Question - Beastlord vs Shaman afk group

[Anthilia]

I have recently decided to start a new afk group that is very melee heavy Sk, Clr, Brd, Zerk, Zerk, X. The problem I have is that I am having trouble between a shaman and beastlord for the last spot. I would love to hear opinions on which would fit better. I feel shaman will make the group sturdier, and the beastlord will make it kill quicker, but with the other 5 members of the group I don't know what would benefit the group more.

Thanks for any replies.

 

[Inkie]

In this case I'd vote shaman at least to start and probably try to keep a BL at least groupable with the others.

If your cleric glitches or something else goes wrong you can easily domino a group. (tank dies to spike damage, cleric gets aggro, cleric dies, nobody left to heal / rez)

that being said, once you're on solid ground and max level / aa, I'd probably set the shaman out of the group and let the BL be in the group.

 

[kaen01]

id totally pop another zerker, and forget bout the shaman and bst lol.

 

[Anthilia]

I had considered that as well, however this group is on a server that I have no high levels on to help PL with so I wanted the added benefits of slow and off heals which either bst or shaman could provide.

 

[Sum1]

Once your team is max level / max AA and semi-well geared your cleric could die and you'd still be fine tanking two mobs without CC in EoK tier 1 content. My SK will self-heal when the cleric dies, which I found out the hard way after coming back and seeing my group still chugging away with a dead cleric for literally hours. It was nuts.

So, go Beastlord.

 

[aspire2008]

I run a shaman in group and they only do about 10-15k dps and don't add much else. Think beastlord is the way to go if I had to do it over atm (i.e EoK being current).

 

[Birdman]

I run a cleric/shaman/warrior/bard/zerk/wiz and when the tank is in decent gear so far theirs not much you cant do, if you got a solid tank the cleric will heal great. I like the shaman for the slows, and buffs makes a big difference in my book, maybe do what some others said and level up with then shaman then make a bst and then put shaman out of group, I mean shit your options are endless.

 

[william12]

Beastlord i never run any group without one even caster groups.

I run a shaman in group and they only do about 10-15k dps and don't add much else. Think beastlord is the way to go if I had to do it over atm (i.e EoK being current).

do you have epic on zerkers and shm ? Because a shm is a HUGE dps increase for zerkers now. I believe roar of the lion is over 20k increase itself.

 

[Meistro]

Lots of reasons and ideas behind them all. I Love my Shaman, and I love my Beastlords. At lower levels, I think the Shaman would be a better fit, however, at higher end, I have had my Beast keep my groups alive when the Cleric wasn't working.

My 2cents...Beastlord, Reason: PARAGON. You are running a very high endurance using group, and there are very few things you can get that will actually help regen Endurance (as well as Mana and Hitpoints). the Beastlords Paragon and Focused Paragon AAs will (in my opinion) reduce your downtime by helping to keep your toons in the most desirable and hard to find substance called Endurance.

Also keep in mind that you Beastlord does have a very nice selection of caster abilities as well (Healing, DD, Dots, Debuffs), and the nice add of a tanking capable pet. Also remember that beasts do have minor forms of many of the Shaman spells pluss many abilities the Shaman does not.

Remember in the end it is what YOU want you group to do and/or be that makes a difference. Shaman are great backup healers/and buffers, and Beasts are well...beasts. Learn them both well and they will both do a lot for your groups.

Hope you figure out which will be best for you, and please keep us informed as to what your decision is (and maybe even why you decided that) as it my help others who are in a similar crossroads.

 

[beastdaddy]

Beast all the way with that make up. Paragon,Fero,Group burns in form of Dicho,Ruabrii's Fury,Group Bestial Alignment, Pet can tank as well as the beast itself. I tank all the time and tank well. With the AA for Hastened Protective spirit you get a huge defensive disc usable every 2 minutes or so. Not to mention they themselves even in group gear should pull in 50k dps+ without burning. Not to mention you get Focus,HP buff with attack, haste, slow, snare, and a pet buff that heals the current person tanking a mob.

 

[geEQ]

Beast all the way

Like any of us thought BEASTdaddy would say, "Go Shaman."

 

[Dretski]

I can easily tank EoK T1 content with just a beastlord for healing with my warrior. Shamans aren't needed for the group game at all imo.

 

[rhb]

I would also vote BL if you keep your cleric.

However if you ditch the cleric (as I usually do) you get two spots!

Go BL and Shm, or Zerk and Shm. My SK/Shm/Zerk/Zerk/Bst/Rog group is a disgusting piece of shit nasty DPS monster that even disgusts me with how quickly it destroys anything, I honestly don't use the group because nothing even spawns fast enough. Not even Sarnak forts or Spider caves... T2 is unbearable I just sit there doing nothing for 15 minutes. However it is amazing for Hero's missions and mowing through old content to get those Hero/Vit AAs.

 

[tucker]

I would also vote BL if you keep your cleric.

However if you ditch the cleric (as I usually do) you get two spots!

Go BL and Shm, or Zerk and Shm. My SK/Shm/Zerk/Zerk/Bst/Rog group is a disgusting piece of shit nasty DPS monster that even disgusts me with how quickly it destroys anything, I honestly don't use the group because nothing even spawns fast enough. Not even Sarnak forts or Spider caves... T2 is unbearable I just sit there doing nothing for 15 minutes. However it is amazing for Hero's missions and mowing through old content to get those Hero/Vit AAs.

Does rog add something over a 3rd zerk?


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[rhb]

I just like to play a rog, their synergy does add a melee dmg modifier for zerks though.

 

[Akatora]

I agree in a heavy melee group endurance regen is KING.. so a beastlord will be the best option for that. even in a heavy mana group a beastlord would be better because paragon is such a useful ability.

Beastlords at higher tiers in the group game do some pretty good damage from what I have seen on parses and such. And their pet is pretty beefy as well.

 

[kaycool101]

can always drop the cleric and go shaman + zerker/bst you dont need a cleric for group stuff at/near max aa. and a SK will heal himself good.

 

[nebulous]

I always see 'drop the cleric' advice in these threads, but I never do it. Maybe it has been bad luck, but when I've given the heals over to shaman my groups eat shit.

 

[Meistro]

I always see 'drop the cleric' advice in these threads, but I never do it. Maybe it has been bad luck, but when I've given the heals over to shaman my groups eat shit.

Haven't tried it with the newest version on KA. Normally with KA alone, my Shaman has issues keeping my groups alive if I am in a tough area. If the area is easier with spaced pulls, my Beastlord can heal the group.

Now, that said, when I used the plugin MQ2Heals on my Shaman and had an issue with my Cleric, my Shaman was easily able to keep the group healed. However he was not able to much of anything else. NOTE: This plugin works with Druids, Cleric, and Shamans (and I know hybrids were in the works like Rangers, Beastlords and Paladins).

So it IS possible to have your Shaman be main healer, but in a constant pull group when challenging mobs healing is about all he may do. Also mind much of their success will also depend on AA's, gear, spells (Rk I, II, or III), and how good your tank is. (most areas up through TBM no issues with my Raid SK, but my FTP TBM group geared Warrior things can get dicey).