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Question - RageFire TLP and MQ2/KISSASSIST - Need some insight from some pros!

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Okay, so I came back all together for the new RageFire TLP, I really have no desire what so ever to play on the live servers.

So I got all excited, signed up for RedGuides my first time, loaded up a couple accounts and started getting to work learning this wonderful macro program from the ground up. I learned the basics of Kissassist and a few macro programs, got myself to a solid intermediate understanding of the program, started to write a guide about Day 1 new users.

Then... I found out K.A. won't be working on the TLP and you won't be supporting it. Makosi has stated DIRECTLY that it will not work on the TLP but has said some bits may, but he will not be supporting the TLPs to stay on Daybreak's good side. Admirable, but very saddening to me and I'm sure many others.

So what can we expect to work? I assume basic melee and bag work will, but I don't know enough about all this to know what to expect.

So what CAN we expect? What macro should still work? What won't? How do I prepare or should I just abandon?

I want to get a thread going about what features will be functional and what will not. Will a basic heal bot still function? Heal at this %, slow at this %? Etc?

I know this speculation, but how do the pros feel about what's going to work?
 
While we are not officially supporting it. We don't want you to get banned.

I am sure people will be posting hacks to get kiss running some what on the progression server.

As far as I am concerned Ragefire does not exist. Call it selective denial.
 
Thanks for the great program though. I'm really impressed with how well thought out and thorough it is. KissAssist actually did make EQ fun again... until I found out it wasn't gunna work on the TLP.

What are you certain will fail miserably? I'm planning on doing a sham/war or monk box, so as long the auto melee and heals/spells on HP% are working, I can manage. If melee, cast by % AND pulls work, I'll be thrilled. I'm not expecting things like group mezzing to work and a lot of the other more complex stuff, but if they will pull, melee, assist and heal, I'm good to go.

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I wish I could get into live, but it's just overwhelming now. To many obscure features with a huge XP and learning curve. I just don't want to struggle through it to raid mobs I don't really care about.
 
KissAssist was initilly and continues to be primarily for live production server use. We do accomodate and make unilateral changes to the code for major test server changes that we know will go live eventually.. so in sokme respect we do support test server in KA if only to prepare for the eventual LIVE migration of the test code.

As far as progression servers... they use a different ruleset and rulebase, and many aspects will not work properly based upon the expansion the progression is on at the moment.. and what functions/abilities are available up to and including the current expansion.

Example... target validation and aditional mobs in camp procedures are based off of the extended target window... therefore it wont work in a progression server that is on an expansion before xtended target window is available.
 
so am I to gather from that that the core features of KissAssist will work, but as for as hands-off botting it probably won't? I never intend to full AFK XP on the TLP, and mobs in camp is irrelevant, I'd just like to know I can at least trust the shaman to heal the group and slow the mobs while I physically play the warrior, or vise versa with a simple /mac kissassist tank set up, a real live puller for the group, and manually play the shaman. If I get that going, I'll be okay.

Assuming none of this works, can someone point me to one of the programs that lets me manually play my shaman from the melee's window? I.E - Press button for casting, sitting, slowing, healing, etc. as needed, no window-swapping

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And again, as a newb here, I paid a 3 months membership BEFORE I found that kissassist will have issues on TLP and I STILL don't feel like I wasted a single penny of it. The community support and effort you guys are showing is wonderful and you've earned every penny and then some. Great work here, if I had discovered this back in 2008 I may of never quit EQ.

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I fear that the simple "tank" macro for the warrior, no spells or fancy shit, just grab agro and start tanking when the puller brings in a mob - I fear this WILL require the xtarget feature and may no work, unless it works off a mob being agro on a group member. Confirm/deny anyone?
 
That would be the guy who made Kiss saying that. Makosi. About 3 comments up and in about 2 dozen threads throughout the forum.

I'm reading reports of it working on Beta though, but I also read things saying there is no Beta compile for MQ2. So I dunno WTF to think, guess I'm gon' learn Wednesday.
 
TreeHuginDruid said:
KissAssist was initilly and continues to be primarily for live production server use. We do accomodate and make unilateral changes to the code for major test server changes that we know will go live eventually.. so in sokme respect we do support test server in KA if only to prepare for the eventual LIVE migration of the test code.

As far as progression servers... they use a different ruleset and rulebase, and many aspects will not work properly based upon the expansion the progression is on at the moment.. and what functions/abilities are available up to and including the current expansion.

Example... target validation and aditional mobs in camp procedures are based off of the extended target window... therefore it wont work in a progression server that is on an expansion before xtended target window is available.
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You dont need the Ext Window UI the data is still being sent to you. ${Me.XTarget} still works you can make your own xtarget window if you really wanted.

Rich (BB code): 
XT1=3,5,218,0,250,0,XT1   - ${Me.XTarget[1].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[1].PctHPs}
XT2=3,5,230,0,250,0,XT2   - ${Me.XTarget[2].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[2].PctHPs}
XT3=3,5,242,0,250,0,XT3   - ${Me.XTarget[3].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[3].PctHPs}
XT4=3,5,254,0,250,0,XT4   - ${Me.XTarget[4].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[4].PctHPs}
XT5=3,5,266,0,250,0,XT5   - ${Me.XTarget[5].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[5].PctHPs}
XT6=3,5,278,0,250,0,XT6   - ${Me.XTarget[6].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[6].PctHPs}
XT7=3,5,290,0,250,0,XT7   - ${Me.XTarget[7].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[7].PctHPs}
XT8=3,5,302,0,250,0,XT8   - ${Me.XTarget[8].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[8].PctHPs}
XT9=3,5,314,0,250,0,XT9   - ${Me.XTarget[9].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[9].PctHPs}
XT10=3,5,326,0,250,0,XT10 - ${Me.XTarget[10].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[10].PctHPs}
XT11=3,5,338,0,250,0,XT11 - ${Me.XTarget[11].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[11].PctHPs}
XT12=3,5,350,0,250,0,XT12 - ${Me.XTarget[12].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[12].PctHPs}
XT13=3,5,362,0,250,0,XT13 - ${Me.XTarget[13].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[13].PctHPs}

This puts all 13 xtargets on your hud.


Kiss will work on ragefire. I ran /mac kissassist petpullertank on a mage and it worked fine.
 
You've earned a "thanks" and a heterosexual handjob, sir.

Where'd you find a beta compile??? I'd like to test some things out before it goes live and time is tickin.
 
Okay, I can only think of one last question.

New patches mean new compiles. New servers mean new patches. I have't been a member of redguides long enough for there to be a patch, but I understand there's a delay between the patches and a working compile.

Point being, I plan on taking a day off work to get a head start. How long (normally) is the delay between patches and working compiles so I don't jump the gun?
 
In most cases 90% of the time the compile is up the same day of the patch by 8 pm EST.

Very large or complicated patches and real life is usually the only thing that delays this.
 
Thanks guys.

One last time - LOVING this community. I was hesitant at initial sign up, but all my doubts have been removed. Being what it is, MQ2 is kind of "forever beta," but you guys really support what you're putting out.

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Now I want RedCents like I want XP! =P
 
RedGuides and Kiss is just part of my plan for Total World Domination of Macroquest2 but I am glad you enjoying it.
 
I sincerely hope you've found a comfortable living for all this hard work, man. I couldn't imagine doing what you do with a work schedule on top of it.
 
Maskoi said:
While we are not officially supporting it. We don't want you to get banned.

I am sure people will be posting hacks to get kiss running some what on the progression server.

As far as I am concerned Ragefire does not exist. Call it selective denial.
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If you'd like, i can hard disable the version of mq2bot i post here on ragefire or any other server or by class or name or guild. I'm a nice guy like that.
 
I'll test KA once the servers come back up (again). Extended target windows work as per my basic UI, so that data is all there and readable / watchable already without using MQ2 or other 3rd party tools. While i have not used maps, I saw other players on it, and I did notice mq2melee causing me to autostick to targets that would flee.
 
RF won't be up until at least tomorrow morning. I'll obviously be pushing back my testing until then, and will let you know if I get KA to run correctly or not, despite the level 1 spells I'll have to start with; it's something!
 
That may be a good idea Pete. Since the server is new, DB is gonna be watching it like a hawk watches a mouse before snatching it up and tearing it's guts out. I don't think botting on the new server would be a good idea.
 
This is a lie. Ragefire crashed because people were using Kiss. This is also a lie.
 
All I can say is please cheat responsibly people. The last thing we need is a big ban wave to come to live because people are pulling a Bro Isle on progression and ruining peoples "nostalgia". In a perfect world I'd just break mq2 for Ragefire. After WoW setting a precedent, and DBG following with an H1Z1 ban wave, Ragefire is a really bad place to bot for the whole communities safety. /soap box off
 
I don't want to bot, I want to assist people in groups, while watching Netflix or such.
 
There's no extended target window, but my keystroke assignments for the targets still exist, I've been using them all night to cycle through mobs we have incoming, and KA works as well to assist the tank I have set. I've been at the computer but having it help me out a bit.
 
I subbed also just for Ragefire. I just want to use it to make boxing easier, i will still be playing one toon.

Will this work to automate say druid and mage if i am playing another toon by hand?

Thanks
 
BlankStare said:
There's no extended target window, but my keystroke assignments for the targets still exist, I've been using them all night to cycle through mobs we have incoming, and KA works as well to assist the tank I have set. I've been at the computer but having it help me out a bit.
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You can setup the same thing the UI provides except targeting them by click. I.E You can do ${Me.XTarget[1].PctAggro} if its 100 you have aggro on that mob.
 
How can they detect if you are using MQ2? Is it only from your toon behavior or can they detect 3rd party software? The reason i ask i just got banned from Ragefire for cheating and i was not boxing just 1 toon and i was only using stick to stick to runaways thats it...feel really sad and hope they will revert the ban....
 
Currently we do not know how they are determining why or who to ban.

They are going after afkers though so if you were logged in for like 24 hours that might have triggered it.

Were You banned or suspended?
 
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Suspended.

And I was sitting behind the PC just controlling 1 toon, i was not AFK and did not get a tell from a GM either....
 
Do you have a toon on this account on another server that might be the cause of the suspension? Daybreak did it across all severs.
 
william12 said:
You dont need the Ext Window UI the data is still being sent to you. ${Me.XTarget} still works you can make your own xtarget window if you really wanted.

Rich (BB code): 
XT1=3,5,218,0,250,0,XT1   - ${Me.XTarget[1].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[1].PctHPs}
XT2=3,5,230,0,250,0,XT2   - ${Me.XTarget[2].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[2].PctHPs}
XT3=3,5,242,0,250,0,XT3   - ${Me.XTarget[3].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[3].PctHPs}
XT4=3,5,254,0,250,0,XT4   - ${Me.XTarget[4].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[4].PctHPs}
XT5=3,5,266,0,250,0,XT5   - ${Me.XTarget[5].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[5].PctHPs}
XT6=3,5,278,0,250,0,XT6   - ${Me.XTarget[6].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[6].PctHPs}
XT7=3,5,290,0,250,0,XT7   - ${Me.XTarget[7].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[7].PctHPs}
XT8=3,5,302,0,250,0,XT8   - ${Me.XTarget[8].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[8].PctHPs}
XT9=3,5,314,0,250,0,XT9   - ${Me.XTarget[9].Name}  - ${Me.XTarget[9].PctHPs}
XT10=3,5,326,0,250,0,XT10 - ${Me.XTarget[10].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[10].PctHPs}
XT11=3,5,338,0,250,0,XT11 - ${Me.XTarget[11].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[11].PctHPs}
XT12=3,5,350,0,250,0,XT12 - ${Me.XTarget[12].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[12].PctHPs}
XT13=3,5,362,0,250,0,XT13 - ${Me.XTarget[13].Name} - ${Me.XTarget[13].PctHPs}

This puts all 13 xtargets on your hud.


Kiss will work on ragefire. I ran /mac kissassist petpullertank on a mage and it worked fine.
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Where in the mq folder would you put this?
 
I was seeing people blatantly using MQ2. It is very obvious when a mob starts running away in how it looks when they follow the mob. I almost said something because i mean it was right in the middle of commonlands for all to see but i figured not gonna chance a ban or suspension to save other idiots from a ban or suspension.

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I do agree though, dont use MQ2 or kissassist on this new server yet. It is drawing a lot of attention. I dont think DayBreak cares about MQers until they upset the player base. If you do use it, dont afk and dont use the melee following/sticking on the mob option.
 
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