Question - Type 18/19 Aug Question

[Granditos]

Trying to decifer the type 18 augs. Anyone know what Protecting Ice, Soothing, and Warding Ice do?

Augment Name	AC	HDex	HSta	HP	Mana	End	Effect
Acolyte's Assault of Legacies Lost	86		0+13	1235	1235	1235
Acolyte's Assaulting Ice of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Melee Activates Proc
Acolyte's Attacker of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Plus accuracy
Acolyte's Casting Ice of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Casting Activates Proc
Acolyte's Defending Ice of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Defending Activates Proc
Acolyte's Defense of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Increase AC Cap
Acolyte's Dorsal Defense of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Damage Mitigation from behind
Acolyte's Enhancement of Legacies Lost	35	0+35	0+35	870	870	870
Acolyte's Fortification of Legacies Lost	129	0+37	0+13	675	675	675
Acolyte's Protecting Ice of Legacies Lost	129	0+37	0+13	675	675	675	?
Acolyte's Soothing of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	?
Acolyte's Stealth of Legacies Lost	86		0+13	1075	1075	1075
Acolyte's Strategy of Legacies Lost	66		0+13	911	911	911
Acolyte's Ventral Defense of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8	313	313	313	Damage Mitigation from Front
Acolyte's Warding Ice of Legacies Lost	35	0+8	0+8				?

 

[Myysterio]

Protecting Ice gives you an additional 5% chance to resist damage dealt
Soothing gives boost to healing that lands on you
Warding Ice gives you reduction to ice damage dealt to you

 

[Kookies]

Part of your confusion is likely coming from using an outdated spell parser. While Allakhazam/Lucy definitely paved the way in terms of this, they haven't kept pace with the modern ones since about 2008.

The two I use are generally eqresource/raidloot. I prefer raidloot's way of displaying SPAs generally, but prefer eqresource's overall aesthetic more because it brings me back to using lucy for many years.

Protecting Ice: https://spells.eqresource.com/spells.php?id=68755
6% chance to block/resist ice spells from landing on you.

Soothing: https://spells.eqresource.com/spells.php?id=68766
If the spell casted on you is a heal, and costs at least 50 mana, it'll do 4% extra healing.

Warding Ice: https://spells.eqresource.com/spells.php?id=68757
If the spell casted on you is a nuke or dot, and is a cold-resist check, it will do between 1 and 6% less damage to you.

For reference, this is the other spell parser referenced: https://www.raidloot.com/spells

 

[Granditos]

Protecting Ice gives you an additional 5% chance to resist damage dealt
Soothing gives boost to healing that lands on you
Warding Ice gives you reduction to ice damage dealt to you

Thank you.

Part of your confusion is likely coming from using an outdated spell parser. While Allakhazam/Lucy definitely paved the way in terms of this, they haven't kept pace with the modern ones since about 2008.

The two I use are generally eqresource/raidloot. I prefer raidloot's way of displaying SPAs generally, but prefer eqresource's overall aesthetic more because it brings me back to using lucy for many years.

Protecting Ice: https://spells.eqresource.com/spells.php?id=68755
6% chance to block/resist ice spells from landing on you.

Soothing: https://spells.eqresource.com/spells.php?id=68766
If the spell casted on you is a heal, and costs at least 50 mana, it'll do 4% extra healing.

Warding Ice: https://spells.eqresource.com/spells.php?id=68757
If the spell casted on you is a nuke or dot, and is a cold-resist check, it will do between 1 and 6% less damage to you.

For reference, this is the other spell parser referenced: https://www.raidloot.com/spells

Super helpful and yes you are right, was looking at allah. Never used raidloot for proc based searches, I’ll check it out.

Side question: caster and melee dps is pretty straightforward. But there are a lot of options for tanks (specifically a warrior). Dmg mitigation in front, AC soft cap increase, ice proc on defensive abilities, extra healing…. I’m thinking AC soft cap, ice proc on defense (since my warrior is a DPS monster), and maybe dmg mitigation from front. What is recommended for raid geared tanks?

 

[durango773]

Thank you.

Super helpful and yes you are right, was looking at allah. Never used raidloot for proc based searches, I’ll check it out.

Side question: caster and melee dps is pretty straightforward. But there are a lot of options for tanks (specifically a warrior). Dmg mitigation in front, AC soft cap increase, ice proc on defensive abilities, extra healing…. I’m thinking AC soft cap, ice proc on defense (since my warrior is a DPS monster), and maybe dmg mitigation from front. What is recommended for raid geared tanks?

So "raid" geared always works, however, if my tank is primarly group, i build them DPS (group content is easy, then on raids, i make 2 of the 6 DPS).

 

[Leo]

on my tanks, I do Frontal mitigation, incoming healing increase, and accuracy. I found the AC softcap to be very lackluster compared to the other 3. I bet you'd get slightly more dps from the accuracy aug vs the defensive proc aug, especially with a war dual wielding. To be honest it's splitting hairs but we know EQ is a game of inches lol!

 

[Granditos]

on my tanks, I do Frontal mitigation, incoming healing increase, and accuracy. I found the AC softcap to be very lackluster compared to the other 3. I bet you'd get slightly more dps from the accuracy aug vs the defensive proc aug, especially with a war dual wielding. To be honest it's splitting hairs but we know EQ is a game of inches lol!

Yeah agreed. Looks like I need to farm some more ores… Thanks!

 

[Granditos]

Has anyone looked at the procs on devotee versus acolytes? Allah seems to show them
being the same. Guessing it would be dumb to blow a type 19 on a proc aug when it’s the same as the type 18.

 

[jessesarah19]

Has anyone looked at the procs on devotee versus acolytes? Allah seems to show them
being the same. Guessing it would be dumb to blow a type 19 on a proc aug when it’s the same as the type 18.

So the

Acolyte's Casting Ice of Legacies Lost Surge of Ice I ​

with the

Devotee's Casting Ice of Legacies Lost Surge of Ice II ​

have 2 different Procs and those are correct and stack and both very useful for a caster or who ever would like extra procs and don't want to go back to ToV .

 

[Granditos]

So the

Acolyte's Casting Ice of Legacies Lost Surge of Ice I​

with the

Devotee's Casting Ice of Legacies Lost Surge of Ice II​

have 2 different Procs and those are correct and stack and both very useful for a caster or who ever would like extra procs and don't want to go back to ToV .

Nice. Doing that on casters.

How about the tank ones? Like ventral defense? Edit: it doesn’t seem to proc so guessing it doesn’t stack…

 

[jessesarah19]

Nice. Doing that on casters.

How about the tank ones? Like ventral defense? Edit: it doesn’t seem to proc so guessing it doesn’t stack…

Ok so your Acolyte's Ventral Defense of Legacies Lost is 0.8% and your Devotee's Ventral Defense of Legacies Lost is 1.1% from frontal damage

 

[Granditos]

Ok so your Acolyte's Ventral Defense of Legacies Lost is 0.8% and your Devotee's Ventral Defense of Legacies Lost is 1.1% from frontal damage

Where are you checking info? I couldn’t find that anywhere. Raidloot doesn’t seem to have the devotee’s in there yet.

 

[jessesarah19]

Where are you checking info? I couldn’t find that anywhere. Raidloot doesn’t seem to have the devotee’s in there yet.

In Game on my tank who has both made.

 

[Granditos]

In Game on my tank who has both made.

Oh nice.

What did you end up doing for type 18/19 for tank and casters?

Tanks
19- Fortification and ventral defense
18- assault, attacker, defending ice, stealth?

Casters/dps
19- casting ice, enhancement
18- casting ice, enhancement, assaulting, strategy

?

 

[jessesarah19]

Oh nice.

What did you end up doing for type 18/19 for tank and casters?

Tanks
19- Fortification and ventral defense
18- assault, attacker, defending ice, stealth?

Casters/dps
19- casting ice, enhancement
18- casting ice, enhancement, assaulting, strategy

?

yes for the (Casters) and the (Tank) Ventral Defense and Soothing on 19's and 18's Fortification, Attacker, Enhancement, Stealth are what i am using

 

[Granditos]

How has everyone done their 18/19s? This is what I am doing/working on for my tank and DPS casters. Haven't got the caster proc aug from anniversary yet, but will try this year. Caster has earring, neck, and cloak. Tank only has neck and cloak.

Caster:

19​	LS	Devotee	Enhancement
19​	LS	devotee	Assault
19​	LS	devotee	Strategy
19​	NoS	devotee	Assault
19​	LS	devotee	Casting Ice 2
18​	LS	Acolyte	Casting Ice
18​	LS	Acolyte	Enhancement
18​	LS	Acolyte	Strategy (switch with Anniv proc)
18​	LS	Acolyte	Assault

Tank (warrior):

19​	LS	Devotee	Ventral
19​	LS	devotee	Fortification
19​	LS	Devotee	Soothing
18​	LS	Acolyte	Fortification
18​	NoS	Acolyte	Fortification
18​	LS	Acolyte	Attacking/Defending Ice
18​	LS	Acolyte	Assault

Turns out there isn't a NOS Devotee enhancement. The type 18 is special from the anniversary mission. So switched it to LS strategy for caster.

For tank- will add Attacking to type 19 once I get another slot.

 

[Leo]

I kind of order them in priority for my tank priority 1 being best Ventral since they don't stack, 2 best soothing since they dont stack, then the fortifications as you have them, and the rest i fill in with the +accuracy ones since the + accuracy stuff stacks. I don't have numbers to back this up, too lazy to parse it out hahahaha, but I remember reading somewhere that for melee classes the + accuracy was more dps vs the proc augs. For casters that's different though, I know casters the proc augs are preferred. Someone else might have a different take on it though.

 

[GoldenFrog]

I kind of order them in priority for my tank priority 1 being best Ventral since they don't stack, 2 best soothing since they dont stack, then the fortifications as you have them, and the rest i fill in with the +accuracy ones since the + accuracy stuff stacks. I don't have numbers to back this up, too lazy to parse it out hahahaha, but I remember reading somewhere that for melee classes the + accuracy was more dps vs the proc augs. For casters that's different though, I know casters the proc augs are preferred. Someone else might have a different take on it though.

I love Magelo for a lot of research answers; though them moving more behind the paywall sucked.

Look at the rankings for your class and see what the top chunk are using. For Knights, most use Fortification and Enhancement, with a smattering of Assault and surprising (to me) Stealth.

Guessing the "Top" are raid oriented so may not match your use-case but can look lower on the list or adjust accordingly.

 

[Granditos]

I kind of order them in priority for my tank priority 1 being best Ventral since they don't stack, 2 best soothing since they dont stack, then the fortifications as you have them, and the rest i fill in with the +accuracy ones since the + accuracy stuff stacks. I don't have numbers to back this up, too lazy to parse it out hahahaha, but I remember reading somewhere that for melee classes the + accuracy was more dps vs the proc augs. For casters that's different though, I know casters the proc augs are preferred. Someone else might have a different take on it though.

Tank is a warrior and over 4k hDex in raids... not sure on accuracy... It would help in group content though when im not using all my trophies.

 

[Eltai86]

So this partially comes down to how many evolvers you are running and total slots available

For tanks:
Best Ventral Defense (No benefit to stacking more then 1)
Best soothing (No benefit to stacking more then 1)
Accuracy augs (effect stacks)


The AC softcap boost line is functionally unparseable difference. Warding, protection, and defensive proc are all not worth using compared to other options.

 

[Eltai86]

Tank is a warrior and over 4k hDex in raids... not sure on accuracy... It would help in group content though when im not using all my trophies.

Warriors crit cap way earlier then 4k hdex in basically all scenarios. Best way to test returns of adding accuracy augs is to parse on a dummy that’s properly tuned (if you have low ac/level on dummy it will skew results to show higher accuracy, if you over tune it will show lower accuracy).

 

[Granditos]

Warriors crit cap way earlier then 4k hdex in basically all scenarios. Best way to test returns of adding accuracy augs is to parse on a dummy that’s properly tuned (if you have low ac/level on dummy it will skew results to show higher accuracy, if you over tune it will show lower accuracy).

Meaning, no need for accuracy aug, right?

 

[Eltai86]

Accuracy from Hdex is not the same as what the accuracy on those augs provide. Parse your hit rate on a test dummy.

Meaning, no need for accuracy aug, right?