Question - Multi Group Management

[Naeeldar]

So I've done a lot of searching I've been on VV on and off since ragefire tlp and been 6 boxing modern content on test for a long time. Very comfortable with complex KA / events / still learning conditions as needed.

Now that I'm on Rizlona I'm looking to move up to 18/24/ugh maybe 30 (i know it's addicting). I plan to try this out first on test (since i can plevel to 65 in no time 4 groups. Been debating where to start and looking for recommendations for those have done say Luclin - DODH multi group raiding. I've research Core and learnign a lot about entropy (so seems like no point in using core at this point) but I'm also most comfortable with KA in terms of I have almost every class in game setup ( I lost track of my 115 count on test on my various 6 box but i know it's over 32).

The thing about KA is I can find no real deep threads where people actively manage multiple groups - which has me questioning why and/or what are people using to accomplish multiple group management - particular in a raid setting.

On a completely unrelated note after hitting a high of 13 aa an hour in elemental tonight - I'm completely shocked nobody has wrote an ench charm plugin/mac yet for TLP alone it would be worthwhile and I suspect a paid plugin for many. Anyway going to max out aa over next day then start my raid groups on test.

 

[Sic]

So I've done a lot of searching I've been on VV on and off since ragefire tlp and been 6 boxing modern content on test for a long time. Very comfortable with complex KA / events / still learning conditions as needed.

Now that I'm on Rizlona I'm looking to move up to 18/24/ugh maybe 30 (i know it's addicting). I plan to try this out first on test (since i can plevel to 65 in no time 4 groups. Been debating where to start and looking for recommendations for those have done say Luclin - DODH multi group raiding. I've research Core and learnign a lot about entropy (so seems like no point in using core at this point) but I'm also most comfortable with KA in terms of I have almost every class in game setup ( I lost track of my 115 count on test on my various 6 box but i know it's over 32).

The thing about KA is I can find no real deep threads where people actively manage multiple groups - which has me questioning why and/or what are people using to accomplish multiple group management - particular in a raid setting.

On a completely unrelated note after hitting a high of 13 aa an hour in elemental tonight - I'm completely shocked nobody has wrote an ench charm plugin/mac yet for TLP alone it would be worthwhile and I suspect a paid plugin for many. Anyway going to max out aa over next day then start my raid groups on test.

for something like a large raid force you might be better served with something like Entopy (successor to core) - as you mentioned or Modbot which has that idea in mind. kiss was initially made with the "keep it simple stupid" in mind - raiding and large forces kinda are a secondary thought.

mq2enchanter handles charming pretty super awesomely

 

[Naeeldar]

for something like a large raid force you might be better served with something like Entopy (successor to core) - as you mentioned or Modbot which has that idea in mind. kiss was initially made with the "keep it simple stupid" in mind - raiding and large forces kinda are a secondary thought.

mq2enchanter handles charming pretty super awesomely

Interesting all my searches on "mutli/ple groups" and what not never came across Modbot only core and entropy. I'll have to do some research on that first. I guess since I'm looking to try this out on test I should download next (also try that) and then entropy potentially as well. Wasn't looking to move over just yet but form the other threads it does sound easy.

Didn't realize mq2ench had that function. I play multiple pcs so I really haven't done a whole lot with CWTN plugins for that reason. VEry nice function for TLP. I can see myself charming easily in fire until tss. No way there is better xp out there.

 

[Mythas]

I use MuleAssist across 24, and it handles charm as well.

 

[Naeeldar]

So I never looked at mule because everybody said it wasn’t as customizable. Just checked out the video and I’m intrigued.

you play 24 on one pc or multiple? How do you handle movement And some of those basic tasks? In some ways it’s more of a pain then combat.

 

[lilwizzie]

I play 24 on Riz across multiple PCs using a combo of CWtN and KA. The key is setting up your hot keys, Sic’s are a good starting point, just modify to broadcast to everyone rather than a single group.

 

[Szazor]

Boxing 54 is not so different to boxing 6.

STEP 1. COMMUNICATION
You need to use something to pass messages between toons. I use EQBCS2 - because it seems to handle the traffic better. I also Use ISBOXER to Broadcast to all is sometimes quicker.
Practice getting your Basic Communication down to a fine art.

STEP 2 HOTKEYS
You will need Hotkeys Ie Everyone PAUSE...Everyone Pause OFF... (Use MQ2BOXR I Love it)
Adapt your group commands to work for the entire raid is very easy: /bcaa //nav id ${Me.ID}

• Getting all the toons into a Raid (Create a Macro that invites toons to grp, then invites toons to raid, then starts their macro/mode, sets yourself as assist, Turns chase on)
• Setting Raid Mode on (CWTN Plugins)
• Setting Assist
• Setting Chase Mode ON
• Setting Chase Mode Off
• Targetting closest Door
• Clicking Door
• Easy find Hotkeys etc.

I end up having too many keys i'd like to make - so I have a text document open on another monitor.
I can copy and paste a command directly into chat.

ie:
/bcaa //easyfind "Guild Hall"

Will run everytoon from the guild lobby to the small guild hall.

Once you have the basics down.....Everything else is dependant on the individual Raid.

Most of the earlier raids were basically Zerg fests - so If your hot keys are correct - you will have no trouble moving around and driving from your Main Assist.

When things get a little more complex - you need to start being more creative. Setting up MQ2Events for each character can be daunting.
I am finding Balancing is the hardest with 54 toons, and mostly skip the raids that require balancing.

Though I'm doing Tower of ROT raid at the moment trying to get 54 Shield of the Immaculate - and I just set everyone on AOE mode and try and burn them down in a controlled manner.


Are there any raids in particular that you think are more difficult and require custom script?

 

[eqplayer16]

ie:
/bcaa //easyfind "Guild Hall"

You might like this macro szazor, it will take everyone to the guildhall if you run it from POK (or guildlobby). Kinda pieced it together after working on AllScribe

[CODE lang="ini" title="goguild"]| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| SUB: Main
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Main
/while (!${Zone.ShortName.Equal[guildhall]}) {
/if (${Zone.ShortName.Equal[guildlobby]}) /call guildlobby
/if (${Zone.ShortName.Equal[PoKnowledge]}) /call poknowledge
/delay 2
}
}
/return


| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| SUB: GuildLobby
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub GuildLobby
/echo \ag--\atZoning into Guild Hall \ag--
/squelch /nav door id 3 click
/while (${Navigation.Active}) {
/delay 1s
}
/delay 15s ${Zone.ShortName.Equal[guildhall]}==TRUE
/delay 1s
/return


| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| SUB: PoKnowledge
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub PoKnowledge
/echo \ag--\atZoning into Guild Lobby \ag--
/squelch /nav door id 17 click
/while (${Navigation.Active}) {
/delay 1s
}
/delay 15s ${Zone.ShortName.Equal[guildlobby]}==TRUE
/delay 1s
/return[/CODE]

 

[Naeeldar]

Boxing 54 is not so different to boxing 6.

STEP 1. COMMUNICATION
You need to use something to pass messages between toons. I use EQBCS2 - because it seems to handle the traffic better. I also Use ISBOXER to Broadcast to all is sometimes quicker.
Practice getting your Basic Communication down to a fine art.

STEP 2 HOTKEYS
You will need Hotkeys Ie Everyone PAUSE...Everyone Pause OFF... (Use MQ2BOXR I Love it)
Adapt your group commands to work for the entire raid is very easy: /bcaa //nav id ${Me.ID}

• Getting all the toons into a Raid (Create a Macro that invites toons to grp, then invites toons to raid, then starts their macro/mode, sets yourself as assist, Turns chase on)
• Setting Raid Mode on (CWTN Plugins)
• Setting Assist
• Setting Chase Mode ON
• Setting Chase Mode Off
• Targetting closest Door
• Clicking Door
• Easy find Hotkeys etc.

I end up having too many keys i'd like to make - so I have a text document open on another monitor.
I can copy and paste a command directly into chat.

ie:
/bcaa //easyfind "Guild Hall"

Will run everytoon from the guild lobby to the small guild hall.

Once you have the basics down.....Everything else is dependant on the individual Raid.

Most of the earlier raids were basically Zerg fests - so If your hot keys are correct - you will have no trouble moving around and driving from your Main Assist.

When things get a little more complex - you need to start being more creative. Setting up MQ2Events for each character can be daunting.
I am finding Balancing is the hardest with 54 toons, and mostly skip the raids that require balancing.

Though I'm doing Tower of ROT raid at the moment trying to get 54 Shield of the Immaculate - and I just set everyone on AOE mode and try and burn them down in a controlled manner.


Are there any raids in particular that you think are more difficult and require custom script?

So Saturday evening I took my new 24 to 65 and then through Sunday started hitting up VT + elemetal and some of time to gear them up. one of things I noticed running 28 (my 4 115’s) + my new group set is that I’m issuing a lot more commands as many here mentioned. In fact I already have a notepd out of game also and I’ve booked marked a dozen or see redguide pages to dig into later (searching a lot for commands).

What I’ve learned is it seems like that prep work will be the biggest deal - to your point these raids aren’t super complicated.

Because I’ve played 6 on two pcs I think I’ve used the commands less than most or got around it with easy find + mimic. Things like doors, clicking yes on guild portal (that one sucks) clicking the port ups in Time Not fun.

Combat wise right now only major item I’m anticipated right now is how to handle split tanking if not messing etc..

 

[Naeeldar]

Actually on a semi related note, I’ve found lots of old guides or tips around useful commands or hotkeys. I’ve had most of Sic’s in use for awhile but it’s interesting how many good and useful tips and hotkeys exist out there - many useful for new people I feel like.

As I setup this new 24 group - I’m going to organize all the keys in a doc by category. No idea if I’ll get around to it but toying with idea of pulling together a guide of a full group/raid setup. If nothing else always useful to have every hotkey out of game to paste into new boxes.

 

[eqplayer16]

I modified drwhomp setsocialkeys macro to fit my raid needs. Then when I need to edit a hot key I always edit it in that macro. The macro can be loaded in every character with a Dannet command, and then can copy hotkey/socials setups easily between characters.

As mentioned by others I also just do a lot of typing of commands as well with /dgra and /dgza

 

[Mythas]

So I never looked at mule because everybody said it wasn’t as customizable. Just checked out the video and I’m intrigued.

you play 24 on one pc or multiple? How do you handle movement And some of those basic tasks? In some ways it’s more of a pain then combat.

I love MuleAssist. I'm probably the poster-boy for "not-so-smart-guy who can make MuleAssist work for him" so if you have any questions or doubts, just think "Well, Mythas is doing it, I can too!" I honestly haven't peeked at KissAssist since the switch but it's probably similar to the classic "Ford v. Chevrolet" debate.

I do play all of them on the same PC, but MQ2EQWIRE (or Next's simulated framerate adjustments) are mandatory on my not-high-end rig. I use DanNet to issue commands. I found some commands here that you can insert into your MapInfo.ini file so that if you, say, Ctrl+Right Click on the map, everyone runs to that spot. Various combos for casters, melee, etc. If I'm using VV, I abuse the hell out of /travelto. If I'm on Next, I have to move everyone to PoK stones/zonelines and "/multiline ; /dgze /doortarget ; /timed 15 /dgze /click left door"

 

[Naeeldar]

I love MuleAssist. I'm probably the poster-boy for "not-so-smart-guy who can make MuleAssist work for him" so if you have any questions or doubts, just think "Well, Mythas is doing it, I can too!" I honestly haven't peeked at KissAssist since the switch but it's probably similar to the classic "Ford v. Chevrolet" debate.

I do play all of them on the same PC, but MQ2EQWIRE (or Next's simulated framerate adjustments) are mandatory on my not-high-end rig. I use DanNet to issue commands. I found some commands here that you can insert into your MapInfo.ini file so that if you, say, Ctrl+Right Click on the map, everyone runs to that spot. Various combos for casters, melee, etc. If I'm using VV, I abuse the hell out of /travelto. If I'm on Next, I have to move everyone to PoK stones/zonelines and "/multiline ; /dgze /doortarget ; /timed 15 /dgze /click left door"

Makes sense thanks for sharing. THe one reason I haven't tried next yet is the easyfind / travelto. Really makes it easy to move (thoguh that at) and with the 24+ last few days I really think it now