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Now that EQBC is on shaky ground and likely to be removed due to overuse (18+ toons!), what are some plugins you'd like to see whitelisted on Truebox?
 
Not a plugin as such - but fixing the /target I think is a must..

You currently can't target things out of your LOS, which is fine for NPCs. However for PCs this is a huge problem, I was just at a Naggy raid where we was hiding behind a wall from AEs and I could not /target the tank because he was behind the wall from me. There needs to either be a check if the target is a PC if so allow the /target if in say 300-400 range or something, whatever the EQ default is. Or just revert back to the /target on default EQ. Otherwise it's almost unusable in a raid =\

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Also on another note about target I think the message needs changing, because if it's trying to prevent people from using /target to tell if mobs are up if you did /target Lord Nagafen it will say "Lord Nagafen is an invalid target because its not in your LOS", but if hes not up it would just say no matches for lord nagafen.
 
honestly, I don't think anything should be on that server , We asked and asked and asked for people not to abuse the service's we offer and yet none listen , I personally thing it should be removed all together, Moto on football where I am from , You play nice you get nice $$ in return , you play unfair and against the rules you get cut , personally I say That should be on pause to prove a point that we givith and can taketh away just as fast if you don't wanna listen. just my view personally , id hate for some twat to fuck us all over especially knowing Daybreak is giving us a quote on quote break on live servers to keep phil server a ( true box ) server #Rantoffnow
 
I have to agree with wannabehacker in that even with prior warnings this was abused. Any abuse like this does the whole community a disservice. I can understand wanting to have the tools and the boxes to play with but Daybreak has made a few servers which are intended to be "truebox" so let them, this still leaves us plenty of options. What's the point in drawing attention to our actions so a few people can abuse the privilege.
 
You guys have to realize that with eqbc gone basically the only feature left is click on targets name and it opens a trade if you have something on your cursor, are u guys really serious about things like that being too much? I want a serious discussion not just nay to everything, yes we overreached with eqbc, I'll eat that. But if we start from 0 again, think JUST utility, features we want in eq but that aren't game breaking even in the slightest sense:

Example: audio alerts using Gina ? Should that be disabled? What if TRUEBOX does only that?

Let's imagine we don't even call it mq2 TRUEBOX version lets say we call it TINA instead or equtility 1.0 if that makes it easier to swallow...
Discuss.
 
If MQ2 Truebox did the same thing as Gina, here's what you'd see on the EQ forums:

Someone using [censored] from that terrible uber hacker site [censored] guides stole my Quillmane thanks to audio alerts. They are destroying the game. Also they warped and ghostkilled Quillmane. Just FYI, ghostkill and warping are easy to do with MQ2Spawnmaster.
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well you're removing eqbc but didnt say removing mq2melee which is really useful and would still attract plenty of people to the true box version imo. mq2cast too with -kill and such. mq2hud is nice too for xp, named in zones, raid leader, group leader etc. autologin would be nice and simple
 
I can think of autoaccept - definitely makes things easier without doing any harm. Also, pretty hard to abuse autoforage without going way out of your way ... and again it makes a tedious task easier. Other tradeskill macros really are unnecessary as most of that has been automated. I guess my biggest concern is to loose any good will we have with Daybreak because of pushing it on the truebox servers.
 
Going straight down the Plugin Listing here on RedGuides.

Things that should be authorized:

--MQ2AASpend - All this does is makes AA spending easier, which doesn't hurt anyone.
--MQ2AdvPath - More advanced follow features and the ability to run across stupidly large zones doesn't hurt anyone.
--MQ2AutoAccept - Automates clicking accept on trades/guild/group/expedition invites. Doesn't hurt anyone.
--MQ2Autoforage - Foraging does not hurt anyone.
--MQ2AutoLogin - Lets you login by profiles. No harm done.
--MQ2Autosize - Does this plugin even work anymore? If so its a client side change, no harm done.
--MQ2Bandolier - Lets you create a bandolier type profile to quickly swap weapons, no harm done.
--MQ2Bufftool - Lets you block specific buffs. No harm done.
--MQ2Bzrsrch - Quick search out the Bazaar. No harm done.
--MQ2Cast - I could go either way with this one. It does open the door for automation to exist through the use of clever key repeaters, but at the same time it does make things easier to handle. (undecided)
--MQ2Charnotes - Don't know anyone who uses this, but doesn't do any harm.
--MQ2Chat - Chat window for all MQ related stuff. Doesn't do any harm.
--MQ2ChatWnd - Part of MQ2 Source Code anyway.
--MQ2Combat - I could go either way with this one. It does open the door for automation to exist through the use of clever key repeaters, but at the same time it does make things easier to handle. (undecided)
--MQ2Cursor - No clue why this is even in the plugins directory anymore. AdvLoot window pretty much made this obsolete except for a few specific situations. No Harm done.
--MQ2CustomBinds - No harm done.
--MQ2CustomPopUp - No Harm done.
--MQ2Customsound - No Harm done.
--MQ2Debuffs - Gives details of debuffs that are on you. Doesn't seem harmful.
--MQ2DPSAdv - An in game parser. No harm done.
--MQ2EQBugFix - Plugin doesnt do anything but is included in base source.
--MQ2EQIM - No longer used but part of base source.
--MQ2Exchange - Moves items around, no harm done
--MQ2Feedme - Consumes food, no harm done
--MQ2FPS - Manages FPS, no harm done
--MQ2GMCheck - Scans for GMs in zone, no harm done
--MQ2HUD - Displays some data, no harm done
--MQ2ItemDisplay - More detailed item info, no harm done
--MQ2LinkDB - Link text? no harm done
--MQ2Log - MQ logs, no harm done
--MQ2Main - Main MQ plugin, required
--MQ2Melee - I could go either way with this one. It does open the door for automation to exist through the use of clever key repeaters, but at the same time it does make things easier to handle. (undecided)
--MQ2Missing - No harm done
--MQ2Moveutils - If you allow mq2advpath then might as well allow this. Only concern is /stick but people who are dumb with it will get busted with it.
--MQ2NoNagWindows - No need but also no harm done
--MQ2Notepad - no harm done
--MQ2PlatTracker - no harm done
--MQ2PvPAlert - no harm done
--MQ2RaidUtils - no harm done
--MQ2Rez - Lets you accept rezes, no harm done
--MQ2Search - No harm done
--MQ2Spellsearch - no harm done
--MQ2Size - Doesnt work, but no harm done
--MQ2Tooltip - No harm done
--MQ2TributeManager - no harm done
--MQ2Twist - I could go either way with this one. It does open the door for automation to exist through the use of clever key repeaters, but at the same time it does make things easier to handle. (undecided)
--MQ2Vendors - no harm done
--MQ2Viewport - no harm done
--MQ2XPTracker - no harm done



Things that should not be authorized:
--MQ2AFNuke - This automates caster capabilities.
--MQ2AutoCamp - Automates the camping process. With enough skill this could be used to AFK handle situations.
--MQ2Bardswap - Uses TLO/If parses to swap out bard instruments. If parses do not work so no point in authorizing this.
--MQ2Bucles - Expands uses of plugins and macros. Neither of which work in truebox.
--MQ2Casttimer - Lets you see active timers on buffs/debuffs. This plugin doesnt work any
--MQ2EQBC - We have already seen the damage that this has caused with 20+ people getting accounts banned.
--MQ2Events - Too much wiggle room for automation to happen with this. Lets you specify events and actions to those events. Not sure if it works without an If parser but no sense in having it.
--MQ2Heals - New! Recently added by jimbob.
--MQ2IRC - Opens the door for clever automation through IRC injects
--MQ2Labels - Has some automation capabilities for those who know what they are doing with key repeaters
--MQ2Map - Shows the Map. NO
--MQ2Nav - Very powerful movement tool. Advpath and moveutils is more than enough
--MQ2Navigation - Very powerful movement tool. Advpath and moveutils is more than enough
--MQ2Netbots - Automation
--MQ2Netheal - Automation
--MQ2Paranoid - Lets you watch specific locations for players/npcs
--MQ2Pop - gives info on spawn as they pop
--MQ2Posse - Opens door for automation
--MQ2Randomstuff - Not quite sure what this is but it sounded like it allowed additional information into the client. Could open automation doors
--MQ2Reward - Automation doors wide open
--MQ2Relaytells - Opens them automation doors again
--MQ2Slave - Automation
--MQ2Spawnmaster - gives info on spawn as they pop
--MQ2Spawns - gives info on spawn as they pop
--MQ2Spellhotkeys - Opens door for automation with clever individual
--MQ2Targets - gives info on spawn as they pop
--MQ2Telnet - Similar to IRC/EQBC
--MQ2Template - Not needed cause custom plugins are useless
--MQ2Tracking - Gives spawn details.


As for the /target stuff I would suggest just make it limited to a smaller radius and PC only. If they are trying to target a NPC then make LoS required.
 
Mind I don't / wont play on Phinny, but if i had to go back to my "old school" style boxing these types of things would be nice.

1) AutoForage, as that is a pain for ANYONE.
2) AutoInventory so foraged/summoned crap doesn't build on your cursor.
3) AutoAccept trades...just for convenience.
4) A twist/melody (for bards) that would restart/continue even thru a miscast/disruption/fizzle.
5) Simple Melee...just to help keep tank (etc) in melee range, spam abilities (like kick, taunt, bash, etc.), while your over maneuvering, button pressing, panic healing, mezzing, etc. on the other keyboards.
6) Relay Tells set to only relay to group/raid members, and maybe jusy to say /gsay and/or /rsay "Hey I got a tell!" ... or even a beep on tells...(when you controlling that tank and healer(s) a tell to the wiz/mage/necro could get missed).
7) Posse...I hate people who stand there and watch you but wont sat sqwat, or say it in /say and excpect you catch it in all the battle/caster spam.
8) Splash spell utilization...I'm not sure when splash spells get introduced but it would be nice when they are.
9) A way to connect hot keys in sequence (I think this should be added to EQ proper anyway) so hot key "1" can start key "2" (but THIS could be construed as automation).
example:
Rich (BB code): 
key #1
/pause 5, /assist tank
/gsay assisting tank on %t, KILL...KILL...KILL!!!
/pause 5, /pet attack
/pause 40, /cast 1
/keypress 2 (or anyway to start a 2nd maped hot key)

key #2
/pause 40, /cast 2
/pause 40, /cast 3
/pause 40, /cast 1
/pause 40, /cast 4
/gsay Is it dead yet??
Or a way to link 2 differently mapped hotkeys like #1 and #2 where #1 is set as a item hot key, and when its done casting said item it starts #2.

Well thats my 2:rc .
 
Honestly I think if were going to have any of the plugins available on TrueBox then we should just have the full blown suite of plugins like any other server.

You are always going to have the idiots that will get themselves banned, the rest of the MQ2 community shouldn't have to suffer for their lack of wisdom. There is no difference between using MQ2 on Phinny today, than there was using MQ2 6-7 years ago. We had to be smart, they actually banned you for being stupid. We've had it easy the last couple years and people have forgot because SoE/DBC stopped caring until recently. People need to be reminded that while these tools are available, they need to be respected or else...

Lets be honest, I know this isn't the reds tagline but....CHEAT SMARTER people.

EQBC is a necessity for boxing multiple toons well, without hating the game nowadays. Don't let a few idiots be the death of progress toward us getting a full blown MQ2 client on TrueBox Servers.

And to be honest all removing the map does is force people to use MYSEQ on a second monitor, which some of us would probably do anyway. Losing the ingame map is one of the biggest reason for sub losses I would imagine. A fair number of casual MQ2 users only used it for that, and if its available in another tool, why not just bring it back?
 
eqmule said:
You guys have to realize that with eqbc gone basically the only feature left is click on targets name and it opens a trade if you have something on your cursor, are u guys really serious about things like that being too much? I want a serious discussion not just nay to everything, yes we overreached with eqbc, I'll eat that. But if we start from 0 again, think JUST utility, features we want in eq but that aren't game breaking even in the slightest sense:

Example: audio alerts using Gina ? Should that be disabled? What if TRUEBOX does only that?

Let's imagine we don't even call it mq2 TRUEBOX version lets say we call it TINA instead or equtility 1.0 if that makes it easier to swallow...
Discuss.
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No offence sir , but i stick to my guns , you allowed so much just by offering anything and devoted your time to do so , then some random i dont give 2 fucks person / people wants to abuse it.

if anything is offered there should be mq2map mq2aaspend simple and solid plugins but i do believe that mq2 compile needs ifs own thread and its own $$$ since you had made an agreement with daybreak and they almost ignore mq2 users on live now personally the abuse should lead to a seperate forum and price for that server

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Honestly I think if were going to have any of the plugins available on TrueBox then we should just have the full blown suite of plugins like any other server.

You are always going to have the idiots that will get themselves banned, the rest of the MQ2 community shouldn't have to suffer for their lack of wisdom. There is no difference between using MQ2 on Phinny today, than there was using MQ2 6-7 years ago. We had to be smart, they actually banned you for being stupid. We've had it easy the last couple years and people have forgot because SoE/DBC stopped caring until recently. People need to be reminded that while these tools are available, they need to be respected or else...

Lets be honest, I know this isn't the reds tagline but....CHEAT SMARTER people.

EQBC is a necessity for boxing multiple toons well, without hating the game nowadays. Don't let a few idiots be the death of progress toward us getting a full blown MQ2 client on TrueBox Servers.

And to be honest all removing the map does is force people to use MYSEQ on a second monitor, which some of us would probably do anyway. Losing the ingame map is one of the biggest reason for sub losses I would imagine. A fair number of casual MQ2 users only used it for that, and if its available in another tool, why not just bring it back?
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to think half the people would cheat smart, we as mq2 users as a hole would be able to accomplish many things but that will never happen there will always be idiots to fuck people over , eqmule first said nothing will be offered per his agreement with daybreak then offered something now idiots fucked it over , why give freedom when it will just get us back in same boat were in talking about what should be and shouldnt be.

i say filter it to no movement plugins like stick moveutils melee ect.. make it simple mq2map aaspend forage ect...
 
I agree with wannabehacker for the most part. I'm ok with advpath (mostly for a decent follow), and the pure remove tediousness from the game plugins. Forage, Melee (without stick), aaspend, Don't see why not to include map, anyone that can use truebox mq will be able to use myseq, so why make them jump through the extra hoop.
 
Personally if i were a MQ Dev, i would enable all the bells and whistles on MQ2 Truebox but include code that sends a tell to the nearest GM if they use it telling said GM, no more like spamming the GM for extra incentive, that i am an idiot and violated the truebox code of conduct, pls ban me :p

Look, i tried Phinny and without Kiss and all the advanced features of MQ2 i burned out trying to box 3-4 characters so i went back to another server, it would be really cool if it worked but it would never work because of these idiots who want to attract attention or overbox it, noone would bat an eye if all we did was box 3 or even a group and kept to our own side of unpopular zones etc etc.

But people are greedy, give them a finger and before you know it they took the elbow and the, they take the shoulder ripping it clean off, because they feel entitled to it.

I would stop putting effort into the Truebox version, its never gonna do what people want it todo and forum crusaders will only use it to fuel their hatred against MQ2 users, in the end it might make MQ2 be re-targetted by Daybreak.
 
IMO, the biggest issue is PERCEPTION. If people see you doing something that doesn't seem possible with separate keyboards, they're going to report and make a big deal. With that in mind, is there a way to have MQ2Melee without the stick functionality? Having it do my special attacks is such a huge quality of life improvement that doesn't hurt anyone. The stick functionality, though, sticks out like a sore thumb when you see people using it. It's especially obvious when they have more than 1 melee using it.

Kinda funny - I've had people watch me boxing and compliment me saying how it's cool to see someone legitimately boxing and not cheating. Because I do 1 action at a time and don't use /stick on my boxed melee char, they just assume I'm not cheating. It's nice.
 
Totally understand that people like to box and farm and that Phinny is a great source of people looking to buy items, but I feel like when Phinny launched people stopped caring about MQ2 use on other servers. Last thing needed is to be in the spotlight again. There are plenty of other servers to box on. Feel like only quality of life issues should be addressed for any potential future Truebox build. Automation/broadcasting (and really even melee stick) just shouldn't be in. Let the people who want to play without the specter of abuse, regardless of how untrue or inaccurate, have a place they can be and not whine.
 
Is there a way to limit total connections with EQBC? Say 2 or 3 total and that is it. Seems like that might be a viable compromise if even possible. That would get rid of any mass boxing and allow limited EQBC use.
 
not sure fabricating additional ips on a single box would be so easy, hehe, but I get the gist that someone would attempt to come up with another way to bypass restrictions. Maybe something could be built into the integrity check in place now(I say that having no knowledge of how that would be implemented or even possible, though).
 
It's probably not worth the hassle and headache to limit connections through EQBC. Honestly there are enough key/mouse programs out there that let you send keystrokes to other networked PCs. People have been using them since day 1 of Phinny. EQBC only allowed an easier and more fluid method of doing this because it hooked right into the client.

EQBC should 100% be removed. EQMule gave his warning when he opened the doors to Truebox in regards to not abusing it, judging by the fact that over 20+ people have been banned and a number are suspended for AFK killing in WL, CS and CoM, I would say people did not head his warning.

While I see the benefit in having Truebox as an "addon" system, realistically if any wiggle room is left for automated procedures, people will find it. Is it possible to automate without Truebox? Sure, but it's significantly harder when you can't rely on /target, /stick, auto-melee, /casting with -kill tags, etc. Truebox was worth a shot and now that people have chosen to abuse it, it's time to take it away before DBG comes down harder and hits more people.
 
i agree evian people were given a chance and abused it , allowing it to stay is saying ok we know your idiots but here ya go here is a lesser version for you to still fuck the rest of us over with by getting caught
 
It may be of minor consideration to people here, and a very slim possibility.



But given Daybreak's prior ban history regarding all the accounts that were connected to the Steam chargeback issue some weeks ago, and rolling those bans back because it wasn't the individual account owners who actually made the chargebacks, but some larger scam at work...



If the Truebox setup were completely removed, and no longer offered on Phinigel at all. Daybreak might be persuaded to be more hands off regarding other things. What if they start coming down harder on krono or account purchases as a result of this whole situation? I do agree with the others here that it might be for the best of everyone if the option to use it on Phinigel is entirely removed. I think they would be more lenient on other issues in the future.
 
I personally dont understand why any of you need any tools. If you dont want to play 100% manually then do not play on the Truebox server. Go play on a different server. Its pretty simple. That server should remain untouched by any 3rd party programs and anyone who uses them should have their account permanently banned. Some of the things I read on this post make me shake my head. I am currently on break from Phini but I will be back soon enough and I for one hope none of these 3rd party programs are used. If you want to use additional tools/programs/whatever you want to call it, go play on another server. True Box is for real people who can man up and play 100% legit. Real men like me. Bad ass mofos like me. Thanks.
 
I don't play the server and probable never will. I agree with leaving it completely off limits. People cried to get one server without mq2 and I say let them have it. There are plenty of remaining server for us. When the server dies because no one wants to play without "enhancements", maybe, just perhaps, some of the crybabies will learn something from that.
 
I didn't mind letting them have 1 server the question about a TRUEBOX version came up when quarm was released. i would have never even considered this if let's say ragefire or lockjaw would have also gotten instances, which is what I personally feel is the biggest draw for phinigel... But whatevs it is what it is I'm completely scrapping TRUEBOX the 17th I don't need the grief. If we ever revisit this topic it will be something like audio triggers and dps parsing only etc.
 
I personally don't think he was using the truebox version, the guy that got banned I mean. He was power leveling before truebox was even released. I think he was using full blown mq2. According to what people were saying he was doing more than what truebox would allow. While the issue wasn't truebox, it will still catch the blame for things anyway.

While I think truebox is a good idea/should be allowed the community of Everquest is a bunch of whiney crybaby bitches and maybe they're not ready for a truebox version of mq2 yet. This guy recently drew a lot of attention onto us as a community and that'll all go away over the next month or two. Until then everyone needs to point fingers somewhere and the truebox version is gonna get all the flak.



Ultimately, I do agree leaving the kids of phinigel alone. They've shown time and time again that they can't act like adults so dealing with anything involving that server and expecting a mature response is just as silly on our part. If there is no truebox version of mq2 then maybe they'll just blame the assholes in EoE who distribute the cracked version on phinigel instead.
 
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Well I'm disappointed to hear this decision. I agree there are abusers, and like others have mentioned, there's other tools out there to accomplish the same ends. I personally found this extremely useful with the MQ2Melee plugin with stick off as I main a monk and struggle with carpal tunnel being an IT prof of many years.

I hope you reconsider this decision, as there are considerably more users who are responsible with this.
 
LurkMcGurk said:
I personally don't think he was using the truebox version, the guy that got banned I mean. He was power leveling before truebox was even released. I think he was using full blown mq2. According to what people were saying he was doing more than what truebox would allow. While the issue wasn't truebox, it will still catch the blame for things anyway.

While I think truebox is a good idea/should be allowed the community of Everquest is a bunch of whiney crybaby bitches and maybe they're not ready for a truebox version of mq2 yet. This guy recently drew a lot of attention onto us as a community and that'll all go away over the next month or two. Until then everyone needs to point fingers somewhere and the truebox version is gonna get all the flak.



Ultimately, I do agree leaving the kids of phinigel alone. They've shown time and time again that they can't act like adults so dealing with anything involving that server and expecting a mature response is just as silly on our part. If there is no truebox version of mq2 then maybe they'll just blame the assholes in EoE who distribute the cracked version on phinigel instead.
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He really didnt start PLing seriously until it came out. He's been quoted asking in the thread if this was safe to use and will he get banned, after that his volume of sales increased and he had more posts for pre-booking time slots. I have an account that I got from him before he seriously started PLing and it wasnt banned, but I got one a week later and that one was banned. Who knows.

If people were watching him broadcast sit on 30 diff toons then thats something. Maybe he was using VMware too, but it's crazy they're linking everyone together and banning regular characters.
 
eqmule said:
I didn't mind letting them have 1 server the question about a TRUEBOX version came up when quarm was released. i would have never even considered this if let's say ragefire or lockjaw would have also gotten instances, which is what I personally feel is the biggest draw for phinigel... But whatevs it is what it is I'm completely scrapping TRUEBOX the 17th I don't need the grief. If we ever revisit this topic it will be something like audio triggers and dps parsing only etc.
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I feel like people who stay on Ragefire/Lockjaw are being punished by not letting us also have instancing.
 
I was thinking on playing phinni. Honestly the biggest things id be interested in are:

Item Description
AutoAccept (rez/group/etc)
Autoloot (if phinni is using advl, I don't know)
Relay tells
mqtwist (so much better than regular twist)

But no I don't agree with mqMelee. keep it beyond simple utilities that don't truly enhance the gameplay just quality of life.

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also, Timestamps. I don't understand why that isn't apart of standard eq!
 
Thatguy27 said:
I was thinking on playing phinni. Honestly the biggest things id be interested in are:

Item Description
AutoAccept (rez/group/etc)
Autoloot (if phinni is using advl, I don't know)
Relay tells
mqtwist (so much better than regular twist)

But no I don't agree with mqMelee. keep it beyond simple utilities that don't truly enhance the gameplay just quality of life.

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also, Timestamps. I don't understand why that isn't apart of standard eq!
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really?? timestamps arent a part of standard EQ? lol
 
MQ2Paranoid just notifies you when players enter and/or leave the zone just like MQ2PVPAlert does they both basically do the same thing.

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/melee stickrange=0 disables it from auto-sticking on something.
 
fulcrum8387 said:
So does this thread mean there might be a potential return of Very Vanilla Truebox style?! =D
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eqmule said:
I didn't mind letting them have 1 server the question about a TRUEBOX version came up when quarm was released. i would have never even considered this if let's say ragefire or lockjaw would have also gotten instances, which is what I personally feel is the biggest draw for phinigel... But whatevs it is what it is I'm completely scrapping TRUEBOX the 17th I don't need the grief. If we ever revisit this topic it will be something like audio triggers and dps parsing only etc.
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