, MA Me or Mob, i.e. Rampaging Servant Rk. II|Mob
GoMSpell1=NULL
GoMSpell2=NULL


[AE]
AEOn=0
AERadius=50
AE1=NULL
AE2=NULL
AE3=NULL
AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL


[DPS]
DPSOn=1
DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=16
DPS1=Lava Bolt|75
DPS2=NULL
DPS3=NULL
DPS4=NULL
DPS5=NULL
DPS6=NULL
DPS7=NULL
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL


[Aggro]
AggroOn=0
Aggro1=NULL
Aggro2=NULL
Aggro3=NULL


[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=0
Heals1=NULL
Heals2=NULL
Heals3=NULL
Heals4=NULL
Heals5=NULL
XTarHeal=0


[Cures]
CuresOn=0
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
Cures4=NULL
Cures5=NULL


[Pet]
PetOn=1
PetSpell=Vocarate: Earth
PetFocus=NULL
PetShrinkOn=0
PetShrinkSpell=Tiny Companion
PetBuffsOn=1
PetBuffs1=Burnout III
PetBuffs2=NULL
PetBuffs3=NULL
PetBuffs4=NULL
PetBuffs5=NULL
PetBuffs6=NULL
PetBuffs7=NULL
PetBuffs8=NULL
PetCombatOn=1
PetToysOn=0
PetToys1=NULL
PetToys2=NULL
PetToys3=NULL
PetToys4=NULL
PetToys5=NULL
PetToys6=NULL
PetToysGave=NULL
PetBreakMezSpell=NULL
PetRampPullWait=0
PetSuspend=0
MoveWhenHit=1


[Burn]
BurnText=Decepticons Attack
BurnAllNamed=0
Burn1=NULL
Burn2=NULL
Burn3=NULL
Burn4=NULL
Burn5=NULL
Burn6=NULL
Burn7=NULL
Burn8=NULL
Burn9=NULL
Burn10=NULL
Burn11=NULL
Burn12=NULL
Burn13=NULL
Burn14=NULL
Burn15=NULL


[Pull]
PullWith=Pet
MaxRadius=50
MaxZRange=50
PullWait=0
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2


[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0


[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

All characters are in the same spot when I begin the macro, all characters are assisting the same tank, and all characters have CampRadius=80.
Sometimes they get aggro (npcs end up in their Xtargetwindow), and sometimes they don't. If I pull a group of Npc's and manually make them attack, all npc's go to their xtarget window, thus they will function fine until that group is dead, and the issue begins again on the next pull if I don't manually get them involved.

- - - Updated - - -

Razkle said:
I do this ALL the time: I have a group of 3 Tank/Puller , mezzer , cleric in 1 group and whatever I want in the other group as long as 1 is a healer of ANY type. The healer in group 2 is set to assist tank in group 1 at 100% and to send the fastest heal at 99% to the tank in group 1!

How do you get healer 2 to not just cast the heal repeatedly over and over on the tank?

Razkle · Oct 15, 2015

Skyjet2000 said:

Still have this issue.

Half the time npc's don't show up on the out of group characters Xtarget window at all. If they dont' show up, they will not assist.

Every characters campradius = 80, and i'm pulling the targets into a much smaller radius than that.

Rich (BB code):

[General]
KissAssistVer=8.4.1
Role=Assist
CampRadius=80
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0

ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=80
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=0
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=1
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=5
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=0


[SpellSet]
LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist


[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
Buffs1=Arch Shielding
Buffs2=NULL
Buffs3=NULL
Buffs4=NULL
Buffs5=NULL
Buffs6=NULL
Buffs7=NULL
Buffs8=NULL
Buffs9=NULL
Buffs10=NULL
Buffs11=NULL
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=NULL
Buffs14=NULL
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=NULL
Buffs18=NULL
Buffs19=NULL
Buffs20=NULL
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=20


[Melee]
AssistAt=97
MeleeOn=0
FaceMobOn=0
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll
AutoFireOn=0


[GoM]
GoMSHelp=Format - Spell|Target, MA Me or Mob, i.e. Rampaging Servant Rk. II|Mob
GoMSpell1=NULL
GoMSpell2=NULL


[AE]
AEOn=0
AERadius=50
AE1=NULL
AE2=NULL
AE3=NULL
AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL


[DPS]
DPSOn=1
DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=16
DPS1=Lava Bolt|75
DPS2=NULL
DPS3=NULL
DPS4=NULL
DPS5=NULL
DPS6=NULL
DPS7=NULL
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL


[Aggro]
AggroOn=0
Aggro1=NULL
Aggro2=NULL
Aggro3=NULL


[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=0
Heals1=NULL
Heals2=NULL
Heals3=NULL
Heals4=NULL
Heals5=NULL
XTarHeal=0


[Cures]
CuresOn=0
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
Cures4=NULL
Cures5=NULL


[Pet]
PetOn=1
PetSpell=Vocarate: Earth
PetFocus=NULL
PetShrinkOn=0
PetShrinkSpell=Tiny Companion
PetBuffsOn=1
PetBuffs1=Burnout III
PetBuffs2=NULL
PetBuffs3=NULL
PetBuffs4=NULL
PetBuffs5=NULL
PetBuffs6=NULL
PetBuffs7=NULL
PetBuffs8=NULL
PetCombatOn=1
PetToysOn=0
PetToys1=NULL
PetToys2=NULL
PetToys3=NULL
PetToys4=NULL
PetToys5=NULL
PetToys6=NULL
PetToysGave=NULL
PetBreakMezSpell=NULL
PetRampPullWait=0
PetSuspend=0
MoveWhenHit=1


[Burn]
BurnText=Decepticons Attack
BurnAllNamed=0
Burn1=NULL
Burn2=NULL
Burn3=NULL
Burn4=NULL
Burn5=NULL
Burn6=NULL
Burn7=NULL
Burn8=NULL
Burn9=NULL
Burn10=NULL
Burn11=NULL
Burn12=NULL
Burn13=NULL
Burn14=NULL
Burn15=NULL


[Pull]
PullWith=Pet
MaxRadius=50
MaxZRange=50
PullWait=0
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2


[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0


[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

All characters are in the same spot when I begin the macro, all characters are assisting the same tank, and all characters have CampRadius=80.
Sometimes they get aggro (npcs end up in their Xtargetwindow), and sometimes they don't. If I pull a group of Npc's and manually make them attack, all npc's go to their xtarget window, thus they will function fine until that group is dead, and the issue begins again on the next pull if I don't manually get them involved.

- - - Updated - - -

How do you get healer 2 to not just cast the heal repeatedly over and over on the tank?

I don't and he does, it is not a problem, he keeps the tank up and then if there is any local group agro he will heal or rez in his own group...

Question - Kiss assist with out of group toons, or multiple groups. Aggro/assist issue.

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