Question - 125 Warrior DPS abilities- Stacking...

[Granditos]

Hey all. Been playing around with my warrior ini and noticed that Sic's and many of the other ini's don't have a bunch of the DPS abilities. Wanted to get some warrior main's opinion on the following abilities:

Determined Reprisal
Wars Sheol's Heroic Blade
Razor Tongue Discipline
Rage of Rallos
Vehement Rage

It seems that I can just click through these on burns or just when grinding to increase DPS. There doesn't seem to be any stacking issues with these. The only one I need to watch is vehement rage on tough fights because it reduces instant duration healing spells by 10% but the others seem to be just pure DPS.

How does everyone else use these abilities?

 

[Eltai86]

Determined is on my mash key when manually playing and actively tanking

War sheols I pair with charge

Rage of rallos if I’m tanking for building agro on longer duration bosses, or if not tanking I pair it with my main burn.

Don’t use vehement, it’s a trap ability. The dmg increase doesn’t stack with battle leap, so it functionally reduces incoming healing and gives the very small min hit dmg boost

 

[Granditos]

Determined is on my mash key when manually playing and actively tanking

War sheols I pair with charge

Rage of rallos if I’m tanking for building agro on longer duration bosses, or if not tanking I pair it with my main burn.

Don’t use vehement, it’s a trap ability. The dmg increase doesn’t stack with battle leap, so it functionally reduces incoming healing and gives the very small min hit dmg boost

Awesome. Thank you!

For charge, is that Charge Discipline (lvl 53)? I'm hesitant to ever use my my offensive disc (currently have Offensive Disc and Brightfields on my hotkey bar) and drop Vigorous defense/Stand/Fort, unless i'm just grinding name camp.

 

[Granditos]

Determined is on my mash key when manually playing and actively tanking

War sheols I pair with charge

Rage of rallos if I’m tanking for building agro on longer duration bosses, or if not tanking I pair it with my main burn.

Don’t use vehement, it’s a trap ability. The dmg increase doesn’t stack with battle leap, so it functionally reduces incoming healing and gives the very small min hit dmg boost

Also looks like charge is on same timer as Razor tongue disc.

 

[RobRenfro]

Thanks for this discussion. A Warrior is the only class and plugin that I don't have. If I make one for raiding I really appreciate posts like this. There is always s of much good stuff on here to learn.

 

[Eltai86]

Awesome. Thank you!

For charge, is that Charge Discipline (lvl 53)? I'm hesitant to ever use my my offensive disc (currently have Offensive Disc and Brightfields on my hotkey bar) and drop Vigorous defense/Stand/Fort, unless i'm just grinding name camp.

Yes the low level disc. It shares a timer with a few others including the mighty strike line. Once crit capped mighty strike falls behind and charge takes over paired with War Sheols.

As far as Offensive Disc I don't use it and here is why:
[CODE title="Offensive Disc"][34047/15523] Offensive Discipline Rk. III
Classes: WAR/97
Skill: Offense (Combat Skill)
Endurance: 1237, Upkeep: 10 per second
Target: Self
Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
Focusable: Yes
Casting: 0s, Recast: 4m, Timer: 2
Duration: 3m+ (30 ticks), Dispelable: No
1: Increase Hit Damage by 45% (v185)
2: Increase Min Hit Damage by 160%
3: Increase Hit Damage Bonus by 316 (v418)
4: Increase Hit Damage Taken by 35%
Text: You lower your defenses to add strength to your attacks.[/CODE]

The hit damage by 45% does nothing at higher levels (Same SPA as Battle Leap), if you are tanking you are increasing incoming damage, the other boosts are limited potency, and it blocks out your ability to use the stand line. In raids especially when I am boxing, I want/need to have stand free because it is not uncommon I grab 3-6 adds at a time with my primary warrior. In group game, I pull swarms not 1-2 at a time and would rather have stand and grab larger stacks when it's running and get the boost from riposte dmg+determined

 

[Granditos]

Yes the low level disc. It shares a timer with a few others including the mighty strike line. Once crit capped mighty strike falls behind and charge takes over paired with War Sheols.

As far as Offensive Disc I don't use it and here is why:
[CODE title="Offensive Disc"][34047/15523] Offensive Discipline Rk. III
Classes: WAR/97
Skill: Offense (Combat Skill)
Endurance: 1237, Upkeep: 10 per second
Target: Self
Resist: Beneficial, Blockable: Yes
Focusable: Yes
Casting: 0s, Recast: 4m, Timer: 2
Duration: 3m+ (30 ticks), Dispelable: No
1: Increase Hit Damage by 45% (v185)
2: Increase Min Hit Damage by 160%
3: Increase Hit Damage Bonus by 316 (v418)
4: Increase Hit Damage Taken by 35%
Text: You lower your defenses to add strength to your attacks.[/CODE]

The hit damage by 45% does nothing at higher levels (Same SPA as Battle Leap), if you are tanking you are increasing incoming damage, the other boosts are limited potency, and it blocks out your ability to use the stand line. In raids especially when I am boxing, I want/need to have stand free because it is not uncommon I grab 3-6 adds at a time with my primary warrior. In group game, I pull swarms not 1-2 at a time and would rather have stand and grab larger stacks when it's running and get the boost from riposte dmg+determined

Awesome. Super helpful! Nixing offensive disc and adding in charge.

In raid content are you able to tank 3+ adds with just stand up? I usually have to to use flash and then quick to fort to handle that. And I’m decently raid geared and auged.

 

[jimbob]

Thanks for this discussion. A Warrior is the only class and plugin that I don't have. If I make one for raiding I really appreciate posts like this. There is always s of much good stuff on here to learn.

I was working on it for Free plugin on MQ2AFNuke, but... I got banned. It's like that song... I was gonna... but then I got high... Replace high with banned. lol

I don't have a new warrior yet. I am slow-rolling a new crew... And a "kosher" raid account.

Awesome. Super helpful! Nixing offensive disc and adding in charge.

In raid content are you able to tank 3+ adds with just stand up? I usually have to to use flash and then quick to fort to handle that. And I’m decently raid geared and auged.

That always depends on incoming healing... You "should" be able to handle 3 adds in a raid as a warrior with 2 healers (paladin + clr / clr + shm, etc.). Bard in the group helps.

 

[Granditos]

That always depends on incoming healing... You "should" be able to handle 3 adds in a raid as a warrior with 2 healers (paladin + clr / clr + shm, etc.). Bard in the group helps.

Knew it wasn’t my fault . lol. Thanks!

 

[Eltai86]

Knew it wasn’t my fault . lol. Thanks!

It really comes down to configuration, healer distribution and are your healers awake. I've tanked 4+ with no stand or glyph example post-death and neither is available and use flash heavily but usually save fort for oh fuck situations (multiple tank deaths and I'm now AE Taunt and stacking 6+ adds), but its spikey and higher risk profile for obvious reasons. On pitfight I've tanked a boss+their spawned add stack (melee slow boss) plus any other adds that are popped before with just a stand going but its also not no risk but at the same time killing the adds off increases time with the boss live which increases risk in other ways.

 

[Granditos]

It really comes down to configuration, healer distribution and are your healers awake. I've tanked 4+ with no stand or glyph example post-death and neither is available and use flash heavily but usually save fort for oh fuck situations (multiple tank deaths and I'm now AE Taunt and stacking 6+ adds), but its spikey and higher risk profile for obvious reasons. On pitfight I've tanked a boss+their spawned add stack (melee slow boss) plus any other adds that are popped before with just a stand going but its also not no risk but at the same time killing the adds off increases time with the boss live which increases risk in other ways.

Awesome. Thank you @Eltai86. Amazing info as a newer raid warrior.

 

[Eltai86]

Awesome. Thank you @Eltai86. Amazing info as a newer raid warrior.

No worries, also take with a grain of salt that I’ve been maining a warrior for over a decade, know my healers are always awake and where there healings going to be going, and was doing this with full NOS t2 gear functionally with all the bells and whistles so ymmv.

This goes for basically any class, if you aren’t in the class discords for the classes you play you’re only hurting yourself (I do recommend separate discord accounts for this if you are also on RG/ectunnel etc because what other channels you’re in can also be explored )