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Question - Strategies on handling non-boxers that wish to join your XP spot

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I was wonder how you handle it if someone randomly asks to join your XPing group.

I six box and move around to out of the way places but I will still get a random person(s) from time to time asking if they can join my group for a while. Now I really don''t mind but I am not sure if I need to slow down my pulling and DPS, to pretend that I am not auto-boxing or not. Normally I will just give up the camp and gate out, telling them I will be back later but was fixing to head out. I know that before I was a boxer, I did get into a few groups that were being boxed and all went well, I wasn't going to say anything. My concern is not everyone out there is just looking to XP, some want to expose and be all loud about it.

What and how would you handle this?

-Taz
 
I have a macro setup that changes the engage % for the 3 dpsers, and i tell the person im boxing(not botting) and so im not reall chatty as i control each toon.
 
The trouble is depending on your group make up, no amount of variance in assist percentage will make it look less bot like.

You need to consider stick and movements

All the abilities being cast, including recasting on failures

The bottom line is, unless someone is completely daft its obvious when people aren't 'just boxing'

Someone joining a group is more likely fine with what's going on if they were loitering around and watched for 5 minutes.


Personally I stick to instances and using as described above... I just about to head out, all yours. I'll occasionally load up another random toon soon after see if the camp got taken or not, most often I'm not at a camp I'm not particularly locked in to as there is always another named/drop/task I could be doing.
 
if you really don't want to move because of whatever reasons, use people's own laziness against them. tell them you are boxing all the toons but toon x, y, z aren't doing anything, just leeching. this usually prevents them from using lesson, which you want. turn off turns x, y, z. pull. kill. slowly. so slowly. i'm talking 2 minutes per kill. equip your shield. /q out on your healer and use your tank discs to live. apologize to the joiner and say that happens a lot. if someone makes it 15 minutes while you just dps with your tank and healer, then i assume they just bought that account and have no idea what current content is like. if they make it 30 minutes, i assume it's a buddy screwing w/ me because nobody makes it 30 minutes.
 
I tend to only group with guildmates and friends. They're aware I use MQ and they're cool with it :)
 
Roll full caster group, don't melee on casters and pull manually with the Tank. This is the only way I could think of to possibly appear to be "Boxing".
 
+1 to Timmy. Hang out at the local PL spots and people tend to not mess with you because they'll assume they would have to pay to even get in (Sathir's Tomb 3rd room, TOFS floor 2, some places in GD, etc). It helps if you bring 18 boxes too, makes you look like "one of those PL guys" rather than something else.
 
Leveling my box group I would drop a toon for awhile and let someone in my group. I personally wasn’t worried about getting kicked or banned. I shared my time with others and let them share my XP. I would swap a char out of group so that I could keep them all relatively close in lvl. The person with me enjoyed it and never complained about me botting. I played the tank and let macro handle the group.

My thoughts were I’m having fun and I’ve been there when I can’t get into a group because everyone is boxing or guild only. I didn’t like it so I took pity on them and let them in the group. If I were to get kicked or banned I would go into another game and spend money elseware I wasn’t afk and I was helping others. If they wanted to be mad about that they can go fly a kite.
 
1st what is this "XP SPOT" you speak of. I run 6 for a reaon. My brothers and sisters run 6 for a reason. Every so often we come together like 5 mini lion bots and blow shit up. (Deadpool reference NAILED IT!!!!)
2nd my mommy told me not to talk to strangers. So 98% of the tells i get are ignored. PEOPLE SUCK!!
3rd D.T.A. <-- Prime philosophy, whenever i've broken steps 1 and 2, usually i get the bozo that wants me to abandon what i'm doing for something they want.
 
I group with other people all the time - but my group is Tank + Casters and doesn't really look any different to when I was just using isboxer tbh.

Anyone with half a brain can spot an MQ2 melee dps though
 
Anyone with half a brain can spot an MQ2 melee dps though
That's a high bar for the average EQ player.

In regards to the OP, are these inquiries from friends or guildmates that you're at least somewhat familiar with or are these complete strangers just asking to join your group? I have never been asked by a complete stranger wanting to join me, so I'm mainly going to address the former option. For me, I'll usually let them in unless I need kill/quest credit for all 6 of my characters. I change nothing about my setup. I could not care less if they suspect that I'm automating or not. Some of my EQ friends know I'm automating as I openly talk about it in discord and other channels. Anytime someone asks "how are you doing this?" I just respond with "I'm really good at doing EQ!" So my advice is to not sweat it. Don't bother trying to make it "look" less bot-like. You're way overthinking it. With movement, because network latency is a thing, most solo played melee characters look "bot like" when viewed from a non-local client. Usually what you see them doing and what they see themselves doing is not synced up. If someone really presses you on it, just say you're lagging really bad *shrug*.

As for randos sending unsolicited tells asking if a spot is open, "sorry bud, all full here"
 
Most of time i only group with guild members or friends to help them to get Achievments or hero missions.
 
Im always friendly with them and just say, "Sorry, we are FG right now but if a spot opens up I will shoot you a tell!" If they need a named for Hunter I will drop one of my guys and put them in the group long enough to get a named as well.
 
I have been a little caviler about it. But I am currently not taking any prime camping spots, just grinding a ton of AA's. I was hoping Doctor Nachoz youtube videos about the use of MQ2 will eventually make it less taboo.
 
I was wonder how you handle it if someone randomly asks to join your XPing group.

I six box and move around to out of the way places but I will still get a random person(s) from time to time asking if they can join my group for a while. Now I really don''t mind but I am not sure if I need to slow down my pulling and DPS, to pretend that I am not auto-boxing or not. Normally I will just give up the camp and gate out, telling them I will be back later but was fixing to head out. I know that before I was a boxer, I did get into a few groups that were being boxed and all went well, I wasn't going to say anything. My concern is not everyone out there is just looking to XP, some want to expose and be all loud about it.

What and how would you handle this?

-Taz


Personally, if I'm autoing, I try to stay in camps that are super out of the way or hidden in some way. Things like little side rooms deep in parts of a zone no one goes to or behind geometry in areas that folks wouldn't normally explore without going out of their way to do so. Generally, I just ignore tells that are sent my way if not manually playing at least one of my toons and then respond later pretending I didn't see they had sent me a tell, apologizing (usually accompanied by some excuse about how my filters were screwed up because of Raid and I forgot to change them back or something, only seeing their tell after looking through my logs and what not).

If I am actually playing though, I will just drop one of my DPS to let them in. I don't mind losing a little bit of exp on a box if it means keeping up appearances and helping out someone who might otherwise be upset with me later down the line if they find me doing something less than desirable. I try to keep my reputation as positive as possible, that way if I get called out for doing something sus it's not only a lot less impactful but less people actually care. On top of this, the more folks you help the less likely they are to call you out as, in my experiences anyways, someone is always less likely to have gripes with someone who has impacted them positively in the past and will more than likely prefer to handle the situation privately rather than slandering you all over general or something.

In the past, I had scripted an event in to KA to try and dynamically recognize if someone was sending me a tell regarding exp or not and then it would pick a random response from an array that I had filled out but you'll start to run in to problems if by chance you send the exact same tell to the same person twice over time even if you fill out the array with say, 100 entries, there's always that chance and shit like that keeps me up at night.

General tips for autoing safely would be:

1. Be respectful and polite in your responses regardless of if you plan to let them in or not.

2. Try to take camps that aren't heavily populated. Make your own camp spots in areas that folks would otherwise not normally approach without going out of their way. While you may or may not take exp hits for this, it has helped me avoid altercations countless times and is probably the biggest tip I could give.

3. If you're playing at least one toon manually, let folks in. It isn't against the rules to automate your toons while you are present at your PC only unattended gameplay breaks the EULA. In my 10 years of experience multiboxing using combat macros/plugins I haven't ever ran in to anyone who has slandered me for automating my toons in the background while I manual one, I'm sure there have been folks with experiences like this and maybe in the past this has happened but using combat macros in 2010 is a lot different from 2020, most folks on boxing/live servers use these tools already and are a little more accepting of them than they were back in the day.

4. Don't camp anything high priority, for example don't auto 24+ hours at frenzy in LGuk during Classic on server launch sort of thing. Try to find camps folks won't be looking for, unless I am looking for a very specific item I usually try to find a camp that has absolutely no nameds at all that way there is very little likelihood that anyone will be coming by looking for something. (This sort of stems off of #2)

5. Be as active as possible, I know for botting being unattended is sort of the point but look back at your screen every couple of hours or so, check for those tells and respond to them. You're less likely to get in to any sticky situations this way.

6. Zone knowledge is huge, study a zone before you go to it, what nameds spawn there? Where do they spawn? What quests use mobs in the zone? What quests start in the zone? Is this zone used for anything specific such as tradeskill mat farming, epic drops, clickies, BiS items, etc. that way you can find ways to avoid running in to issues with overlapping on camps folks want. This is especially important as you get in to later expansions like Underfoot where some zones are just filled to the absolute brim with mobs used for questing and you can really get in the way of some folks flagging/progression if you're not careful. As a personal example of this, in EoK, I auto'd at the Overthere ramp for about 24-32ish hours and had a group of folks absolutely livid with me because I didn't research ahead of time about the chokidai that spawn in the pond for the progression task and my group had continuously pulled and killed them, a little research ahead of time and a change to my INI could have stopped this issue from happening. Do a little research, you'll be able to auto safer for it!



It's also important to note that, for prog servers, as they get older there's less and less active GM support (if there was any at all) and less and less population. It only gets easier to auto as servers move forward. The worst eras are Classic-PoP, folks start to drop off a little during GoD and by SoF onwards you're pretty much all set to do whatever you want whenever you want. Hope this helps! :)
 
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