Is there a compile setup for Agnarr? Used to compile years ago, been outta game, missed years worth of chat, bought a membership assuming it would be up LOL, my bad... but is there a compile...or out $9.95? Missing the old vanilla compiles I used to do, and UI I used to use...but thinking they may no longer be maintained all around HAHA! Basically wanting the easy mode...don;t got the time to get it all setup HAH!
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Question - So...I see Vanilla has been marked not for Agnarr
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Anyone that is skilled enough to bypass the tlp protections in the mq2 source has been kind enough to not release a version for the true box servers so far, and I appreciate that cooperation very much.
I consider those people my friends and regard that cooperation crucial for mq2's future as an accepted third party tool on all the other servers.
I consider those people my friends and regard that cooperation crucial for mq2's future as an accepted third party tool on all the other servers.
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Why would this code not be encrypted where only eqmule can remove it ? And why would anyone admit to removing it to cause more confusion ?
It's a GNU open source program.
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I see.
Eqmule removed official support for being able to build MQ2 without MQ2Ic. So at least there isn't a simple yes/no variable in the code to turn it off any more. And he moved more code into the closed-source plugin to help prevent people from bypassing it.
That's true to an extent. The MQ2 Integrity Checker plugin itself is not open source. Or at least it isn't any more, I don't know if it used to be. Supposedly it contains the newest client detection prevention measures within it, so even if you remove it from your build, I'd be worried about getting yourself banned by running without it.
Tibberu, how do you know MQ2 is being used widely on Agnarr?
I do not play on TLP so wondering how could you tell?
Could be just ShowEQ + Macro keyboards/AutoHotKey etc . You can do a lot of stuff without MQ2.
I mean sure, someone could have compiled MQ2 without integrity checker, but they would have gotten busted sooner than later especially if used outside raids.
I do not play on TLP so wondering how could you tell?
Could be just ShowEQ + Macro keyboards/AutoHotKey etc . You can do a lot of stuff without MQ2.
I mean sure, someone could have compiled MQ2 without integrity checker, but they would have gotten busted sooner than later especially if used outside raids.
Running mq2 without mq2ic on a truebox server you might as well send support a mail asking them to ban you. Look, People like to claim there is a mq2 for those servers, prove it. Send it to me. I don't believe it, I'm by no means the greatest coder ever, but I'm telling you, it's not trivial to build a working mq2 for those servers that isn't detected. In fact it's so difficult that if someone has managed todo it, I would most likely have heard about it already... (and know who did it) and I haven't.
Thank you for the PM. Just to be clear with everyone that ever read this thread in the future: this is the link:
Anyone that care to follow the link, will see that it's just a regular "use VMWare blahblah" post. I post the link here because
1. It doesn't work, VMWare is detected by the eq client since 2012 and
2. The post also claims that once you run eq in VMWare, mq2 also "magically" works.
It is absolutely false. But don't take my word for it, go for it, setup a VMWare machine run eq in it and load up mq2. You will crash as soon as you try to login to a true box server.
Even if this wasn't the case, the virtual machine detection code for VMWare will get you.
I'm not opposed to the fact that there ARE feasible workarounds for the "one client per machine" policy, but VMWare certainly isn't one of them.
But let's stay on topic, even if people have bypassed the one client per computer requirement, it doesn't prove they have also managed to figure out how to use mq2 on those servers.
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Anyone that care to follow the link, will see that it's just a regular "use VMWare blahblah" post. I post the link here because
1. It doesn't work, VMWare is detected by the eq client since 2012 and
2. The post also claims that once you run eq in VMWare, mq2 also "magically" works.
It is absolutely false. But don't take my word for it, go for it, setup a VMWare machine run eq in it and load up mq2. You will crash as soon as you try to login to a true box server.
Even if this wasn't the case, the virtual machine detection code for VMWare will get you.
I'm not opposed to the fact that there ARE feasible workarounds for the "one client per machine" policy, but VMWare certainly isn't one of them.
But let's stay on topic, even if people have bypassed the one client per computer requirement, it doesn't prove they have also managed to figure out how to use mq2 on those servers.
I went through and tested it and MQ does not work as it was stated in the link I sent to eqmule. It causes the EQ instance to crash. So apologies, I was wrong. I didn't test it before because I didn't want it associated with my regular EQ accounts on Agnarr.
That said, running EQ on VMWare this way seems to work fine. Maybe I'll let this throwaway account run for the month and see if they ever ban it.
That said, running EQ on VMWare this way seems to work fine. Maybe I'll let this throwaway account run for the month and see if they ever ban it.
ROFL, I have a theory that there are too many paranoid peeps out there. There isn't a working MQ2 compile and there hopefully won't be. Period!
Folks seem to forget there are many ways to automate the things in EQ that DO NOT REQUIRE MQ2. I can do some crazy things with autohotkey, also monintoring text files with eq log on you can do some very neat stuff as well. Things that would be a red flag that is very hard is "sticking to mobs" or some of the more complex mq2 functionality. These things are very difficult to do, with the average tools out there. So before crying wolf, please use some common sense and open your mind. MQ2 doesn't exist on Phinny or Agnarr. I'm very tied into these circles and I can also tell you that it just simply isn't true.
Folks seem to forget there are many ways to automate the things in EQ that DO NOT REQUIRE MQ2. I can do some crazy things with autohotkey, also monintoring text files with eq log on you can do some very neat stuff as well. Things that would be a red flag that is very hard is "sticking to mobs" or some of the more complex mq2 functionality. These things are very difficult to do, with the average tools out there. So before crying wolf, please use some common sense and open your mind. MQ2 doesn't exist on Phinny or Agnarr. I'm very tied into these circles and I can also tell you that it just simply isn't true.
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This is what boggles my mind, MQ2 is supposed to be GNU open source, however it is now closed source when you consider MQ2Ic. This doesn't make sense? I have been around a long time, and remember the original MQ, and Lax made it even better with MQ2. It was a dedicated Platform for all to use. Now, I don't want to put my tinfoil hat on as I appreciate all the work eqmule has done to keep it alive, but I wonder if there is something more than just I don't want to ruin two servers mentality. Why now the change of heart? Even so, how can you go from a Open source mentality to let me see if I feel this server is appropriate to run MQ2 on. I can understand active packet hacks, but botting? Come on now, there has been botting on EQ for what 18 years? It isn't eqmules job to deter that, its Daybreaks. Its just an entirely confusing situation if you think about it.
Tinfoil hat on = MQ2 Devs got paid $$, I wonder how much
If you understand the iterated prisoner's dilemma, you'll understand the relationship between MQ2, RG and DBG.
[video=youtube;BOvAbjfJ0x0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvAbjfJ0x0[/video]
If we slap, they slap. No conspiracy or bribery required, nor does one exist to my knowledge.
[video=youtube;BOvAbjfJ0x0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOvAbjfJ0x0[/video]
If we slap, they slap. No conspiracy or bribery required, nor does one exist to my knowledge.
Does ShowEQ, or whatever the Windows version is, allow you to click on any mob on the map and get that mob on your in game target like MQ2Map does (obviously when they are not in line of sight and half way across the map)?
I fully understand what in game macros are capable of. We see mages in RI with spam macros telling their pet to attack named and this is doable with in game hot keys.
However, I've been seeing non trackers targeting mobs in hate, while standing at the zone in. Running half way across the zone to the mob and pulling them from buildings, while standing on the back side. There are in game distance limitations to the target feature and it becomes painfully obvious that some kind of 3rd party addition is being used.
It is not widely seen though. At this point, I've only seen two boxers doing it.
I have not seen any automated activity though, which is very easy to observe.
If they are using 3rd party software, they are being very lazy, as running to the mob first then targeting it would at least make it less obvious.
I'm not stating that MQ2 is in use. I realize that I could be missing something. Also my understanding on what ShowEQ can do is also limited.
I fully understand what in game macros are capable of. We see mages in RI with spam macros telling their pet to attack named and this is doable with in game hot keys.
However, I've been seeing non trackers targeting mobs in hate, while standing at the zone in. Running half way across the zone to the mob and pulling them from buildings, while standing on the back side. There are in game distance limitations to the target feature and it becomes painfully obvious that some kind of 3rd party addition is being used.
It is not widely seen though. At this point, I've only seen two boxers doing it.
I have not seen any automated activity though, which is very easy to observe.
If they are using 3rd party software, they are being very lazy, as running to the mob first then targeting it would at least make it less obvious.
I'm not stating that MQ2 is in use. I realize that I could be missing something. Also my understanding on what ShowEQ can do is also limited.
This is what boggles my mind, MQ2 is supposed to be GNU open source, however it is now closed source when you consider MQ2Ic. This doesn't make sense? I have been around a long time, and remember the original MQ, and Lax made it even better with MQ2. It was a dedicated Platform for all to use. Now, I don't want to put my tinfoil hat on as I appreciate all the work eqmule has done to keep it alive, but I wonder if there is something more than just I don't want to ruin two servers mentality. Why now the change of heart? Even so, how can you go from a Open source mentality to let me see if I feel this server is appropriate to run MQ2 on. I can understand active packet hacks, but botting? Come on now, there has been botting on EQ for what 18 years? It isn't eqmules job to deter that, its Daybreaks. Its just an entirely confusing situation if you think about it.
Tinfoil hat on = MQ2 Devs got paid $$, I wonder how much
Well... I kinda kept in touch with SOE and then Daybreak over the years trying my best to keep an open dialog about MQ2 and third party tools in general to lobby for more tolerance as well as some cooperation or even straight out acceptance of it's usage in general, so when truebox was announced, I didn't want to ruin the relationship by going against their wishes of no MQ2 on those servers.
Basically we had a sit down where the topic was discussed and the outcome of that meeting was the "attended use is allowed" policy which is now in place (see the Eula).
Bottomline, since most of MQ2 is open source (The Launcher, MacroQuest2.exe has been closed since Lax closed it) the only reasonable thing to do to solve the problem with people building mq2 for truebox servers was to add the mq2ic plugin.
I actually released a open source mq2main first with a prevention, but it only took a month or so before we saw that people bypassed it on phinigel so I was actually forced to go deeper...
Mq2ic itself initially only had a very simple truebox prevention mechanism as well and it was an optional plugin but then someone cracked that and I had to step it up one more notch and eventually we arrived at the point we are today, where you can't actually use mq2 unless it's loaded.
I don't think anyone wants it, but there is an upside of using it and that's the fact that besides preventing people from using mq2 on the truebox servers it protects you from the client scan. (I admit, although I was under the impression that the scan (we did discuss it) would only be active on the truebox servers when I walked out of that meeting, it turned out that it's done on all servers, BUT I have come to the conclusion that without that scan it would have been much harder for me to convince people to keep it loaded and to integrate it into the core of mq2, so read into that what you want
in retrospect, it was a very smart move of DBG.As for me getting paid by DBG... I wish, I really do. I apply for a job there every chance I get.
For now the only "pay" I received is a good relationship with them and the fact that every person that use mq2 responsibly, while attending, is free to do so on ALL the other servers, without any risk of getting banned.
It IS a good deal, and I really really want it to stay that way.
You are one of the few, people I know of, that have the skills to actually build a working mq2 for those servers if you choose to do so, so I VERY much appreciate your cooperation and thank you, for not having done that.
I saw your eqbot post and all I can say is please try to keep it as non intrusive as you feel you can without losing usability. I'm not going to judge you or try to tell you what to do, but you would have my respect and gratefulness if, you know, kept it at a sensible level.
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This is what boggles my mind, MQ2 is supposed to be GNU open source, however it is now closed source when you consider MQ2Ic. This doesn't make sense? I have been around a long time, and remember the original MQ, and Lax made it even better with MQ2. It was a dedicated Platform for all to use. Now, I don't want to put my tinfoil hat on as I appreciate all the work eqmule has done to keep it alive, but I wonder if there is something more than just I don't want to ruin two servers mentality. Why now the change of heart? Even so, how can you go from a Open source mentality to let me see if I feel this server is appropriate to run MQ2 on. I can understand active packet hacks, but botting? Come on now, there has been botting on EQ for what 18 years? It isn't eqmules job to deter that, its Daybreaks. Its just an entirely confusing situation if you think about it.
Tinfoil hat on = MQ2 Devs got paid $$, I wonder how much
I do agree, I don't like seeing any part of MQ2 become closed-source. It seems to be against the spirit of the program. EverQuest has been live (excluding beta) for what, 18 years? MacroQuest has been a part of it for nearly as long. It seems a little strange that a program, meant to introduce quality of life improvements to a fairly monotonous game, that has never officially been supported by Sony or Daybreak, should have restrictions on server usage now. I would imagine that their biggest concerns are with box armies farming content to sell for plat and kronos? The truebox limitation sort of addresses this. Even if a VM is used to circumvent it, the community can do a fairly good job of policing itself if they see blatant offenders.
Admittedly I play on Agnarr and would like to see MQ2 officially supported for it, but my opinion doesn't come from self-interest. If that were the case I'd be supporting the current system so that nobody else could use it.
ShowEQ does not. I don't know about MySEQ offhand.
Honestly, the thing that really makes me think that there is a working version out there are the box groups running around Hate at Selos speed and not losing a single toon on follow. I just don't see how that's possible with the garbage follow that exists in EQ. Using EQ's follow you can barely run toons through an open zone without losing them. Maybe there's some other way out there that works that behaves a lot like mq2advpath, I don't know.
I mean, I like MQ2, I couldn't play on the normal servers without it. It alone got me back into the normal servers, where I paid for 6 accounts, bought 6x expansions, and etc. I just don't want to see it on TLP.
Anyway, I'm probably 100% wrong, I already was once.
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Eh, there were 2 dudes boxing nearly 30 toons in Hate last night. All in the guild "True Boxaholics". If DBG isn't doing anything about it I don't see what the community can do.
Ah. That is probably what I've been seeing then. It seems like it's pretty widespread (as far as boxing goes) so I guess it's posted somewhere. It's definitely making people think MQ2 though, I've had several Hate groups bring it up.
On another site that inwont list they have it floating about
Have you ever considered that anyone with the ability to bypass your MQ2Ic truebox checks would avoid broadcasting it to avoid the headache of having to disassemble/decompile/debug the .dll again if and when you change it due to people bypassing the current system?
Fact is, there's at least a small percentage of the population using it. You'll never stop it without making all of or most of the MQ2 codebase close sourced.
Of course someone could have, but again, it's unlikely. There would have been a leak... or a site where it was advertised... but yes I would definitely change it again if I had proof of that.
I haven't even once been contacted with details of someone who "looks" to be using mq2, I mean if this is happening, wouldn't it be obvious to just send me a mail or a skype saying: right now on agnarr in lava storm there is a player that seems to be using mq2 at loc so and so, go have a look.
Im just saying sending petitions and stuff to dbg, isn't gonna do much, they have done their part, I'm the one that need to make changes to mq2 if there has been a bypass.
I haven't even once been contacted with details of someone who "looks" to be using mq2, I mean if this is happening, wouldn't it be obvious to just send me a mail or a skype saying: right now on agnarr in lava storm there is a player that seems to be using mq2 at loc so and so, go have a look.
Im just saying sending petitions and stuff to dbg, isn't gonna do much, they have done their part, I'm the one that need to make changes to mq2 if there has been a bypass.
You seem to be under the impression that a majority of people would "tell" on someone using MQ2, even if they were being blatant enough that someone else could tell. Have you considered that most of the playerbase that uses MQ2 or has used it on other servers didn't want you to block use on truebox servers to begin with, so why would they go out of their way to let you know to make it even harder to defeat?We can agree to disagree I guess.But to go along with Abyss's line of tinfoil hat-ish thought, it seems pretty strange that you're so vested in something that you claim to have no financial horse in.. Oh well. Maybe if you keep adding more restrictions we'll finally see a hard fork of the source and MQ3 before EQ finally dies
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You seem to be under the impression that a majority of people would "tell" on someone using MQ2, even if they were being blatant enough to use it. It sounds like you've never considered the fact that most of the playerbase that uses MQ2 or has used it on other servers didn't want you to block use on truebox servers to begin with, so why would they go out of their way to let you know to make it even harder to defeat?We can agree to disagree I guess.But to go along with Abyss's line of tinfoil hat-ish thought, it seems pretty strange that you're so vested in something that you claim to have no financial horse in.. Oh well. Maybe if you keep adding more restrictions we'll finally see a hard fork of the source and MQ3 before EQ finally dies
i think what hes getting at is that there are SO many pre-conceived notions and misconceptions about what people think they are seeing, all he's asking for is to be shown some evidence or something. so far nothing has come up.
for the amount of 'omg there is mq2 all over these servers' that people spew, no one has ever posted any videos that look to be dodgy.
You seem to be under the impression that a majority of people would "tell" on someone using MQ2, even if they were being blatant enough that someone else could tell. Have you considered that most of the playerbase that uses MQ2 or has used it on other servers didn't want you to block use on truebox servers to begin with, so why would they go out of their way to let you know to make it even harder to defeat?We can agree to disagree I guess.But to go along with Abyss's line of tinfoil hat-ish thought, it seems pretty strange that you're so vested in something that you claim to have no financial horse in.. Oh well. Maybe if you keep adding more restrictions we'll finally see a hard fork of the source and MQ3 before EQ finally dies
I make no assumptions about people at all or if they use or don't use mq2, I'm responding to people that claim there is a working mq2 for true box servers while at the same time saying they have seen people use it on those servers.
i am simply saying to those people, fine I'll check it out, tell me when and where it happens so I can gather some intel on it and perhaps even be able to corroborate the claims. (Or refute)
As for someone forking the source, well that used to be my biggest concern but not anymore, if that happens I would just stop updating mq2 in which case their fork would be useless, we are at a point where updating it without my help would be a complete nightmare. (Unless they also rollback to the 2013 version in which case it would still be difficult but at least not nearly impossible.)
Just look at the spawninfo or contents or charinfo structs... compare them to what they looked like 5 years ago... do you really think anyone but me (or someone close to me) could update them nowadays? I don't think that's going to happen.
I AM vested in the future of MQ2 for no other reason than my love for EQ and it.
I have no financial horse in it. If you think that, go for it, fork the source and see how much money there is in it lol.
If I wanted money, I surely would have sold a working MQ2 for those servers don't you think?
I have been offered thousands of $ already from a couple of individuals and even my own brother asked me for a working build, I have turned them all down.
You believe whatever you want about me and my motives, but the truth is, I'm just one of those pesky idealists that can't be bribed or swayed or bought no matter how much money you wave in front of me. It's about honor and keeping my word.
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Sad to say but this is 100% true, I dont think there is anyone left anymore that would be able to fork MQ, the scene isnt what it used to be
. Even if someone were to undertake that I can guarantee it won't be free nor open source. Alot of the old mq2 devs went closed source, and started selling there own things. (Lax Innerspace, Armadeus (Isxeq2). Thats exactly why I praise eqmule for keeping it updated all this time, and you can still download it for free at that. But alas, I don't like the destination its going, it started with Phinigel, now Agnarr without a wink, and I am 100% confident it will be banned from any new servers in the future too. MQ2 is pretty much eqmules at this point, unfortunately he has shown his stance on it, and he looks very dedicated to stopping any truebox action. Circumventing Daybreak is one thing, but theres pretty much no way to do that with someone who controls the source.
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You know, I'm going to pretend I'm just a regular mq2 user now and as such I would see the truebox prevention like this:
/third person mode engaged:
First of all: MQ2 has been actively developed by eqmule and since he took over 2012-13 we have seen hundreds of new additions and features alongside with a almost complete cleanup of all structs and classes in use.
Second: Aside from that, there has been so many awesome new tlo's and tlo members added that it would take several pages to list them all.
Third: There are now several new build options like the option to build MQ2 for both TEST server as well as EMU.
All of which would never been added without him.
Fourth: every new feature EQ adds, he adds support for it, examples: key rings, advloot, etc.
Now, the price for getting a fully functional and continuously updated edition of MQ2 with new features added every month, is that it doesn't work on the true box servers.
The overwhelming majority of MQ2 users as well as old and current MQ2 devs (we discussed this at length in the private dev area of macroquest2.com and in the IRC channel) support this direction.
/first person mode engaged
Ok so, I'm not alone in this decision to keep truebox usage prevented. I'm just the public relations guy. If I didn't have consensus on this, it would have been impossible to keep intact.
Now let's just say there is a eqmule 2.0 out there which will give you all the things I do, AND support a build for truebox, well if that guy exist, he or she can just step right up and take over, since it is open source there is nothing I can do about it.
Until that happens, you are all stuck with me, I will continue to bring you nice stuff, but I won't support a true box build. It is a good deal.
If dbg only release true box servers from now on, this stance will obviously be difficult to maintain, I kinda want one which allow boxing as well, but I guess time will tell.
/third person mode engaged:
First of all: MQ2 has been actively developed by eqmule and since he took over 2012-13 we have seen hundreds of new additions and features alongside with a almost complete cleanup of all structs and classes in use.
Second: Aside from that, there has been so many awesome new tlo's and tlo members added that it would take several pages to list them all.
Third: There are now several new build options like the option to build MQ2 for both TEST server as well as EMU.
All of which would never been added without him.
Fourth: every new feature EQ adds, he adds support for it, examples: key rings, advloot, etc.
Now, the price for getting a fully functional and continuously updated edition of MQ2 with new features added every month, is that it doesn't work on the true box servers.
The overwhelming majority of MQ2 users as well as old and current MQ2 devs (we discussed this at length in the private dev area of macroquest2.com and in the IRC channel) support this direction.
/first person mode engaged
Ok so, I'm not alone in this decision to keep truebox usage prevented. I'm just the public relations guy. If I didn't have consensus on this, it would have been impossible to keep intact.
Now let's just say there is a eqmule 2.0 out there which will give you all the things I do, AND support a build for truebox, well if that guy exist, he or she can just step right up and take over, since it is open source there is nothing I can do about it.
Until that happens, you are all stuck with me, I will continue to bring you nice stuff, but I won't support a true box build. It is a good deal.
If dbg only release true box servers from now on, this stance will obviously be difficult to maintain, I kinda want one which allow boxing as well, but I guess time will tell.
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As the author of KissAssist, the most used, popular and loved macro ever created and the main innovator and visionary of MQ2 for the last 7 years with at least 91% of all new ideas and additions in MacroQuest2 coming from or suggested by me, I 100% agree with eqmule.
Eqmule = crazy swede
Thanks man for keeping up with things and showing the dedication that you do. I took 3 years of computer science and basically only dabble here and there these days and have nowhere near the skill you have.
Having said all that I want to address the other users out there. I know enough to say there is no way in hell someone has "decompiled" mq2ic.dll or written something circumventing it. The amount of work this would take is substaintial and making mq2 undetectiable also on truebox also very difficult to do for someone that is very familiar for the code (Only possible for a mq2 dev imo). For a new coder not familiar with MQ2 it would be far easier to just make a new program than piggy back off MQ2. The automation software and barrier for entry is much lower these days and would be where someone would start if they wanted to make something like MQ2 work on Agnarr / Phinny. That all said, I respect any decision eqmule makes, his dedication to the community is second to none.
So next time you see a cheater on these servers before crying MQ2, think about the other ways folks can do it. Personally if I was addicted to the truebox servers, I'd look at ISXEQ and Innerspace. That would probably be the path of least resistance for something identical to MQ2's functionality.
As the author of AutoMarcos, the most used, popular cleric macro ever created and the main spirit animal of MQ2 for the last 8 years with at least 2% of all new ideas and additions in MacroQuest2 coming from or suggested by me, I 101% agree with eqmule
as a random guy, that hasn't had any influence on anything ever, I agree... 102%
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As a long time user and someone that accidently figured out a way to improve looting.... what was the question again?!?!
I fully agree with eqmule, as long as they leave us alone on the live servers, we should be content to leave them alone on the truebox servers.
although it would be awesome if warping could be revived...
Still I think I share the view and feelings of a great many users. I don't have the knowledge or skills to code. I can barely write macro scripts. I am fully and completely addicted to macroquest and praise all the greater and lesser powers that provide the updates every month. Without MQ2 I simple would not play everquest.
To be very clear... THANK YOU coders and developers for all you do.
I fully agree with eqmule, as long as they leave us alone on the live servers, we should be content to leave them alone on the truebox servers.
although it would be awesome if warping could be revived...
Still I think I share the view and feelings of a great many users. I don't have the knowledge or skills to code. I can barely write macro scripts. I am fully and completely addicted to macroquest and praise all the greater and lesser powers that provide the updates every month. Without MQ2 I simple would not play everquest.
To be very clear... THANK YOU coders and developers for all you do.