@edsarto versatility is one thing, a sk has a roller coaster hp. i have both and played multiples throughout the years. warriors are more stable tanks. a ranger can tank but imagine the healing that they need. a warriors mitigation is better. i know the sk has come close but its more than the defensive stance. for instance... in a 10 hit scenario a war takes the highest of the 10 hits and gets rid of it, a sk does not.
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Warriors also crumple faster than a prom dress when their healer goes AFK mid fight lol
Im glad your parses show you what you have stated. My HP has no roller coaster in it. ( buff without glyph im at 950k + hp, with Glyph im over 1mil, and I know warriors that are sitting even above my numbers) and I easily stand right with them. My parses show I easily match a warrior tanking a raid boss. I do this every week. I will suggest the mitigation isn't an issue either and I have gone over a min without a healer on more then one occasion, after the main warrior Tank dropped because the healer got eaten.
I dont mind that you prefer a warrior but I can assure you, This SK can tank as well as any warrior I have met. I do it in every NOS raid without issues every week. There is only one mob that semi gives me trouble and it because of the aura in pit fight but, that just makes me more like a warrior since I cannot self tap as much to stay standing easier and my healer has to work like they are healing a warrior.
I also want to be clear here, I like that I have high end Warriors to raid with. We make a great team and we easily cover and work well with each other every raid we have. I will only snip the most recent percantages tanking This is over the coarse of one night three raids all of us tanking a boss and some adds.
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Meyep you proved my point. look at your hits. i never said they couldn't tank. it is just harder for them. personally i also think since you sk's get warrior abilities (defensive stance) warriors should get life taps. then the similarities would drop like a rock. @hellfyre you are right they go down as fast as a 2 cent prostitute with a dollar bill. do group gear on your next parse and you will see the biggest difference, raid gears hide a lot. i do not see any sk raiding in group gear, i however see warriors doing it all the time.
Question (because I'm actually interested in your reasoning and I'd like to learn something):
Why do you prioritize HDEX over everything else for SKs, including AC? I would have thought some of the newer NOS augs with more HPs and AC would win out over a say COV aug with slightly more HDEX but much less HP/AC.
Why do you prioritize HDEX over everything else for SKs, including AC? I would have thought some of the newer NOS augs with more HPs and AC would win out over a say COV aug with slightly more HDEX but much less HP/AC.
i didn't argue anything, i said raid gear hides a lot. drop back to group gear and parse against a group gear war, the numbers go even farther separation. im not hoping anything i do know that it is harder to heal a sk than a warrior. your own parse said it was harder to heal you. you proved what i said a warriors mitigation is top notch and the agro line single target is top notch, cant dispute that.
You make alot of assumptions. Ask the shammy that typically heals me how hard it is, the warriors have clerics. SKs can easily go full STA or full DEX or full AGI. I have ran with all of those setups in NOS and stand tall with each. Each has its own benefits. If you actually looked at the numbers you would see as much. There is no reasoning with someone that has made there mind up. I was always taught just agree with them and move on.
I wasn't going to post more but without seeing a bigger sample, your mitigation ideas might be believed by others so heres further information for all to chew on.
In shots wheres there multi SK im the lowest %. Some nights we have varying crews. Some nights we tank more bosses and some nights we tank more adds. I could easily try and skew the numbers by only showing where I was lower but I posted a few weeks worth. To be fair in some these I was more DEX and the lower ones I was more AGI. I didnt go far enough back in the year to post STA ones but if I have the time I will.
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Depends, it has tells that show your using a program that 98.73% of people parsing can tell.. if its a MQ friendly guild, not a issue. If it is a no MQ raiding guild, you MIGHT be lucky to get a warning, more likely a bunch of folks reporting you.
Wow .. ok good to know. I don't mind playing manually I was just curious if anyone ever did that. Thanks for the heads up!
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We've had people try to use automation on raids and it usually turns out poorly. *IF* you're just playing 1 character, you'd be much better off playing manually. The botted tanks usually ends up doing something stupid, like trying to rip agro off the main tank assigned to the boss. It's especially bad when the bot is a knight who is expected to off tank adds and they're struck trying to fight the warrior for the boss. I will tell anyone who will listen that they should leave the full class automation (KA, RG, CWTN) out of the raid. Save that for when you're group grinding.
Now, if you're going to be running multiple characters on the raid, maybe you're in a raid with other multi-boxers/botters, there are ways you can set things up to get a better result. But it will involve a lot more setup ahead of time to get it just right.
Manually smashing buttons.
And if folks are using it becomes extremely obvious in many instances. Like ganking agro from the main tank, even me as main tank at times. I usually get "sorry I had taunt on".
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Out of curiosity, what was the reason and how was it removed?
In my guild / fellow the topic of tank augs comes up regularly, so knowing this owuld be good.
You can Dex your raid warrior also, with the current augs you can basically stack agi,sta and or dex to 4k and then bump sta or dex higher.
@hytiek done yet?