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Best box for Beasts are Druids for healer due to added nuke auras and other adps they add. Then for CC I would roll a chanter or Bard. Bard is slightly higher dps but I really like the Chanter myself because between twincast,haze, and the new Night's Endless Terror it adds a ton to the beast in both dps and healing (Proc from Nights Endless Terror is amazing for classes with healing aa's) Since the pet changes I use pet to tank and molo namers in TDS/TBM all the time with just a cleric merc and pet tanking. One big hint to making your pets better is to gear them with attuneable gear. I use CoTF tradeskill gear. Arms and Legs add Ferocity and Cleave to your pet, Belt adds more haste to get to max haste amount or closer to it without a bard. Then depending on what mats I have I will use BP,Wrists,Helm, and boots. These add like 2k+ raw HP per piece plus over 100 ac per piece. Then I use the knight tradeskilled one handers with the rune procs. They can dual wield them and the proc helps both surviveablity and agro management for your pet. To max DPS you will need to keybind. I have my 5 nukes plus my dps spam key, pet attack key, Clamor/Focused clamor of claws depending on your situation. Then I use this for burns.
So I'll just generally share what I think about our burns cause I find it best to understand why something works more than just "do this cause it's best." If you don't care why then just scroll down to the " * * * "
Our burns are heavy in two areas Hundred Hands and Hit Mod %'s
Spirit Frenzy is faster than RF, but RF hits our pet. Pretty much everything else is based around this idea.
Beastial Alignment doesn't land on our pet and is more damage overall anyways so ideally it goes with Spirit Frenzy because that's when you'll but swinging the most, unless it's up with the raids main burn so it'll go with RF cause you want to RF the group more than you want to spirit frenzy yourself.
Frenzied Swipes increases the rate at which we can use Feral Swipe, so you want to use it with our largest hit mod (Beastial Alignment.)
Savage Rage lands on our Pet and is the second best hit mod % we have so ideally it'll go with RF but mostly it's hit right after BA in the burn line up because Spirit Frenzy is longer than BA and you can hit RF after Spirit Frenzy or vise versa and it will end just about the same time as SR.
Bloodlust is a massive proc mod, so you want to hit it when you're swinging the most (Spirit Frenzy.)
First Spire will add 42 to each hit, regardless of crits so you also want to hit it when you're swinging the most (Spirit Frenzy.)
Reflexive Rending will go with our highest hit mod because it's a set number of hits and you want to hit as hard as possible (Bestial Alignment)
Ferociousness kind of fills in the gaps, it is less than Savage Rage but more than Group Bestial Alignment so it can go after SR in a sustained burn or it can go with RF rather well because they have the same duration for when SR is down and a burn comes up.
Group Bestial Alignment is a long duration low hit mod %, so it's nice to hit either after Ferociousness on a longer sustained burn or when you're clearing out adds/a mini boss.
Glyph and 7th don't stack and 7th doesn't stack with IoG if you ever get that so they are hit in succession in your main burn.
Breastplate can be hit at any time whenever the timer is up, because you want to get the most value from it and it never crits and doesn't get focused or modified by anything. It's damage is always the same and it's proc amounts are also always the same.
Bestial Bloodrage is so long I would just hit it whenever it's up as well, it is effected by RF and slight by SR though with SR you likely lose the lower hit mod but because of the duration it's probably not worth worrying about.
That all being said this is what I do
* * *
In a single sustained burn like the second one off in Arx:
I hit RF + BA + Frenzied Swipes + Beastial Bloodrage + Glyph
When RF fades I hit Spirit Frenzy + Bloodlust + First Spire
When BA fades I hit SR
When Glyph fades I hit 7th
When I SR fades I hit Ferociousness
When Ferociousness fades I hit GBA
In a raid that varies on when burns can be I tend to do this
Spirit Frenzy + BA + Bloodlust + First Spire
SR when BA fades
I save RF for the raids main burn, and depending on what hit mods are up I hit the biggest one, for me this is mostly Ferociousness because I tend to not hold on to SR or BA. Other raid teams might be able to use RF more than once per event but I only ever have a chance to use it once which is why I save it for when the group is going to burn.
GBA I'll hit in sort of the inbetween phases when a burn is coming up in under 8 mins (SR recast timer.)
If you "really" only wanted to burn using hotkeys then I'd probably do this
Key one
Spririt Frenzy
BA
Bloodlust
1st spire
Frenzied Swipes
Key two
SR
RF
Key three
Ferociousness
Key Four
Bestial Bloodrage
TDS Breastplate
Key 5
GBA
Taste of Blood's recast timer is less than it's duration, you can add it to your pre raid buffs instead of using it in a burn key.
Reflexive Rending I think has more value when used for it's endurance which isn't much but if you're recovering a raid I think it'll help your grp more to get a little endurance rather than a very very minimal amount of damage in a burn.
Hope this helps and I am going to make a post to hopefully get stickied and hopefully more will post more proper burn orders on other classes.
Please Sticky This if possible.
So I'll just generally share what I think about our burns cause I find it best to understand why something works more than just "do this cause it's best." If you don't care why then just scroll down to the " * * * "
Our burns are heavy in two areas Hundred Hands and Hit Mod %'s
Spirit Frenzy is faster than RF, but RF hits our pet. Pretty much everything else is based around this idea.
Beastial Alignment doesn't land on our pet and is more damage overall anyways so ideally it goes with Spirit Frenzy because that's when you'll but swinging the most, unless it's up with the raids main burn so it'll go with RF cause you want to RF the group more than you want to spirit frenzy yourself.
Frenzied Swipes increases the rate at which we can use Feral Swipe, so you want to use it with our largest hit mod (Beastial Alignment.)
Savage Rage lands on our Pet and is the second best hit mod % we have so ideally it'll go with RF but mostly it's hit right after BA in the burn line up because Spirit Frenzy is longer than BA and you can hit RF after Spirit Frenzy or vise versa and it will end just about the same time as SR.
Bloodlust is a massive proc mod, so you want to hit it when you're swinging the most (Spirit Frenzy.)
First Spire will add 42 to each hit, regardless of crits so you also want to hit it when you're swinging the most (Spirit Frenzy.)
Reflexive Rending will go with our highest hit mod because it's a set number of hits and you want to hit as hard as possible (Bestial Alignment)
Ferociousness kind of fills in the gaps, it is less than Savage Rage but more than Group Bestial Alignment so it can go after SR in a sustained burn or it can go with RF rather well because they have the same duration for when SR is down and a burn comes up.
Group Bestial Alignment is a long duration low hit mod %, so it's nice to hit either after Ferociousness on a longer sustained burn or when you're clearing out adds/a mini boss.
Glyph and 7th don't stack and 7th doesn't stack with IoG if you ever get that so they are hit in succession in your main burn.
Breastplate can be hit at any time whenever the timer is up, because you want to get the most value from it and it never crits and doesn't get focused or modified by anything. It's damage is always the same and it's proc amounts are also always the same.
Bestial Bloodrage is so long I would just hit it whenever it's up as well, it is effected by RF and slight by SR though with SR you likely lose the lower hit mod but because of the duration it's probably not worth worrying about.
That all being said this is what I do
* * *
In a single sustained burn like the second one off in Arx:
I hit RF + BA + Frenzied Swipes + Beastial Bloodrage + Glyph
When RF fades I hit Spirit Frenzy + Bloodlust + First Spire
When BA fades I hit SR
When Glyph fades I hit 7th
When I SR fades I hit Ferociousness
When Ferociousness fades I hit GBA
In a raid that varies on when burns can be I tend to do this
Spirit Frenzy + BA + Bloodlust + First Spire
SR when BA fades
I save RF for the raids main burn, and depending on what hit mods are up I hit the biggest one, for me this is mostly Ferociousness because I tend to not hold on to SR or BA. Other raid teams might be able to use RF more than once per event but I only ever have a chance to use it once which is why I save it for when the group is going to burn.
GBA I'll hit in sort of the inbetween phases when a burn is coming up in under 8 mins (SR recast timer.)
If you "really" only wanted to burn using hotkeys then I'd probably do this
Key one
Spririt Frenzy
BA
Bloodlust
1st spire
Frenzied Swipes
Key two
SR
RF
Key three
Ferociousness
Key Four
Bestial Bloodrage
TDS Breastplate
Key 5
GBA
Taste of Blood's recast timer is less than it's duration, you can add it to your pre raid buffs instead of using it in a burn key.
Reflexive Rending I think has more value when used for it's endurance which isn't much but if you're recovering a raid I think it'll help your grp more to get a little endurance rather than a very very minimal amount of damage in a burn.
Hope this helps and I am going to make a post to hopefully get stickied and hopefully more will post more proper burn orders on other classes.
Please Sticky This if possible.
