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sheijo

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Hey guys,

Coming back after a long break. Before i left I was running SK/SHM/BRD/ROG/BST/RNG. Looking at the most recent posts it looks like casters have gotten a lot of love; Im happy about, my first 6 box was a caster group. It also looks like clerics got some love also. So i have some questions for the masters.

Looks like SK is still top group tank; snap aoe agro is hard to beat.

Is SHM still top healer or has cleric gotten some special sauce that helps out?

Is ENC over BRD still the best option for a caster group?

Damage wise what are the best options for a caster group? I might decide to throw in a ranger just because i like rangers; talk me out of it ;)
 
Eq isn't hard... play what you want.

Have a tank. Have a healer. Have a form of crowd control, generally. Wizard and mag are strong, but who cares, play a ranger.

In the words of Bruce Dickinson,
"Explore the space!"

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sheijo said:
Hey guys,

Coming back after a long break. Before i left I was running SK/SHM/BRD/ROG/BST/RNG. Looking at the most recent posts it looks like casters have gotten a lot of love; Im happy about, my first 6 box was a caster group. It also looks like clerics got some love also. So i have some questions for the masters.

Looks like SK is still top group tank; snap aoe agro is hard to beat.

Is SHM still top healer or has cleric gotten some special sauce that helps out?

Is ENC over BRD still the best option for a caster group?

Damage wise what are the best options for a caster group? I might decide to throw in a ranger just because i like rangers; talk me out of it ;)
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Welcome back!

If folks can get away with a 5 wiz group and a cleric merc, you can go pretty much anything groupwise, heh.

Since you seem to be set on SK centered caster group, I would suggest BL for kitty crack/slow/shaman gimp buffs.

A lot of the newer content does not need CC much. I been hearing folks preferring bard over enchanter.

But again, as already mention, just play what ya like =) With a full 6 accounts, you can mix and match to get something that fits your play style. I was using just three accounts with mercs, or using guild accounts (they get the AA, I get additional live toons =-P) and was maintaining 18+ of my toons before taking a break. Course I spent way too much time on spreadsheets then, heh.
 
Warlock45 said:
Welcome back!

If folks can get away with a 5 wiz group and a cleric merc, you can go pretty much anything groupwise, heh.

Since you seem to be set on SK centered caster group, I would suggest BL for kitty crack/slow/shaman gimp buffs.

A lot of the newer content does not need CC much. I been hearing folks preferring bard over enchanter.

But again, as already mention, just play what ya like =) With a full 6 accounts, you can mix and match to get something that fits your play style. I was using just three accounts with mercs, or using guild accounts (they get the AA, I get additional live toons =-P) and was maintaining 18+ of my toons before taking a break. Course I spent way too much time on spreadsheets then, heh.
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yea im just looking for a group that can clear group content and missions. im just not sure of the current meta and how much it matters really. I also don't want to take 37 years to get anything done


Im not totally hung up on SK, i always like having 2 Rez with a pal, hell 3 if i ran a necro also.
 
Gohast said:
Any group can clear content. I'm currently running PAL/CLR/ENC/NEC/NEC/NEC and shit just melts.
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ha, sounds interesting, are you missing the bard at all in that comp? ive highly considered running Pal/clr/enc/mag/wiz, last spot is still open i kinda want a ranger again but man he will get no support out of that comp. After my last set of toons that shm and sk AA mountain isn't looking fun. pal/clr/enc basically becomes unkillable
 
I just came back after a few years and am in your exact situation. I fact, my main group before was the same as you old setup. I'd never talk you out of ranger.

I decided to bootstrap a new group of PAL|DRU|ENC|MAG|NEC|BST. They are in the 80's now.

It's been really fun but mana is always an issue for the casters. The PAL and DRU stay fine, but the mage and necro are basically always OOM.

Things still die super fast. If you set the ENC to use charm, it's basically an extra DPS. Though at some levels you can't charm anything in the areas you want to fight in.

The necro is the weakest link right now because nothing lives long enough for his dots to matter.

I also side leveled a ranger and I might switch out the necro for him later on, but I want to see how the necro does at high level, because I hear good things.

I am using CWTN class plugins on everyone. They are all great. I'm happy I don't have to tweak another ranger ini.

I do miss bard speed. I miss it a lot.
 
naamloseeen said:
I just came back after a few years and am in your exact situation. I fact, my main group before was the same as you old setup. I'd never talk you out of ranger.

I decided to bootstrap a new group of PAL|DRU|ENC|MAG|NEC|BST. They are in the 80's now.

It's been really fun but mana is always an issue for the casters. The PAL and DRU stay fine, but the mage and necro are basically always OOM.

Things still die super fast. If you set the ENC to use charm, it's basically an extra DPS. Though at some levels you can't charm anything in the areas you want to fight in.

The necro is the weakest link right now because nothing lives long enough for his dots to matter.

I also side leveled a ranger and I might switch out the necro for him later on, but I want to see how the necro does at high level, because I hear good things.

I am using CWTN class plugins on everyone. They are all great. I'm happy I don't have to tweak another ranger ini.

I do miss bard speed. I miss it a lot.
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this is great. im actually going to drop the nec in the traditional caster set up for a ranger. so dps will be mag/wiz/rng. it also helps/hurts me because i have a 120 mag and a 125wiz floating around still; but now my bootstrap crew need to have two mercs. honestly the caster mana is partially why i ended up swapping my crew over to a melee comp before.

its the last 3 that im kinda hung up on. im leaning more towards bard in the end for speed and double invis.

its the tank and healer im really stuck on. i just realllllllllly don't want to grind out 90k AA with the sk/shm duo.

how are you liking druid in your setup? decent damage and decent healing?

sheijo said:
this is great. im actually going to drop the nec in the traditional caster set up for a ranger. so dps will be mag/wiz/rng. it also helps/hurts me because i have a 120 mag and a 125wiz floating around still; but now my bootstrap crew need to have two mercs. honestly the caster mana is partially why i ended up swapping my crew over to a melee comp before.

its the last 3 that im kinda hung up on. im leaning more towards bard in the end for speed and double invis.

its the tank and healer im really stuck on. i just realllllllllly don't want to grind out 90k AA with the sk/shm duo.

how are you liking druid in your setup? decent damage and decent healing?
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i will also get the CTWN plugins, ive used all of them and i think they are amazing. gotta settle on a crew first
 
sheijo said:
how are you liking druid in your setup? decent damage and decent healing?
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I have no complaints about it so far. I think it's good really with a pally tank, but might not be as good with SK or WAR.

She does good damage if we're fighting a named or something, but I mostly keep her nukes and dots turned off during XP fights. I have hotkey setup just to manage her config on the fly.

The skin line of druid buffs are nice for the extra mana regen on everyone. With the pally HP/AC buffs, we're close to cleric buffs. Though managing stacking and blocking buffs is a pain when you're leveling fast.

It's been a long time since I had a porter in my main group and I forgot how convenient it is. It almost makes up for no bard speed.

The ENC vs. BRD debate is as old as time. I've been a bard lover for 25 years, but the ENC really is awesome. Can't go wrong either way.
 
I've always done BRD in melee groups and ENC in caster groups. That's mostly a hold over from over haste but I believe they've baked into caster buffs to the haste song now.
 
I have been going Clr, ENC, WAR, WIz, Wiz, Mage recently and have been doing fine. I swap out one caster with a necro a lot and dont notice a difference. I am currently leveling a bard just for fun because I never played one so Ill let you know how that goes.
 
naamloseeen said:
I have no complaints about it so far. I think it's good really with a pally tank, but might not be as good with SK or WAR.

She does good damage if we're fighting a named or something, but I mostly keep her nukes and dots turned off during XP fights. I have hotkey setup just to manage her config on the fly.

The skin line of druid buffs are nice for the extra mana regen on everyone. With the pally HP/AC buffs, we're close to cleric buffs. Though managing stacking and blocking buffs is a pain when you're leveling fast.

It's been a long time since I had a porter in my main group and I forgot how convenient it is. It almost makes up for no bard speed.

The ENC vs. BRD debate is as old as time. I've been a bard lover for 25 years, but the ENC really is awesome. Can't go wrong either way.
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Gohast said:
I've always done BRD in melee groups and ENC in caster groups. That's mostly a hold over from over haste but I believe they've baked into caster buffs to the haste song now.
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Free_Sid said:
I have been going Clr, ENC, WAR, WIz, Wiz, Mage recently and have been doing fine. I swap out one caster with a necro a lot and dont notice a difference. I am currently leveling a bard just for fun because I never played one so Ill let you know how that goes.
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are you guys using ftp casters or paid casters? i know awhile ago it didn't matter too much like it did with melee; is there a difference now?
 
naamloseeen said:
I put some left over krono on them for the AA and auto spell grant. I'm not planning to keep the casters paid, but we'll see how it goes I guess.
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Yea that’s kind of my plan but I’m not sure with the changes if that extra little gear boost is worth it
 
khjait war, brd, shm, rog, ber, bst = you win all the things with 10% of the effort, and you look cool doing it

dark elf, sk, clr, enc, mag, wiz, nec/mag(som say its not worth it doubling classes,) = you win all the things with 8% of the effort, and you look dark elf doing it, and you got all the caster!

gnome pal, clr, wood elf brd, rng, dwarf rog, ber = dont even know how well these guys would perform but you arent from areas around or in qeynos,which is all that matters
 
The Meta is SK, BRD, SHM, BL, ROG, BER. I've used that with success as have many others, but I enjoy a little more versatility at the cost of DPS, so I substituted a RNG for the BER. Ranger's aDPS does not compensate for the loss in total DPS, but you get a lot from the RNG class that I was looking for, chiefly quality-of-life improvements. As far as the BRD vs ENC debate, it seems to be a matter of preference. BRDs are inferior at CC, but superior in adding DPS. Also, as I frequently point out, ENCs are useful for other things besides CC, so try them both and see which you prefer. I don't think you will be handicapped if you choose one over the other. Having said that, I would recommend that you stay reasonably close to the meta group simply because it is the best derivative for the current content.

If you insist on a caster group, then PAL, BRD, DRU, ENC, MAG, WIZ. I suppose you could substitute an SK for the PAL without any hassle. Note, this includes both a BRD and an ENC. A BRD is necessary, I believe, for the aDPS they bring for group so don't think of it as an unnecessary duplication - because it's not.
 
Hello, and as many say, play what you like. If you were leaning melee, I would suggest sk, shm, brd, rou, rng, and bez. The BL buffs seem less important with a shaman in group to me.

If you go caster, do not discount the mage. I had a friend who ran 5 mages and shaman. It was insane!
 
I currently run SK/Bard/Bst/Rog/Zerker/Shm and love the dps and quickly mobs die. I recently for fun made an Alt persona group on the same toons and am basically running SK/Enc/Wiz/Wiz/Wiz/Druid and the dps is pretty crazy. I don't think you can go wrong with any combination in reality. Make what you like and you will be fine
 
I put aside my BL and dusted off my ToL built (last seen action) mage last month and so enjoying her, grp is SK -or- PAL, SHM, BRD, ROG, ZERK.
She's caught up on grp gear and all augs and battling top DPS spot with my Zerk and Rog. Never runs low on mana either. Very Enduring now.
 
Welcome back! I recently came back after a couple years away and was playing SK/ROG/ZERK/BRD/BST/SHM. Got them all to max level and wanted to try something new, so I switched out everything except SK to MAG/WIZ/NEC/ENC/CLR. Wiz DPS can be pretty wild, but overall DPS wasnt as good as melee crew. however, I never had any issues with doing any content, just took a little longer.

My new crew is sk/rog/zerk/brd/rng/shm, so just switching the bst to rng. Even though my RNG just hit 130, and is still low on AAs, my groups DPS has increased (using mq2grind, went from ~140 kill/hour to 160+ in Warwork mission).

In the end, like others have said, play what you want. It may not be the best DPS, but pretty much any combo will work and allow you to do any group content.
 
sorry in advance, i did not read the replies,forgive me if this was already pointed out:

my setup is nearly identical to yours, except I swapped a mage instead of going with ranger in my last slot. Why? this damn expansion is a pain in the butt to navigate, but with bards double invis I can get my group around quickly and easy with the mage group coth, all except for the final zone in the exp.
 
Yeah go for the SK tank - It's nice to completely eliminate threat as something you need to consider, pop an aoe and you're set. As mentioned any group can do it all, so go for what speaks to you. I always liked caster groups as well, and sided with an ench for those over a bard.

Let us know what you've decided on! it's nice to hear about people coming back to the game.
 
I've been back for 3 weeks now and enjoying my setup. This time around I went with war, sha, ench, wiz, wiz, mag. I do have cleric that I can swap with one of the wiz if need extra heals but that is rare. Loving my group I'm level 118 now
 
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