Question - Voice of Thule

[LurkMcGurk]

This ability (Voice of Thule) is both an SK spell and an SK AA. When I put it into my INI file under buffs, the SK will mem the spell instead of using the AA. I tried to delete the spell from my spellbook but.... It's apparently undeleteable. So, my question is - is there any way to tell Kissassist NOT to use the spell version of Voice of Thule and to use the AA one?

 

[kaen01]

Buffs8=Voice of Thule|ma

is how i do it, and it uses the aa

kiss is designed in such a way that it first checks for item, disc, aa, and then spell. so you might not have the aa?

 

[LurkMcGurk]

Buffs8=Voice of Thule|ma

is how i do it, and it uses the aa

kiss is designed in such a way that it first checks for item, disc, aa, and then spell. so you might not have the aa?

The AA is autogranted to you, so maybe you dont have the spell?

(Of course I have the AA, that's such a silly question to ask - especially since I basically answered it with the original post when I said I tried deleting the spell; that makes it pretty obvious that I have the AA and am trying to use it.)

 

[kaen01]

well you might think you have it yet, maybe you dont... as it should work out of the box then.

 

[eqtrader74]

Yeah my 110 SK will sometimes bug and think the Voice of Thule AA isn't available or something, then it mems the spell. The reason it is a pain is the spell has a long recast, so KA sits there for quite awhile in the Buff phase. I haven't figured out a way to avoid it or exactly what conditions cause it.

This is my version that causes the issue:

Buffs5=Voice of Thule|MA

It doesn't happen often enough for me to change it, but I was planning to switch that to an "/alt activiate" down in MQ2Melee if needed.

 

[LurkMcGurk]

well you might think you have it yet, maybe you dont... as it should work out of the box then.

Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone or will work every time. It also doesn't mean it will always work that way/the way it's designed. That's a really silly assumption to make, especially with code & computers. If code always worked the way it was intended to and was 100% reliable there wouldn't be a slew of memes about "My code works, I have no idea why" My favorite: https://pics.me.me/my-code-doesntwork-i-have-no-idea-why-my-code-14032929.png

Anyway, my original post had enough context clues to where it is obvious I have the AA. Like I said, I tried deleting the spell from my spellbook in an attempt to get KA to use the AA but the spell was undeletable. That's not something someone would do if they were unsure if they had the AA purchased. It's like someone asking a question about a program crashing their computer and you asking them, are you sure you have that program installed/your computer is plugged in? The program wouldn't even be able to crash if it wasn't installed and the computer was plugged in. At some point it stops being helpful and just becomes rude to assume that the person is so inherently stupid they have no idea what they're doing. When helping someone, it's decent to extend some common courtesy and not just assume they're a mouth breathing retard.

Only saying this because I noticed more hostility in this community starting around the same time Discord was added. It's not helpful when coders are too arrogant and they assume the user is always the problem and it's never the code. That's not how bugs get fixed or how good programs are made.

Yeah my 110 SK will sometimes bug and think the Voice of Thule AA isn't available or something, then it mems the spell. The reason it is a pain is the spell has a long recast, so KA sits there for quite awhile in the Buff phase. I haven't figured out a way to avoid it or exactly what conditions cause it.

This is my version that causes the issue:

Buffs5=Voice of Thule|MA

It doesn't happen often enough for me to change it, but I was planning to switch that to an "/alt activiate" down in MQ2Melee if needed.

I think you're right that it doesn't always mem the spell because I have seen my SK use the AA sometimes and not mem the spell, or more accurately I should say - I haven't seen him mem the Voice of Thule spell for the last few months so that must mean he was using the AA. I've also seen this occur with Yaulp, the Cleric/Paladin AA. Sometimes my Cleric uses the Yaulp ability and not the AA. Also, sometimes my Enchanter mems Dready Deeds (done dirt cheap) instead of using the Dready Deeds AA. It's not all that common but it does seem to happen occasionally. I've just never felt like making a bug report about it until now =P

 

[TheFiddler]

Try this...

In your "KissAssist_[ServerName]_[ToonName].ini" file, Set Buffs Conditions On to 1:

BuffsCOn=1

Add/Substitute what you need from the following into your Buffs section:

Buffs8=Voice of Thule|MA
BuffsCond8=(${Me.AltAbilityReady[Voice of Thule]} && ${Target.PctHPs}>15 && ${Target.PctHPs}<99 && ${Target.Type.Equal[NPC]} && ${Melee.AggroMode})

OR in your Melee ini

Downflag0=1
Downshit0=/if (${Me.AltAbilityReady[Voice of Thule]} && ${Target.PctHPs}>15 && ${Target.PctHPs}<99 && ${Target.Type.Equal[NPC]} && ${Melee.AggroMode}) /doability "Voice of Thule"

~TheFiddler~

 

[Sum1]

My kissassist uses the AA all the time.

 

[hellfyre]

Way to get hateful to responses. All my sks use the aa everytime and they all have the spell. Sorry I don't know what the issue is with yours.

 

[judd1720]

Not exactly a fix for your problem, however something that will help you if aggro is an issue is to use your Touch of XXXXX spells.
Touch of Hemofax
Description
1: Decrease Hitpoints by 4271
Recourse Effect Gift of Hemofax
2: Increase Agro Multiplier by 25%
5: Increase HP when cast by 3223
6: Increase Max Hitpoints by 3211 to 2743
This is far better of an aggro proc than VOT
Voice of Thule
Description
1: Increase Aggro Modifier by 12%

So in short, add Touch of XXX to your DPS section, and reap all the benefits (HP Buff/Aggro multiplier).
I am not a coder.....just a player. Try

DPS12=Touch of Hemofax|99|Once

The buff on a max aa toon is about 16 minutes....so if it casts it once a mob, the proc should be on you at all times.

Hope this helps.

 

[kaen01]

Dear lurkygurky,

I worked in IT Support for a while, and yes i know its always bad assuming, but i assumed, very wrongly, that when i asked people a question and they said yes, that they infact was right and also understood the question, because i knew i was dealing with intelligent grown up people.

I was good at my job, so good customers we had outside the company, that we also supported would request me, or just simply hang up if i wasn't the one on their case, eventually i did all the support cases it was just easier that way.

Now one thing i learned, is that people might expect things one way and try and get help with it that way, block a goes into round hole b, if it dont its wrong.

So yes many many times i had to literally start from the beginning, and ask these grown up people, with 7 years of university just to be in that job, did you turn on the wall switch for the power?.

Now i know you are mostly a capable person, but you also seem to react in a way, when people try and help you, where you can be considered hostile or difficult. now you might have the aa or not, i have no way of knowing, i can take your word for it, but experience tells me its wrong to do so.

Now i have a sk with the aa, and only time i seen it load from the book was when i didn't have the aa, so again from personal experience it works for as intended.

I also learned when i was young, that if you ask for help don't be upset or angry if it dont turn out the way you wanted it, you coulda been wrong, or things could have changed.

but just for you lurkygurky, i am gonna investigate the case and bug the shit outta maskoi

because that's just how i fucking roll, and its fun to bug maskoi

 

[saar]

Also using mq2cast to cast spells, unless it was changed recently it parses; spells (front of the book to back of the book), AA's, Disc's, Item's. So when mq2cast is called for "Voice of Thule" it looks in that order, which is why it mem's the spell. cast_routines was reworked to parse differently, so without digging a trench into kiss I am not 100% sure which its calling from. But as stated assumming is how things get messed up. What Judd had put in will work for what you need unless it is a lower level sk, which then i would make a holy/downshit to cast it for you.

 

[rhb]

I actually just noticed this a few days ago as well, my SK has never tried to mem VoT as a spell and now does attempt loading it when the AA is down. Usually after buffing himself with the AA, dying, then having the AA down and trying to mem the spell.

KA is defaulting to the AA, but does go for the spell when the AA is down. It ain't wrong, it's just not right.

 

[LorDeth]

I actually just noticed this a few days ago as well, my SK has never tried to mem VoT as a spell and now does attempt loading it when the AA is down. Usually after buffing himself with the AA, dying, then having the AA down and trying to mem the spell.

KA is defaulting to the AA, but does go for the spell when the AA is down. It ain't wrong, it's just not right.

Just something to note, but Voice of Thule III (25%) aggro increase does NOT stack with the anger V (25%) focus from the raid masks... Which, if you have a mask with the 25% or 30% anger focus, you can stop using Voice of Thule (AA or spell)...

Lucy shows 'echo of anger V and VI' DO NOT STACK with voice of thule III, the 25% anger spell..

There ya go, if you are equipped with appropriate mask, one less thing you need kiss to worry about !

 

[kaen01]

stop dying on your sks!

but yeha rhb is right, and the fix should be easy, can just check if its the aa,you have, then instead of going to the book just skip it, till its ready., win win time.

 

[rhb]

Good to know they don't stack, but that SK doesn't have raid gear... which leads to that thing kaen mentioned, dying.

 

[TheDroidUrLookingFor]

My shaman also does this with Talisman of Celerity.

 

[LorDeth]

Good to know they don't stack, but that SK doesn't have raid gear... which leads to that thing kaen mentioned, dying.

Well DAMMIT stop DYING then!!!

also side note, chase masks since COTF has the anger V, so that 25% is actually fairly accessible without actually raiding..

 

[Rooster]

Well one spell and item will stack for hate mods...like haste.


Also, VoT is higher then item(assuming group)...so just using mask is silly when you can have a much higher mod from spell (if they didn't stack, but they do)

Keep using mask aggro and VoT.... They stack.