Question - Turning mob once in camp

[Baz]

Hi All, been trying to figure this out for a while.

I would like my War (Role=PullerTank) turn the mob 180 to camp after engage. I am hoping this will keep my tank in the furthest position away from camp protecting my melee from adds. Otherwise when my melee heavy group engages they are behind the mob and get picked off when an add joins.

 

[Sic]

Hi All, been trying to figure this out for a while.

I would like my War (Role=PullerTank) turn the mob 180 to camp after engage. I am hoping this will keep my tank in the furthest position away from camp protecting my melee from adds. Otherwise when my melee heavy group engages they are behind the mob and get picked off when an add joins.

you didn't say what automation you're using, or post in an area / provide enough information to answer you (kiss support section, for example)

if you're using something like kiss, you can change your stick to go "through" the mob once with a behind once

 

[Baz]

Sorry about the confusion, using Kissassist. behind once isn't working as expected

Just to confirm I have this correct:

[Melee]
AssistAt=100
MeleeOn=1
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=50
StickHow=behind once
AutoFireOn=0
UseMQ2Melee=1
TargetSwitchingOn=1
PetTauntOverride=0

[Pull]
PullWith=Dream Weaver Bow|Ethereal Arrow
PullMeleeStick=0
MaxRadius=2000
MaxZRange=175
UseWayPointZ=0
PullWait=5
PullRadiusToUse=90
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
PullPause=180|2|Cond3
PullLevel=0|0
PullArcWidth=0
PullOnReturn=1

 

[Sic]

U need to turn off mq2melee if you want kiss to do the stick

Usemq2melee=0

 

[Baz]

I tried setting Usemq2melee=0 but still no luck.

I will post the full ini maybe there is something I am missing(I have tried to keep it simple). Thank you very much for your help troubleshooting this.

[CODE title="kiss ini"][General]
KissAssistVer=12.002
Role=PullerTank
CampRadius=30
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=1
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=20
MedStop=100
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1|90
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=2|35
GroupWatchCheck=FALSE
CorpseRecoveryOn=0
EQBCOn=0
DanNetOn=0
DanNetDelay=20
IRCOn=0
CampfireOn=0
CharInfo=Warrior|115|FREE
DefaultUI=TRUE
DPSMeter=1
ScatterOn=0
LOSBeforeCombat=0
XTSlot=1

[Melee]
AssistAt=100
MeleeOn=1
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=50
StickHow=behind once
AutoFireOn=0
UseMQ2Melee=0
TargetSwitchingOn=1
PetTauntOverride=0

[Pull]
PullWith=Dream Weaver Bow|Ethereal Arrow
PullMeleeStick=0
MaxRadius=2000
MaxZRange=175
UseWayPointZ=0
PullWait=5
PullRadiusToUse=90
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
PullPause=180|2|Cond3
PullLevel=0|0
PullArcWidth=0
PullOnReturn=1

[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
BuffsSize=10
Buffs1=Relax|End|20
Buffs2=Champion's Aura|Aura
Buffs3=Commanding Voice|Me
Buffs4=Paragon Champion|Me
Buffs5=Brace for Impact|Me
Buffs6=Courageous Defense|Me
Buffs7=Huntsman's Ethereal Quiver|Summon|Ethereal Arrow|200
Buffs8=NULL
Buffs9=NULL
Buffs10=NULL
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=10
PowerSource=NULL

[AE]
AEOn=1
AESize=3
AERadius=50
AE1=Area Taunt|2|Mob
AE1=Roar of Challenge|2|Mob
AE2=Wade Into Battle|2|Mob
AE3=Null

[Burn]
BurnSize=5
BurnAllNamed=1
Burn1=Rage of Rallos Zek
Burn1=Warlord's Bravery
Burn1=Resplendent Glory
Burn1=War Cry
Burn1=Wars Sheol's Heroic Blad
BurnText=burn
UseTribute=1
Burn2=NULL
Burn3=NULL
Burn4=NULL
Burn5=NULL


[DPS]
DPSOn=2
DPSSize=25
DPSSkip=1
DPSInterval=1
DPS1=command:/stopdisc|100|Cond5
DPS2=command:/stopdisc|100|Cond4
;Named
DPS3=Ultimate Stand Discipline|100|Cond6
;All day
DPS4=Call of Challenge|20|Cond9
DPS5=Precision Strike|20|Cond9
DPS6=Aggravate|100|Cond7
DPS7=Taunt|100|Mash
DPS8=Gut Punch|100|Mash
DPS9=Knee Strike|100|Mash
DPS10=Knuckle Break|100|Mash
DPS11=Shield Topple|100|Mash
DPS12=Throat Jab|100|Mash
DPS13=Oppressing Shout|100|Mash
DPS14=Phantom Aggressor|99
DPS15=Projection of Fury|99
DPS16=Warlord's Fury|100
DPS17=Imperator's Command|100
;2+ or Named
DPS18=Stormstrike Defense Discipline|100|Cond2
DPS19=Spire of the Warlord|100|Cond2
DPS20=${InvSlot[Chest].Item.Name}|100|Cond2
DPS21=Warrior's Rampart|100|Cond2
DPS22=Blade Guardian|100|Cond2
DPS23=Biting Tongue Discipline|100|Cond2
DPS24=NULL
DPS25=NULL
DebuffAllOn=0

[Aggro]
AggroOn=1
AggroSize=5
Aggro1=Unending Attention|100|<
Aggro2=Blast of Anger|100|<
Aggro3=Kragek's Roar|100|<
Aggro4=Warlord's Grasp|100|<
Aggro5=NULL

[Heals]
HealsOn=1
HealsSize=10
Heals1=Dichotomic Shield|70
Heals2=Warrior's Auspice|65
Heals3=No Time to Bleed|60
Heals4=Finish the Fight|60
Heals5=Resplendent Glory|55
Heals6=Flash of Anger|55
Heals7=Warlord's Resurgence|50
Heals8=Warlord's Tenacity|45
Heals9=Warlord's Bravery|45
Heals10=NULL
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealGroupPetsOn=0
XTarHeal=0
XTarHealList=NULL
HealInterval=0
AutoRezOn=0
RezMeLast=0


[KConditions]
ConOn=1
CondSize=10
Cond1=TRUE
Cond2=${Target.Named} || ${Me.XTarget}> 1
Cond3=${Group.AnyoneMissing} || !${Me.Buff[Hastening of Cekenar].ID} || !${Me.Buff[Righteousness].ID} || !${Me.Buff[Frenzied Growth].ID}
Cond4=${Me.ActiveDisc.ID} && ${Me.ActiveDisc.Name.Equal[Ultimate Stand Discipline]} && ${Me.CombatState.NotEqual[COMBAT]}
Cond5=${Me.ActiveDisc.ID} && ${Target.Named} && ${Me.ActiveDisc.Name.NotEqual[Ultimate Stand Discipline]} && ${Me.CombatAbilityReady[${Spell[Ultimate Stand Discipline].RankName}]} && ${Me.Endurance}>${Spell[Ultimate Stand Discipline].EnduranceCost}
Cond6=!${Me.ActiveDisc.ID} && ${Target.Named} && ${Me.CombatAbilityReady[${Spell[Ultimate Stand Discipline].RankName}]}
Cond7=${Target.PctHPs} > 21
Cond9=${Target.PctHPs} < 21
Cond10=True
Cond8=TRUE



[GMail]
GMailHelp=Events currently support - Dead,Drag,GM,Level,Named,Leftgroup,Tells
GMailOn=0
GMailSize=5
GMail1=NULL
GMail2=NULL
GMail3=NULL
GMail4=NULL
GMail5=NULL
[Cures]
CuresOn=0
CuresSize=5
Cures1=NULL
Cures2=NULL
Cures3=NULL
Cures4=NULL
Cures5=NULL
[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92
[PullAdvanced]
PullLocsOn=0
[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=1
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=500
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0

[KissError]
LastCMD:=/endmacro
ErrorDateTime:=11/22/2022 07:03:54
ErrorMsg:=
DataError:=NULL
SyntaxError:=NULL
RunningTime:=161976415
BuildDate:=20221116
CurrentUI:=Default
[/CODE]

[CODE title="Char ini"][MQ2Rez]
Accept=1
RezPct=90
SafeMode=0
VoiceNotify=0
ReleaseToBind=0
SilentMode=0
Delay=5100
Command Line=
[MQ2AASpend_Settings]
AutoSpend=0
BruteForce=1
BruteForceBonusFirst=0
BankPoints=225
SpendOrder=35214
MercAutoSpend=0
MercBruteForce=0
MercSpendOrder=32451
MercOrderAuto=0
[MQ2AASpend_AAList]
[MQ2AASpend_MercAAList]
[MQ2Melee]
aggro=1
bash=1
callchallenge=1
commanding=20
defense=20
disarm=1
enrage=1
facing=1
fieldarm=20
gutpunch=1
infuriate=1
kick=1
kneestrike=1
melee=1
opportunisticstrike=20
plugin=1
provoke1=58509
provokeend=20
provokemax=1
provokeonce=1
resume=75
stickbreak=1
stickrange=75
taunt=1
version=8.802
[/CODE]

 

[Sic]

are you saying that "behind once" does not make you walk through the mob one time, which should make the mob then turn its back to your group assuming your tank's camp spot is at/in-front of your group?

 

[Baz]

Correct, he pulls the mob to camp, meets the mob a few steps before reaching camp and engages and doesn't try to switch positions. The melee then engage and move around the mob.

Edit: I have that feeling I am missing something dumb here

 

[Baz]

I did notice that with "StickHow=behindonce" he will side step around the mob, like 5 or 6 to the right, then 2 ish to the left repeating until its dead.

I played around with adding a distance "StickHow=behindonce 20" "StickHow=behindonce 40" "StickHow=behindonce 60" but no change.

I am currently testing on mobs with a large hit box, I will move the team to something a little more normal and see

 

[Sic]

Behind once is two words which you had in the things you posted. If you changed it to two words, that is incorrect

 

[Baz]

Yeah, I was using two words to start but but noticed it was one word here /wiki/Command:/stick

Regardless I get the same behavior. I have changed it back to two words "StickHow=behind once" restarted and applied an update for Very Vanilla, and moved to a new location pulling mobs with a smaller hit box but, unfortunately no change

Thanks for your help Sic, I don't expect for you to focus on this issue I will keep farting around with settings and if I get it working I will reply back.

 

[Sic]

Yeah, I was using two words to start but but noticed it was one word here /wiki/Command:/stick

Regardless I get the same behavior. I have changed it back to two words "StickHow=behind once" restarted and applied an update for Very Vanilla, and moved to a new location pulling mobs with a smaller hit box but, unfortunately no change

Thanks for your help Sic, I don't expect for you to focus on this issue I will keep farting around with settings and if I get it working I will reply back.

and just so we're on the same page 100%
you changed to mq2melee=0 and then you changed your stickhow in your kissini, not in your mq2melee settings, right? because that is what we're trying to do.
if that is the case, could there be an issue with how fast your toon is moving? as in bard speed making you get to the mob too quickly?

 

[Baz]

Yes changed to mq2melee=0 & StickHow=behind once

I am running bard speed so let me drop that before I reply: No change after removing bard speed.


As is currently:
[CODE title="Kiss ini"][General]
KissAssistVer=12.002
Role=PullerTank
CampRadius=30
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=1
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=25
MedOn=1
MedStart=20
MedStop=100
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=1|90
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=2|35
GroupWatchCheck=FALSE
CorpseRecoveryOn=0
EQBCOn=0
DanNetOn=0
DanNetDelay=20
IRCOn=0
CampfireOn=0
CharInfo=Warrior|115|FREE
DefaultUI=TRUE
DPSMeter=1
ScatterOn=0
LOSBeforeCombat=0
XTSlot=1

[Melee]
AssistAt=100
MeleeOn=1
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=40
StickHow=behind once
AutoFireOn=0
UseMQ2Melee=0
TargetSwitchingOn=1
PetTauntOverride=0

[Pull]
PullWith=Dream Weaver Bow|Ethereal Arrow
PullMeleeStick=0
MaxRadius=2000
MaxZRange=175
UseWayPointZ=0
PullWait=5
PullRadiusToUse=90
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
PullPause=180|2|Cond3
PullLevel=0|0
PullArcWidth=0
PullOnReturn=1[/CODE]

[CODE title="Char ini"][MQ2Rez]
Accept=1
RezPct=90
SafeMode=0
VoiceNotify=0
ReleaseToBind=0
SilentMode=0
Delay=5100
Command Line=
[MQ2AASpend_Settings]
AutoSpend=0
BruteForce=1
BruteForceBonusFirst=0
BankPoints=225
SpendOrder=35214
MercAutoSpend=0
MercBruteForce=0
MercSpendOrder=32451
MercOrderAuto=0
[MQ2AASpend_AAList]
[MQ2AASpend_MercAAList]
[MQ2Melee]
aggro=1
bash=1
callchallenge=1
commanding=20
defense=20
disarm=1
enrage=1
facing=1
fieldarm=20
gutpunch=1
infuriate=1
kick=1
kneestrike=1
melee=1
opportunisticstrike=20
plugin=1
provoke1=58509
provokeend=20
provokemax=1
provokeonce=1
resume=75
stickbreak=1
stickrange=75
taunt=1
version=8.802
[/CODE]

 

[ctaylor22]

I don't see a way to control positioning using the /stick command, that will work 100% of the time in your situation.

 

[Baz]

Another thought, Could I possibility add something say in the DPS section of kissassist that would allow me to take n steps forward? I could put a once condition on that.

 

[Qnome]

I would like my War (Role=PullerTank) turn the mob 180 to camp after engage. I am hoping this will keep my tank in the furthest position away from camp protecting my melee from adds. Otherwise when my melee heavy group engages they are behind the mob and get picked off when an add joins.

Greetings @Baz , I've tried some StickHow= for you:

I find StickHow=snaproll, which is default, fit your demand most.
Your PullerTank will run through incoming mobs, then turn 180 degree around.
Thus, he will be fighting outside while your melee DPS members will be fighting inside.

 

[Baz]

Sorry I was a way for a few wks, but Thank you @Qnome this is the answer.

The change though was I needed to set UseMQ2Melee=0 as @Sic pointed out.

 

[ctaylor22]

@Baz If you create your own Bind then you could:

Another thought, Could I possibility add something say in the DPS section of kissassist that would allow me to take n steps forward? I could put a once condition on that.

But what you could also do is just change mdist to force MQ2MoveUtils to inch you closer if /stick is on. Take a look at the Event_TooFar routine to see examples of how Kiss tries to move a character closer to their target.