On my beastlord I honestly can't out do kiss very long so many buttons to press. Even if there was a 10% gap between me and kiss that gap is gone the first time I go to the bathroom not to mention get lazy get water tab to porn. Also my kiss beastlord out performs other beasties that I meet out in the wild by a big margin.
Then ontop of that I'm boxing other characters I couldn't even box all of them well without kiss or another macro. I would not get 100% out of my beastlord using isboxer, mezzing with my bard while tanking on my warrior and doing shaman stuff on the shaman.
Well, that's partly because you chose a Beastlord - you can't really effectively box melee without MQ2. Almost all melee I know that do good DPS, depend on MQ2melee or some other fast attacking MQ2 plugin/macro. I have tried doing good DPS on a melee character by manually attacking and it's a bloody nightmare, I agree 100%.
The argument isn't that you can play better than Kissassist (although I do think you can; that's not the basis of this argument), it's that you can do more damage than Kissassist by manually attacking, manually popping your burns when needed. You can let KISS do everything else, so long as you manually attack and manually pop burns you WILL notice a BIG dps increase. With melee, popping your burns manually and not depending on Kissassist will give you a massive DPS increase since Melee burns are so short and Kissassist pops them slow as fuuuuuuuuuck. Some of my Beastlord's burns only last 30 seconds, Kissassist takes at lesat 10 seconds to pop all of my burns which means 1/3 of my burns are completely wasted.
For classes like Beastlords/Berserkers/Bards - I guess the best advice I could give to improve your DPS is depend more on MQ2melee than Kissassist, unless Kissassist attacks faster with conditions as Eqmule said. I don't use melee characters on my box team because they suck so badly when playing them with Kissassist and I am too lazy/retarded to setup MQ2melee.
kiss is a macro that you get out of it based on what you put into it.
I dislike this argument because it's saying, "well if you setup KA like a pro or know how to code very well, it works great!" when almost no one in this community properly uses KA nor knows how to code very well. Even the people who created kissassist don't share their INI files to give examples of right vs wrong.... It's just my personal opinion as someone else who creates things for the community - blaming the users for misusing the macro you fail to properly explain or code is nothing short of ignorance mixed with arrogance. It's why I always gave ChatWithThisName shit for calling people retarded when they bugged out his macro.... No, the person who created it is retarded for not accounting for that problem. As a creator, that's your responsibility - if you create something and EVERYONE misuses it - it's not their fault, it's yours.
I agree more is at play than what my original argument states though, Kissassist has its uses and so do many other macros, absolutely. I use Kiss every day and love it - but that doesn't change the fact that it does terrible DPS when compared to a real player. When I play the game, 99.9% of the time I depend solely on Kissassist. When I do a mission or something "hard" I know that I need to turn Kissassist off and depend on myself... Or at the very least just spam the attack button/heal button while I am fighting mobs.
Note: By a "real player" I do mean someone 6 boxing, 12 boxing, 18 boxing. I manually control my entire box team and I can do it better than any sort of automation ever could. Not because I am good but because I practiced. You can also still play with Kissassist and increase your DPS - all you need to do is make a button for manually attacking and two buttons for popping cooldowns. When I say "real player" that's all I mean. Someone who is pressing a single button at about 120 BPM and someone who can press once button every 30 minutes or every time you're about to fight a named enemy to pop your burns.
Just a suggestion, if you're going to invest time in an opinionated forum post (or any medium), take the time to include solid and clear references to the overall argument supposedly taking place so those of us without background knowledge can have some context to follow.
I added a few pictures of people who have confronted me on this idea before, as well as links to previous posts where I had a similar argument. I do agree though, I could have worded my argument better. I'll probably be making another post once they fix gamparse where I ONLY link parses. I'll leave *my* drama out of it to prevent more drama from happening in the thread =P
I'm taking personal responsibility for all the drama that happened in this thread. I worded my post like an asshole and I should have focused more on the numbers than on the "drama" of the issue. It's my fault this thread got so out of control. There are some people though that will never be convinced no matter how much is posted, such as Kaen below:
you all keep talking about oh there is situations where humans are better cause of this and that, yes, hte maacro aint programmed or set up to handle all situations. its made to fire your rotation so you dont have to.
Your arguments are always stupid, provide no evidence aside from anecdotal and you refuse to accept anyone elses evidence. You're a perfect example of someone who solely forms his opinions on his own emotions and refuses to accept factual evidence. I guess I should stop trying to argue with you about this subject.... Because you can't reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into.
(a) update to kiss 11 (b) clean out your ini's (c) if not using kiss11.003+ conditions use them.
