Question - Aradune Boxer's Club

[dannuic]

Dont need them to tell you.
Have them send you the files.
Then send it to EQMule and he can dig into it

what.... why would they.... dude, that's not going to happen.
Excuse me, would you like to send me your cracked copies so I can prevent you from doing this? No? Okay then.

This is literally why people aren't sharing/

 

[dannuic]

Then there isent any cracked version.
Since you dont have it or seen it?
All you know is someone claiming to have it?

I mean, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Wasn't that the argument you were making before?
Occam's Razor this shit: Which is easier to believe, that the protections in place are perfectly uncrackable, or that some people are able to figure it out?
I'll save you the trouble, the latter is the simpler assumption.

 

[Ctalbus]

I have spent many hundreds of hours doing completely pointless things in life. At least whoever put those hours into this has made a lot of money from it the last few years.

Imagine botting 80+ characters on 3-4 years of truebox servers.

 

[dannuic]

You dont know what i can do or cant do, but im more then happy to demostrate
Im saying all i hear is claimes no evidence.

So what I'm hearing is that you think it's possible because you think you can do it. So... explain why other people can't do it.

 

[dannuic]

I never made an assumption about what you can do. I was trying to make a point that you're assuming no one can do this, which is patently false.

 

[dannuic]

"With the knowledge" is a pretty damn low bar. Tons of people that care about EQ have plenty of skills to do a little reversing, which is all it would take. Like, that's exactly who is in this community. Besides, people make money from this, that just creates more incentive to do it. I am completely baffled why you are refusing to believe the simpler conclusion that people have and will continue to have MQ2 on truebox servers.

 

[Knightly]

I think the idea that anything to do with MQ2 on Truebox impacts MQ2 on Live or Rizlona is, at this point, incorrect. They are policed separately. There are members of this community who have been banned while following all of the "safe" MQ2 practices.

Regardless, the current argument is like saying "Bank robbers don't exist unless you send me their tools and turn that over to the authorities to stop them."

Anyone who is doing what is purported has a vested interest in specifically NOT sending that information to anyone who would stop them doing it. At one point the argument was made that "If someone could do this they would want to send it to eqmule just to prove him wrong" and the reality is that no one who has the skills to do this would turn it over because then that makes their lives harder.

It's the same reason we don't want to get in a cat and mouse game with DPG on protections. No one wants to spend that kind of time. It's not that it's not possible to escalate, just that the time it takes isn't worth it.

But, as I said, regardless of all that -- "The wrong message" or "The right message" to DPG hasn't stopped them from banning anyone.

 

[drwhomphd]

I think the idea that anything to do with MQ2 on Truebox impacts MQ2 on Live or Rizlona is, at this point, incorrect. They are policed separately. There are members of this community who have been banned while following all of the "safe" MQ2 practices.

Regardless, the current argument is like saying "Bank robbers don't exist unless you send me their tools and turn that over to the authorities to stop them."

Anyone who is doing what is purported has a vested interest in specifically NOT sending that information to anyone who would stop them doing it. At one point the argument was made that "If someone could do this they would want to send it to eqmule just to prove him wrong" and the reality is that no one who has the skills to do this would turn it over because then that makes their lives harder.

It's the same reason we don't want to get in a cat and mouse game with DPG on protections. No one wants to spend that kind of time. It's not that it's not possible to escalate, just that the time it takes isn't worth it.

But, as I said, regardless of all that -- "The wrong message" or "The right message" to DPG hasn't stopped them from banning anyone.

And the old adage: "The worst criminals to ask on how to be a successful criminal are the ones you meet in jail."

 

[Ctalbus]

@Spiken This isn't some program that is out there for sale. These people aren't sending it off to their friends to check out. It wouldn't have been kept secret all these years if they had handed it out to other people.

Also, that boat sailed I think. The reason stuff on live is happening is because of the botting going on the last few years on TLPs. They trained their staff to crack down on TLP stuff going on and Live is being caught in the crosshairs.

Really though the MQ2 or whatever you want to call it, isn't a huge deal by itself. It's the combination of Automation + Warping + breaking truebox limitations. Whatever is out there being used, is better than virtual machine. But, without all 3 of these, it wouldn't be a huge deal. But, having all 3 is like being a God. Who cares if someone trains your 1 or 2 groups in pick 12, you've got 8 more groups and you can just warp those wiped groups back whenever you want. It's pretty hilarious when you think about how little training even effects these guys botting 10+ groups.

 

[dannuic]

Yeah, that's a good point too. It doesn't actually matter if it's MQ2 or something else (in reality, it's a lot of things including MQ2). People gonna cheat on trueboxes, and no amount of "security" can stop it. More importantly, they are functionally indistinguishable to most people.

 

[drwhomphd]

DPG seems to either lack the resources or design time to actually work in economic incentives that reduce the chance of rampant boxing that affects folks play. Some of this is because "picks are expensive, agents of chance are expensive". Others, are a bit more difficult as they're built into the "slow" nature of classic play. I think there was a lot of this discussion that got, perhaps ignored, but considered not possible given their resources prior to the release of Rizlona.

 

[braedo]

how is a cracked version any different than that bots you release for aradune, spiken? sure MQ is more sophisticated, but both are intended to skirt around the rules and provide automation to some extent.

 

[InvisigothMT]

Well what I am about to say is second hand hearsay but since it opposes what I've stated before in this thread I'll throw it out for consideration. An old guildy of mine who plays whatever the newest TLP is told me that he talked to one of the senior guides on Mangler and asked if MQ2 was there, the guide told him yes but they'd only seen it once and it was an accident that they came across the crew using it. He said the guide told him that they had never had one single accurate petition of anyone using it though.

So, I suppose I may be wrong about this. It sounds like those that have it must be very very careful or else with all the false reports that it gets lost in the noise