Guide - Old Man McKenzie - Ancient Heroes: Lord Nagafen

[Sic]

Howdy all!

There have been a bunch of conversation recently around doing the OMM Missions to get the McKenzie Brews and I just started doing these in the last 1-2 weeks, and made a video about doing the Naggy mission this morning

Here are is another thread talking about it > OMM Missions <
Here is the Pak`Cafan website that I referenced > Pak`Cafan <
Here is @GoldenFrog Overseer Macro


Warning - this is a LONG video (lots of profanity too), I did fast forward through some sections and cut some stuff out - so no hard feelings if you don't want to sit through the whole thing =p

Had to reupload this video on 8/3/2020 - stupid anon being broken :'(
had to re-reupload this video again on 8/3/2020 - same issue :(

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[jonnygymnic]

i enjoyed the video, i feel for your concern of people blowing your inbox up if you post ini's but gimme! seriously, i would appreciate any kiss ini's save a lot of time figuring it out from scratch.

 

[jonnygymnic]

on separate note, as i work on making my own macros. how did you get them to chain summon? i can't seem to make that work in kissassist.

 

[Sic]

Im not using kissassist

 

[dealings]

ive gotten a few rez sticks done over the yrs
one grp can get it done
eqbc and or a basic summon pet macro is all that was needed
if the macro isnt laying around here im pretty sure its at other MQ site

 

[Sic]

well i said the macro i used i wrote

 

[dealings]

a basic assist macro w pet summoning when a pet dies, I didn't bother reclaiming energy seemed like a waste of time
on a diff note, I had to get enough brews to buy it, the damn thing never dropped from chest

 

[Sic]

a basic assist macro w pet summoning when a pet dies, I didn't bother reclaiming energy seemed like a waste of time
on a diff note, I had to get enough brews to buy it, the damn thing never dropped from chest

lol yeah 100% on the drop

reclaiming is meh, but i do it at 5-10% since i wasnt sure how long the fights were gonna take, maybe necessary if you have fewer toons, definitely not needed with 12

 

[tegas]

I’ve watched the video a few times and I’m missing something. Even with 6 mages, 6 necro and a sk driver I still can’t get Nagafen down. I can get him by himself but can’t get him down before I run oom and can’t summon any more pets. The best I’ve done is 11%. I am not using many of the abilities, just some basic pet buffs and when they die, I cast new pets and send in. My positioning is same as in video. Really starting to question how much I want this Rez stick. How are people doing this with 6 characters?

 

[Sic]

I’ve watched the video a few times and I’m missing something. Even with 6 mages, 6 necro and a sk driver I still can’t get Nagafen down. I can get him by himself but can’t get him down before I run oom and can’t summon any more pets.

what pets are you using? air pets seem to do more damage, but earth pets are beefier.

I also do the "reabsorb my pet" on the mages when their pets get to 10%

 

[tegas]

Ahh those are probably gonna be the key. I need to adjust my macro to do that. Should solve running out of mana and I’ll do half air pets should help with dps.

 

[Sum1]

what pets are you using? air pets seem to do more damage, but earth pets are beefier.

I also do the "reabsorb my pet" on the mages when their pets get to 10%

Sic, were you still considering if you’d release the macs you use to control all the toons/pets?

 

[tegas]

I am a really new to conditions and stuff but I feel dangerous this morning. I've written a couple MQ2React items that are handling summoning new pets on death and reclaim at 10%. They're working, now I just gotta see if it lets me kill Nagafen. If I win, I'll post what I did.

 

[Sic]

Sic, were you still considering if you’d release the macs you use to control all the toons/pets?

yeah i haven't done the mission again since i was cleaning up the macro lol

 

[tegas]

Nagafen down on first try since writing the MQ2 React conditionals. Thank you Sic for your video. That was extremely helpful. I'll admit this took me 10+ runs to figure out. I underestimated it at first but once you get those conditionals and pulling correctly it can go smoothly.

 

[tegas]

EatPetMage:
action: /alt act 2704
condition: "${Me.Pet.PctHPs} <= 10"
NewPetMage:
action: /multiline ; /alt act 2684 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})"
NewPetNecro:
action: /multiline ; /alt act 2807 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})

 

[tegas]

If someone can explain how I can post that with the correct YAML syntax, i'll edit it and repost or someone can do it for me but if you post that in your YAML file it will not work as written yet.

 

[Sum1]

If someone can explain how I can post that with the correct YAML syntax, i'll edit it and repost or someone can do it for me but if you post that in your YAML file it will not work as written yet.

Use the CODE tag before and then /CODE after. Put those words in brackets [ ].

 

[AnotherJohn]

Thanks for posting the video Sic. As someone who has not done this before but is getting toons ready to try it (still have a few toons that dont have all their qualifying raids yet), I found this very informative and you made a very long video quite entertaining. So I will be trying to set up something that works for me. I am going to try to setup a couple of KissAssist inis for Mage and Necro that will look for the aa's instead of spells and try to use MQ2React to handle both classes pets. This is going to be a bit of a stretch for me as I seem to have a talent for breaking other peoples programs and macros rather then creating anything. Sic you can save me from myself by sharing your pet macro for this (<---shameless attempt to apply public pressure and demand )

That said I got some really good ideas on a couple of hotkeys to set up from Sic's video. I will just have to convert them to Dannet, project 1. I am going to zone in a couple of my characters to see what the aa's are, which I want to use, alt act codes for them and decide if they go in the ini or MQ2React, project 2. Then I will have to see if I can figure out how to set up a MQ2React ini. In reading through the discussion on the MQ2React discussion it looked simple enough but then tegas posted this here and it confused me.

If someone can explain how I can post that with the correct YAML syntax, i'll edit it and repost or someone can do it for me but if you post that in your YAML file it will not work as written yet.

Am I going to need the YAML syntax? It didnt look that way to me. Anyway just a thought.

If anyone sees problems with what I am going to attempt please let me know or Sic if you want to save me the pain and embarrassment of going down this path, you know what you have to do....(<-----another shameless appeal). But in all honesty thank you so much Sic for the video and this discussion area which has given me quite a bit of insight and ideas to try.

 

[tegas]

  EatPetMage:
    action: /alt act 2704
    condition: "${Me.Pet.PctHPs} <= 10"
  NewPetMage:
    action: /multiline ; /alt act 2684 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
    condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})"
  NewPetNecro:
    action: /multiline ; /alt act 2807 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
    condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})

 

[tegas]

updated code posted above. This should have correct YAML syntax.

Anotherjohn, the only thing with YAML is it is space sensitive so the way you indent each line matters as much as the code itself for it to work.

I apologize for my confusing post. I sent you a PM in discord to offer further help on Nagafen and Vox.

 

[AnotherJohn]

updated code posted above. This should have correct YAML syntax.

Anotherjohn, the only thing with YAML is it is space sensitive so the way you indent each line matters as much as the code itself for it to work.

I apologize for my confusing post. I sent you a PM in discord to offer further help on Nagafen and Vox.

Thanks for your offer Tegas but in playing around with it I did get it to work. Did my 2nd successful run late yesterday so was going to post my setup of MQ2React here. It is almost the same except I set EatPetMage at 15 since pet seemed to die before it could get reabsorbed at 10. Then I actually disabled it since mana did not seem to be a problem. May be a play style thing or number of toons (I did it with 9). I may end up enabling it again and seeing if it helps. With only 2 runs I dont have a ton of experience to say what is best. The second thing is, I think you may want to be running a higher level necro pet or am I missing something? I am not familiar with necros so may be a reason for running the lower level pet that I am not familiar with. My setup:

reacts:
EatPet:
action: /alt act 2704
condition: "${Me.Pet.PctHPs} <= 15"
NewPetMage:
action: /multiline ; /alt act 2684 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})"
NewPetNecro:
action: /multiline ; /alt act 2810 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})"
NewPetWater:
action: /multiline ; /alt act 2686 ; /timed 110 /pet attack
condition: "(!${Me.Pet.ID})"

Also note, I am running 2 earth pets and 4 water pets which is why the 2 different alt act #'s. Again, not sure if that is the best mix it is just what I was successful with and have not played with it since. Thanks for your offer to help but so far so good.

Last tip, I also set up level 50 KA inis just for OMM. All you have to do is add the AA name of the spells you want to use and off you go. I found that actually casting DPS spells only messed with pet agro so ended up not using in my setup. The only thing that really helps are the self buffs and pet buffs. The pets run off too quick when summoned by MQ2React but they will get buffed when you have downtime between fights so at least all your first pets going into big fights have the buffs. Hope this helps and thanks again Sic for your video and a forum to share OMM info and also to tegas for getting me to look at MQ2React as a solution. AnotherJohn

Edit: the indents of the reacts show correct before I posted this but in the final post they are not there so be aware users will need to indent properly. Sorry, limited computer skills strike again.

 

[TempusX]

For what it's worth, I have a naggy/vox macro as well that i've develoepd (although its designed for 6 characters) that auto summons and engages pets. it's a joint venture with another guy, and I need to revamp a couple things in it, but it gets your task and class assignment as well. plus gives you invis/nuke options and some other goodies. Probably not as nice and Sic's polished though.

Plus i'm mid development on a group macro to run those tasks. hopeful to see beta in a week (ish). Dont need mq2react or anything else, macro handles it all for you.

The raid one, my setup is designed around 5 mages and a necro.. only to help split the naggy/vox rooms out with FD. but i've beat both naggy and vox with as few as 3 mages.

 

[jonnygymnic]

how did you do vox with 3? i tried a few runs and keep having reset issue from doorway warp.

 

[Eomund]

Ok. So if you do this long enough figuring it out, you run out of malachite. Is there a quick way to buy more while in shroud or do you have to drop it and restart, losing your progress?

 

[Sic]

Ok. So if you do this long enough figuring it out, you run out of malachite. Is there a quick way to buy more while in shroud or do you have to drop it and restart, losing your progress?

good question - I don't think you can get more - I had to restart when i was figuring it out and ran out

 

[Eomund]

Yeah, I tried dropping three people from the Task, then adding them back in as new mages but it dropped the whole event and I had to start over.

 

[TempusX]

For the raid/groups, you get 20 pet tokens, be it malachite or bone chips and that is it. No refills.

The raids can be done with 3 but it's a bit harder and you are required 6 n zone to loot the chest anyway. the 3 usually is what happens if a couple eat dirt at some point.

 

[tegas]

you can refill those reagents. Purchase the items, then, If you have a mage, summon some items onto the receiving character so that they are on your cursor. Then trade the purchased items onto the character that has items on cursor. Then zone in. If you don’t have a mage. Fill your bag slots. Trade an empty extraplanar trade satchel so it’s on the cursor then trade the reagents. You may lose the trade satchel but you should have the reagents on your cursor when u zone in.

this is also the way to get summoned mage pet items into the instance