Question - Current Group DPS (1 Viewer)

[GoldenFrog]

Generic question about this groups' DPS and parsing of it. I realize there's a probably not a lot of detail here to go on.

TL;DR - I know SK very well but not others, nor interactions/ADPS as much as I should.
Are the #'s below generally to be expected for group make-up and mechanisms of logs/parsers?
Or is there possibly/probably some key things I'm missing in char usage, ADPS, or more?

Details
Numbers below are the same regardless of:

• Duration (3 hours below but I have 18 hours that match)
• Which camp we're at (Below is Ka Vethan)
• Which char has log analyzed
• Which parser used (GamParse or EQLogParser)

Additionally, all characters are:

• Max AA
• Max Group Gear: NoS T3, Epics, etc...
• Running CWTN default settings
  • Except Bard is KA
  • Rogue is not force alliance below
  • SK - Puller Tank
  • Shaman - Hybrid

Should Rogue be expected that much ahead of the pack?
Zerker only 40% above SK (granted, SK gets riposte, etc...)
Mage behind SK and tied with Shaman?
Mage Pet parsing completely trivial numbers?

Class	% Total	Damage	DPS	SDPS
Rogue	44.01	5,242,315,984	1,228,859	1,211,815
Zerker	17.58	2,094,219,063	545,653	484,100
SK	12.19	1,451,607,686	339,795	335,554
Mage	9.41	1,120,898,447	286,308	259,107
Bard	6.37	758,844,254	251,439	175,414
Shaman	6.29	749,272,968	190,654	173,202
Pet: SK	2.05	243,992,537	57,167	56,401
Pet: Sham	1.79	213,586,241	55,019	49,372
Pet: Mage	0.29	34,068,532	9,604	7,875

 

[2ndGoat]

Super interesting data. The first question that I have is: Are the rogue and zerker that far ahead in zones where decap and assassinate don't work?

 

[sheijo]

are these humanoid mobs? if so the rogue dps matches with what I see in my crew. Depending on how long the mobs stay alive i would say the sk/mage damage is probably right. if your rogue and zerk are killing mobs super fast mage can't get enough casts off to get damage done, however the low pet damage is a head scratcher; usually my mage pet is about 1/2 of my mages damage. Here is a random mob fight of a humanoid mob from my crew for reference:

 

[hytiek]

GF your question is really difficult to provide an answer to.

It would help to understand what zone you are in and what you are killing (are you grinding? are you open world?) -- this would help to perform a bit more same:same comparison.

 

[GoldenFrog]

Super interesting data. The first question that I have is: Are the rogue and zerker that far ahead in zones where decap and assassinate don't work?

are these humanoid mobs? if so the rogue dps matches with what I see in my crew. Depending on how long the mobs stay alive i would say the sk/mage damage is probably right. if your rogue and zerk are killing mobs super fast mage can't get enough casts off to get damage done. Here is a random mob fight of a humanoid mob from my crew for reference:

The specific zone for the parse above was Ka Vethan, not-open world, with the 4-armed alien things. So... humanoid?
Static camp, small-enough puller didn't have to move much at all.
Grinding automated, no human interference.

Though parses do seem very similar in other areas. I need to verify where Decap/Assassinate come to play.

The fights above also were 20-30 seconds on average. Seems long enough for everyone to get their share.


I will triple-check parses from outdoor, non-humanoid targets. Inevitably have those.

 

[durango773]

Stepping away for a few hours, all looks legit except for pet #... dont forget you have "pet named coolmagepet" and "summon swarm pets"... have to make sure that data is collated correctly.

 

[sheijo]

if you use the raidloot parser or the EQLog Parser you can see a breakdown of assassinate and decap damage.

 

[GoldenFrog]

Thanks everyone for replies. Definitely seems like the results aren't far out of big-picture expectations.

I was surprised by the Rogue #'s and will run fresh parses from other locations to get a better picture of points raised.

(Plus check pet parse settings - thanks, @durango773 )

 

[a_moss_snake]

Stepping away for a few hours, all looks legit except for pet #... dont forget you have "pet named coolmagepet" and "summon swarm pets"... have to make sure that data is collated correctly.

Yes, mage should be about 3x. Mage pet (Water) should make about a bit less what mage does, and Swarm pet should make a bit more (purely from my parses). Did the mage maybe drop to FTP and you have no pet focus on?

Though wtf, I need to make a rogue!

 

[sheijo]

Yes, mage should be about 3x. Mage pet (Water) should make about a bit less what mage does, and Swarm pet should make a bit more (purely from my parses). Did the mage maybe drop to FTP and you have no pet focus on?

Though wtf, I need to make a rogue!

ranger damage is sick also, rogue beats mine in burns but on the regular mobs they will swap back and forth for the top spot

 

[sheijo]

Yes, mage should be about 3x. Mage pet (Water) should make about a bit less what mage does, and Swarm pet should make a bit more (purely from my parses). Did the mage maybe drop to FTP and you have no pet focus on?

Though wtf, I need to make a rogue!

here is a fun little fight last night

 

[Dragonslayer]

Those are human bodytype mobs, so headshot and assasinate comes into play.

 

[an_image]

Generic question about this groups' DPS and parsing of it. I realize there's a probably not a lot of detail here to go on.

TL;DR - I know SK very well but not others, nor interactions/ADPS as much as I should.
Are the #'s below generally to be expected for group make-up and mechanisms of logs/parsers?
Or is there possibly/probably some key things I'm missing in char usage, ADPS, or more?

Details
Numbers below are the same regardless of:

• Duration (3 hours below but I have 18 hours that match)
• Which camp we're at (Below is Ka Vethan)
• Which char has log analyzed
• Which parser used (GamParse or EQLogParser)

Additionally, all characters are:

• Max AA
• Max Group Gear: NoS T3, Epics, etc...
• Running CWTN default settings
  • Except Bard is KA
  • Rogue is not force alliance below
  • SK - Puller Tank
  • Shaman - Hybrid

Should Rogue be expected that much ahead of the pack?
Zerker only 40% above SK (granted, SK gets riposte, etc...)
Mage behind SK and tied with Shaman?
Mage Pet parsing completely trivial numbers?

Class	% Total	Damage	DPS	SDPS
Rogue	44.01	5,242,315,984	1,228,859	1,211,815
Zerker	17.58	2,094,219,063	545,653	484,100
SK	12.19	1,451,607,686	339,795	335,554
Mage	9.41	1,120,898,447	286,308	259,107
Bard	6.37	758,844,254	251,439	175,414
Shaman	6.29	749,272,968	190,654	173,202
Pet: SK	2.05	243,992,537	57,167	56,401
Pet: Sham	1.79	213,586,241	55,019	49,372
Pet: Mage	0.29	34,068,532	9,604	7,875

@GoldenFrog You need pet classes grouped w/ mage to really make them shine. You also need to ensure your "of many line of spells" is optimized w/ supporting chars using pet clickies. Make sure your synergies build on each other.

Top short term parse (imo) are usually: Rogue/Mage even in raid
Long-term highest parse are usually: Rogue/Necro and then everyone else depending on burn cycles/synergies

Clickies make a huge difference, example synergy plus berzerker epic, plus bard epic...plus sk epic 1.5 or 2.0...will skew these numbers one way or another. Other things like Bi-fold focus, Sorcerer's Blade...etc...all play a role.

@Sic usually says it's a game of inches...every inch helps...and the right configuration and clickies is what makes certain chars shine.

 

[GoldenFrog]

Those are human bodytype mobs, so headshot and assasinate comes into play.

Yeah. Running in Shadeweaver against dinosaurs shows a different story.

Haven't found where to view Assassinate - and all Pet-Reporting seems enabled. But still working on it.
Also guess I still expected Zerker to show better.

 

[GoldenFrog]

@GoldenFrog You need pet classes grouped w/ mage to really make them shine. You also need to ensure your "of many line of spells" is optimized w/ supporting chars using pet clickies. Make sure your synergies build on each other.

Top short term parse (imo) are usually: Rogue/Mage even in raid
Long-term highest parse are usually: Rogue/Necro and then everyone else depending on burn cycles/synergies

Clickies make a huge difference, example synergy plus berzerker epic, plus bard epic...plus sk epic 1.5 or 2.0...will skew these numbers one way or another. Other things like Bi-fold focus, Sorcerer's Blade...etc...all play a role.

@Sic usually says it's a game of inches...every inch helps...and the right configuration and clickies is what makes certain chars shine.

Thanks, image. I definitely agree on the game of inches. Every 10hp

Appreciate your info above. The reality is the modern game is a LOT more forgiving than in the past so I haven't *had* to learn these classes to beat what I wanna beat. They filled in 5 years ago when RL group-mates moved on. DPS is sufficient, generally.

However I'm going to work more on it and info like the above is a big part.

 

[sheijo]

Yeah. Running in Shadeweaver against dinosaurs shows a different story.

Haven't found where to view Assassinate - and all Pet-Reporting seems enabled. But still working on it.
Also guess I still expected Zerker to show better.


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if this is EQLog Parser if you right click in the table, hover over DPS Breakdown, then select the class you can see the break out

 

[GoldenFrog]

if this is EQLog Parser if you right click in the table, hover over DPS Breakdown, then select the class you can see the break out

Sweet beans, thank you.

I really prefer GamParse and have used it forever. But tried the others to verify findings were accurate.

 

[sheijo]

Sweet beans, thank you.

I really prefer GamParse and have used it forever. But tried the others to verify findings were accurate.

i just switched from GamParse, i felt like the overlay was too large for my tastes

 

[durango773]

I have the same char and same (ish) state, I can run this for a few hours tonight and see what it says.. however, humanoid mobs, not a "caster" group really, everyone checks out fine. Just spitballing off the top, id expect my % of dmg by each class to fall close to your numbers.

 

[durango773]

ranger damage is sick also, rogue beats mine in burns but on the regular mobs they will swap back and forth for the top spot

I have yet to find a real mob in "group" content that rogues or rangers can really burn on. most dont have the HP's for it (even named) =-(

 

[Kar-]

Generic question about this groups' DPS and parsing of it. I realize there's a probably not a lot of detail here to go on.

TL;DR - I know SK very well but not others, nor interactions/ADPS as much as I should.
Are the #'s below generally to be expected for group make-up and mechanisms of logs/parsers?
Or is there possibly/probably some key things I'm missing in char usage, ADPS, or more?

Details
Numbers below are the same regardless of:

• Duration (3 hours below but I have 18 hours that match)
• Which camp we're at (Below is Ka Vethan)
• Which char has log analyzed
• Which parser used (GamParse or EQLogParser)

Additionally, all characters are:

• Max AA
• Max Group Gear: NoS T3, Epics, etc...
• Running CWTN default settings
  • Except Bard is KA
  • Rogue is not force alliance below
  • SK - Puller Tank
  • Shaman - Hybrid

Should Rogue be expected that much ahead of the pack?
Zerker only 40% above SK (granted, SK gets riposte, etc...)
Mage behind SK and tied with Shaman?
Mage Pet parsing completely trivial numbers?

Class	% Total	Damage	DPS	SDPS
Rogue	44.01	5,242,315,984	1,228,859	1,211,815
Zerker	17.58	2,094,219,063	545,653	484,100
SK	12.19	1,451,607,686	339,795	335,554
Mage	9.41	1,120,898,447	286,308	259,107
Bard	6.37	758,844,254	251,439	175,414
Shaman	6.29	749,272,968	190,654	173,202
Pet: SK	2.05	243,992,537	57,167	56,401
Pet: Sham	1.79	213,586,241	55,019	49,372
Pet: Mage	0.29	34,068,532	9,604	7,875

Mage seems low. I tested just chain casting swarm pet 6 months ago and it out dpsed your mage


Kar

 

[a_moss_snake]

This is a current parse of my group:


mage total
- mage swarm pets
- mage
- water pet EM25
SK (gold)
necro
wiz
shm
brd

Only SK is gold, all are solid in AA :-D

 

[Robren911]

ranger damage is sick also, rogue beats mine in burns but on the regular mobs they will swap back and forth for the top spot

The Ranger damage is stupid. It's finally a Ranger you must have.

 

[durango773]

As @a_moss_snake shows with his mage, your breaking out your mage (not recording data) wrong.

Spoiler: Numbers dont matter

 

[that1guy]

Sorry if I missed this but I will assume that your group is maxed AA? Also depends on what macro/plugins you use. I'm a big fan of CWTN plugins.

Rog seems a bit high unless its tag human then thats good.

Zerk I haven't used in awhile but in COV was avg 375k.

SK seem to be right on with my SK avgs about that with a 2H.

Mage seems really low...my mage usually is 500k+ with pets. On a burn he has gone 800k-1.2 mil dps (depending on crits and resists) for named without his clicky DD items. Prob be more if I used those hehe.

 

[dewey2461]

SK seems a bit low when paired with shaman and bard. Assume you are playing fairly defensively. Try breaking out the 2H when ever your epic is running.

The fights you are parsing are very short which is why the bard and shaman DPS is so low. DoTs just don't have time to do much.