Problem - Similar names in group and healing

[forsie]

Hi

i got a problem with my 6 man group iam running 2 wizzards with nearly the same name only 1 letter is other.

the thing is my cleric allways heals the wrong one.. so basicly one wiz is at 50% health and one at 100% my cleric heals the one with 100% over and over

//edit just saw another problem my cleric has also similar name to the two wizards. and my cleric trys to cast his SELF Invulnerability on other team members(Divine Eminence)

here is my cleric ini

[General]
KissAssistVer=8.2.3
Role=Assist
CampRadius=30
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=10
MedOn=0
MedStart=25
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=0
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=0
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=8
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=0
[SpellSet]
LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist
[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
Buffs1=Circle of Divinity|Aura|Divinity Effect
Buffs2=NULL
Buffs3=Hand of Temerity
Buffs4=Armor of the Sacred
Buffs5=Shared Purity
Buffs6=Rallied Shield of Vie
Buffs7=Aura of Loyalty
Buffs8=NULL
Buffs9=NULL
Buffs10=NULL
Buffs11=NULL
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=NULL
Buffs14=NULL
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=Decomposing Golem Brain
Buffs18=Striped Belt of the Wasp Commander
Buffs19=Fanciful Mask of Joyful Slaying
Buffs20=Fantastic Gem of the Garden
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=20
[Melee]
AssistAt=95
MeleeOn=0
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll
AutoFireOn=0
[GoM]
GoMSHelp=Format - Spell|Target, MA Me or Mob, i.e. Rampaging Servant Rk. II|Mob
GoMSpell1=NULL
GoMSpell2=NULL
[AE]
AEOn=0
AERadius=50
AE1=NULL
AE2=NULL
AE3=NULL
AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL
[DPS]
DPSOn=1
DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=0
DPS1=Yaulp X|99|ME!
DPS2=NULL
DPS3=NULL
DPS4=NULL
DPS5=NULL
DPS6=NULL
DPS7=NULL
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL
[Aggro]
AggroOn=0
Aggro1=NULL
Aggro2=NULL
Aggro3=NULL
[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=1
Heals1=Devout Remedy|35|MA
Heals2=Frantic Renewal|70|MA
Heals3=Desperate Renewal|70|MA
Heals4=Solemn Light|70|MA
Heals5=Solemn Light|70|!MA
Heals6=Divine Arbitration|45
Heals7=Bestow Divine Aura|35
Heals8=NULL
Heals9=Devout Remedy|60|!MA
Heals10=Word of Vivacity|70
Heals11=Frantic Renewal|70|!MA
Heals12=Desperate Renewal|70|!MA
Heals13=Divine Eminence|50|Me
Heals14=NULL
Heals15=NULL
XTarHeal=0
AutoRezOn=1
AutoRezWith=Blessing of Resurrection
[Cures]
CuresOn=1
Cures1=Radiant Cure
Cures2=Group Purity of Soul
Cures3=Ward of Purity
[Burn]
BurnText=Decepticons Attack
BurnAllNamed=1
Burn1=Silent Casting
Burn2=NULL
Burn3=Focused Celestial Regeneration
Burn4=Exquisite Benediction
Burn5=Forceful Rejuvenation
Burn6=NULL
Burn7=NULL
Burn8=NULL
Burn9=NULL
Burn10=NULL
Burn11=NULL
Burn12=NULL
Burn13=NULL
Burn14=NULL
Burn15=NULL
[Pull]
PullWith=Melee
MaxRadius=350
MaxZRange=50
PullWait=0
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2
[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0
[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

 

[Maskoi]

What spell or AA is targeting the wrong toon. Is one specifically or all of them?

 

[dreamflux]

Are their names something like Wizarda and Wizardaa? I've noticed this behavior as well, but not on live servers.

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

If you mean "not on live servers" as if you are on TEST server... we will ask you to make a problem log ticket on this.

If you mean "not on live servers" as if you are on Progression server..... your SOL ... we don't support Ragefire/Lockjaw

- - - Updated - - -

Heals4=Solemn Light|70|MA
Heals5=Solemn Light|70|!MA

????

That doesn't make sense.... you want to cast Solemn Light at 70% health on the MA... and you also want to cast Solemn Light at 70% health on anyone else in group....

That basicly means
'Heals4=Solemn Light|70

same deal with Desperate Renewal.

 

[forsie]

yeah the names are like Testwiz and Testwizz ( just example) and cleric name like Testclr

he trys to cast Divine Eminence on Group members as example. that means my cleric can not cast any heals then.

iam playing on the normal Live servers. basicly Testwiz is at 50% health and Testwizz is at 100% he trys to heal Testwizz over and over till hes OOM.

its not allways sometimes he heals the right person

- - - Updated - - -

What spell or AA is targeting the wrong toon. Is one specifically or all of them?

i saw it only on Divine Eminence and Solemn Light


/edit one more thing on the cleric he wont cast Bestow Divine Aura on any group members. is the Bestow Divine Aura|35 wrong ?

 

[dreamflux]

Tree - i wasn't submitting any bugs, just saying I'd seen this behavior, but it was on Ragefire so I didn't think anything of it. Was actually healing an out of group runner character who had a name "Mainsnamerunner", where Mainsname is the name of my main character. It might be something where people need to just know not to name characters the same thing.

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

Tree - i wasn't submitting any bugs, just saying I'd seen this behavior, but it was on Ragefire so I didn't think anything of it. Was actually healing an out of group runner character who had a name "Mainsnamerunner", where Mainsname is the name of my main character. It might be something where people need to just know not to name characters the same thing.

Ah... yeah... ragefire/lockjaw have issues with certain things... thats why we aren't supporting them until they reach a specific expansion.

One major issue right now.. is using the PETASSIST role to heal/buff/monitor a pet who is acting as the MA for group (mage using petattack or pullerpettank roles).

Issue is... your group members pet name is Vantik.. for example... guess what... someone else in the zone has a pet named Vantik as well.. f**ks things up royally!
Had this happen with my cleric using petassist on my mages pet on ragefire.... someone else had same name pet and was 4000 paces away on other side of zone,.., so 55% of the time the assist call to target the pet... was targetting the other guys pet across the zone....

Unique pet names resolve this issue, but I don't think you can purchase that ability to permanantly rename a pet from /market on ragefire/lockjaw. I could be wrong.

 

[forsie]

ok did some more testing basicly every heal spell my cleric trys to cast on one of my wizzards goes wrong :/

and the most terrible thing is my cleric trys to cast the invulnerable (self only) on group members.. then the cleric himself is invulnerable and cannot heal for 30 sec and group wipes

not sure what i can do other then buying 3-4 name changes

//edit and i got some problems with my Cleric when i cast the heal over time(devout elixir). it hold for 58 seconds. but the cleric will cast it even when there is 20++ seconds left on the heal over time. not very mana efficent



// here is the new cleric ini with the problems

[General]
KissAssistVer=8.2.3
Role=Assist
CampRadius=30
CampRadiusExceed=400
ReturnToCamp=0
ChaseAssist=0
ChaseDistance=10
MedOn=0
MedStart=25
MedCombat=0
LootOn=0
RezAcceptOn=0
AcceptInvitesOn=1
GroupWatchOn=0
EQBCOn=0
IRCOn=0
MiscGem=8
HoTTOn=0
CampfireOn=0
[SpellSet]
LoadSpellSet=0
SpellSetName=KissAssist
[Buffs]
BuffsOn=1
Buffs1=Circle of Divinity|Aura|Divinity Effect
Buffs2=Aura of the Pious|Aura|Pious Effect
Buffs3=Hand of Gallantry
Buffs4=Armor of the Sacred
Buffs5=Shared Purity
Buffs6=Rallied Shield of Vie
Buffs7=Aura of Loyalty
Buffs8=NULL
Buffs9=Brown Rope Bridle|Mount
Buffs10=NULL
Buffs11=NULL
Buffs12=NULL
Buffs13=NULL
Buffs14=NULL
Buffs15=NULL
Buffs16=NULL
Buffs17=Decomposing Golem Brain
Buffs18=Striped Belt of the Wasp Commander
Buffs19=Fanciful Mask of Joyful Slaying
Buffs20=Fantastic Gem of the Garden
RebuffOn=1
CheckBuffsTimer=20
[Melee]
AssistAt=95
MeleeOn=0
FaceMobOn=1
MeleeDistance=75
StickHow=snaproll
AutoFireOn=0
[GoM]
GoMSHelp=Format - Spell|Target, MA Me or Mob, i.e. Rampaging Servant Rk. II|Mob
GoMSpell1=NULL
GoMSpell2=NULL
[AE]
AEOn=0
AERadius=50
AE1=NULL
AE2=NULL
AE3=NULL
AE4=NULL
AE5=NULL
[DPS]
DPSOn=1
DPSSkip=20
DPSInterval=0
DPS1=Yaulp X|99|ME!
DPS2=NULL
DPS3=NULL
DPS4=NULL
DPS5=NULL
DPS6=NULL
DPS7=NULL
DPS8=NULL
DPS9=NULL
DPS10=NULL
DPS11=NULL
DPS12=NULL
DPS13=NULL
DPS14=NULL
DPS15=NULL
[Aggro]
AggroOn=0
Aggro1=NULL
Aggro2=NULL
Aggro3=NULL
[Heals]
Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=1
Heals1=Devout Elixir|99|Dual|Devout Elixir
Heals2=Promised Recouperation|97
Heals3=Devout Light|70
Heals4=Word of Recovery|80
Heals5=Frenetic Renewal|50
Heals6=Burst of Life|30
Heals7=Divine Arbitration|45
Heals8=NULL
Heals9=Bestow Divine Aura|25
Heals10=Divine Eminence|50|Me
Heals11=NULL
Heals12=NULL
Heals13=NULL
Heals14=NULL
Heals15=NULL
XTarHeal=0
AutoRezOn=1
AutoRezWith=Blessing of Resurrection
[Cures]
CuresOn=1
Cures1=Radiant Cure
Cures2=Group Purity of Soul
Cures3=Ward of Purity
[Burn]
BurnText=Decepticons Attack
BurnAllNamed=1
Burn1=Silent Casting
Burn2=Heroic Blessedbond Breastplate
Burn3=Fundament: Second Spire of Divinity
Burn4=Focused Celestial Regeneration
Burn5=Exquisite Benediction
Burn6=Forceful Rejuvenation
Burn7=NULL
Burn8=NULL
Burn9=NULL
Burn10=NULL
Burn11=NULL
Burn12=NULL
Burn13=NULL
Burn14=NULL
Burn15=NULL
[Pull]
PullWith=Melee
MaxRadius=350
MaxZRange=50
PullWait=0
PullRoleToggle=0
ChainPull=0
ChainPullHP=90
ChainPullPause=30|2
[AFKTools]
AFKHelp=AFKGMAction=0 Off, 1 Pause Macro, 2 End Macro, 3 Unload MQ2, 4 Quit Game
AFKToolsOn=0
AFKGMAction=1
AFKPCRadius=150
CampOnDeath=0
ClickBacktoCamp=0
[Merc]
Help=To use: Turn off Auto Assist in Manage Mercenary Window
MercOn=0
MercAssistAt=92

is the burn section on the cleric bad? couse when i fight a named my clr cast ALL the burning spells and let sometime my tank die couse hes casting the burning spells and dont heal

 

[GPS_Soldier]

Help=Format Spell|% to heal at i.e. Devout Light Rk. II|50
HealsOn=1
Heals1=Devout Elixir|99|Dual|Devout Elixir
Heals2=Promised Recouperation|97
Heals3=Devout Light|70
Heals4=Word of Recovery|80
Heals5=Frenetic Renewal|50
Heals6=Burst of Life|30
Heals7=Divine Arbitration|45
Heals8=NULL
Heals9=Bestow Divine Aura|25
Heals10=Divine Eminence|50|Me
Heals11=NULL
Heals12=NULL
Heals13=NULL
Heals14=NULL
Heals15=NULL
XTarHeal=0
AutoRezOn=1
AutoRezWith=Blessing of Resurrection

First thing, running this command when you have KISS running:
/kisscheck

See what error crop up.
Second thing:
Heals2=Promised Recouperation|97 Recouperation is misspelled should be Recuperation.

Third thing:
Heals5=Frenetic Renewal|50 / Heals10=Divine Eminence|50|Me
I would space the percentage level out, this might be the reason your DA is firing instead of casting the Renewal. Personally I would save my DA for my extreme low HP, something like 20%

Forth thing:
Heals1=Devout Elixir|99|Dual|Devout Elixir this is a duration heal, but if any of your toons is below 97% health, KA will attempt to use this spell first, if the spell is not on global cooldown.

Something you might try on the duration heal is add the tag |Once I don't use duration heals on my cleric so I'm not certain if this will work. Heals1=Devout Elixir|99|Once

 

[Maskoi]

there is no dual in heals its just

Heals1=Devout Elixir|90

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

Only thing that you can do to prevent the issue of multiple same named pets in zone....(on progression servers) is create/destroy a pet until you get one that has a unique name for the zone you are in... i know i know.. easier said than done.... but thats about it at the moment for progression.

Normal live servers..... pet name change via market purchase....

Take a look at the stock ini's if you need some practical input about how to space out your heals / what percentages to use.. based upon the feedback here and actual posted ini's for the healing class u using via our "stock" ini Compiled INI List in the KA forum.

 

[forsie]

ok thx for all the help !! got my cleric ini now working better but i still have the problem that my cleric just heals the wrong people.

my english is not the best maybe you did not understand was my problem is ! trying to describe it better my group names are like

Testsk
Testclr
Testench
Testmag
Testwiz
Testwizz

( those are not the acual names)

Now when Testwiz is at 50% health my cleric trys to heal Testwizz even when hes at 100% HP. so the problem is my cleric simple target the wrong wizzard couse of similar names ? ( same thing happens with Divine Eminence|50|Me he trys to cast it on TEAMMEMBERS those are under 50% health). i had multiple clerics already with KA none of em had those problems

so my question is can i do anything to fix this ? or do need to buy a namechange in the SHOP ?

//edit Iam NOT playing on any progression server. those are on the Live everquest servers

//edit dont get me wrong iam not a total newb when using KA. used in on multiple groups over the years without problems !!! but never had so similar names

 

[Maskoi]

There is an mq2 function that prevents that from happening. It is in kiss in the healing section. It may be broken. I will check it out this weekend.

 

[forsie]

There is an mq2 function that prevents that from happening. It is in kiss in the healing section. It may be broken. I will check it out this weekend.

thx maskoi for lookign into it !! it realy drives me crazy

atm iam using a simple heal macro but woud like to use KA again on the cleric

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

There is an mq2 function that prevents that from happening. It is in kiss in the healing section. It may be broken. I will check it out this weekend.

Do you know what version had it working last bossman ??? I'll search the repository for that portion and look for it in 8.2.3

If non existenet, (got lost in the wind) or broken by any changes... i'll add/fix it and update it to whatever sub revision you tell me.

Let me know please, I can get to tomorrow.

PM's work best cause i get notified.

 

[william12]

There has been an issue with healing and similar names for awhile. I had 2 wizards one named Wizardd other named Wizard and when it went to heal it would always target the closest one even if that one was at 100%.

 

[eqmule]

The problem with multiple pets having the same name in a zone can be solved by /gmarknpc 1 while having your pet as target... Now everyone who need to assist it can by simply assisting group marked npc 1... It's how I use xtarget to heal my pets

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

The problem with multiple pets having the same name in a zone can be solved by /gmarknpc 1 while having your pet as target... Now everyone who need to assist it can by simply assisting group marked npc 1... It's how I use xtarget to heal my pets

I think his issue was more that his similar named group memebers are screwing things up.... not pets

 

[Zeeeeeee]

Lol i had this same problem, posted it here: http://www.redguides.com/community/...er-puller-not-autofiring-help-pls-this-little

I tried eveything possible, but one thing i noticed in game commands, like follow one char, he used to target the other one with similar name...i guess it has more to do with the game engine itself...so i bought one potion of amnesia and solved it...

 

[forsie]

Lol i had this same problem, posted it here: http://www.redguides.com/community/...er-puller-not-autofiring-help-pls-this-little

I tried eveything possible, but one thing i noticed in game commands, like follow one char, he used to target the other one with similar name...i guess it has more to do with the game engine itself...so i bought one potion of amnesia and solved it...

yeah i also bought now 2 amnesia potions from the Shop. it solved all problems. but i the bug with similar named party members still exists

 

[william12]

Lol i had this same problem, posted it here: http://www.redguides.com/community/...er-puller-not-autofiring-help-pls-this-little

I tried eveything possible, but one thing i noticed in game commands, like follow one char, he used to target the other one with similar name...i guess it has more to do with the game engine itself...so i bought one potion of amnesia and solved it...

What doesn't make sense is I believe kiss uses /target id not target name to heal and even with similar names your IDs will not be. Maybe the heal routine knows you need a heal but when it goes to figure out the id of who needs a heal it targets the wrong person ?

 

[Zeeeeeee]

Yeah the bot detects some1 needs the heal for that % we set...but i guess the bot uses /target routines like we do in game...and that's where the game and the bots are wrong...so it must be games code problems..maybe if we use another method for the bot targeting some1, but i dont know how that would work cause when humans play we can move the mouse and click on a toon, but the bot doesnt make that...

 

[william12]

Yeah the bot detects some1 needs the heal for that % we set...but i guess the bot uses /target routines like we do in game...and that's where the game and the bots are wrong...so it must be games code problems..maybe if we use another method for the bot targeting some1, but i dont know how that would work cause when humans play we can move the mouse and click on a toon, but the bot doesnt make that...

Well you could change the code in the macro to tell you the id of the group member that needs a heal use it to target the right toon. It does not use target name in the macro everything is target id but its getting the wrong id somewhere in the code.

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

When targeting similar named toons, I do see that partial name targets fail often due to selecting first toon to match partial name. Target i'd change in heal section would be far better. Have to look at this more later.

I may ask people having this issue to test a code revision once I look at it and alter to use group member ID.

If revision works, it will mean a ka patch release.

 

[Maskoi]

Try this
Find the following line # 2776 ish

 /declare SHealThem       int     local   ${Spawn[${SHealName} ${SHealType}].ID}

and replace it with

 /declare SHealThem       int     local   ${Spawn[=${SHealName} ${SHealType}].ID}

see if that fixes it.

 

[Zeeeeeee]

I cant test right now cause i changed the names but i will create a toon with similar name and test later....

thx

 

[TreeHuginDruid]

I updated this with a long drawn out explaination on how i tested this pre and post patch fix... but somehow it poofed.

Long story short... made newbies across 4 accounts with naming convention to reproduce the issue.. ( Uglylizardone, Uglylizardtwo.. etc etc etc)

2 hour test.. healer messed up targeting correct member several times...
2 hour test post fix... not one incident.

Fix to force "specific" whole variable declaration was the key.. pesky little = sign.. lol

KA updated with fix.. 6-21-2015.. patch notes and announcement updated accordingly.

 

[Zeeeeeee]

Nice one hugindruid!!! Now i can make my similar named toons again lol