Question - Groupable Raid Encounters

[Sum1]

I'd like to see what raids people are able to do with kissassist and perhaps a few custom holy/downshits. I know there are people here with massive custom macros that handle really unique or complicated raids, but I'm looking for stuff I can Zerg through with my kissassist running toons. To give you an idea of what I'm running with:

SK (EoK T2 and lots of ultra-rare items)
WAR (EoK T1 and T2, some Ultra-rare items)
CLR x2
ENC
BRD
MAGE
WIZ x3
BER
RNG
BST

Also potentially could split another mage and a shaman off onto their own to add in, as well.

All the melee toons have EoK ultra-rare weapons.

So, what have you guys been able to do, and what do you think I can do and/or should do for cool clicked/items?

Thanks!

 

[surfdog21]

I too am interested in this. Mainly current content stuff though, unless its past content and the rewards are above par for now.

 

[Chanticleer]

Emo is doable have to have healing thou from tbm

 

[TheFiddler]

Emo is doable have to have healing thou from tbm

Please elaborate, what do you mean by "Emo"?

~TheFiddler~

 

[LurkMcGurk]

You could probably do up to RoF quite easily with that team. Some stuff in RoF would be doable but definitely not all. Like you could kill a few dragons in NToV.

VoA you could easily do Argath/Sarith/Beasts Domain etc etc - I have boxed them with 18 before back during CoTF.



Not sure what 'clickables' drop though - I usually did the older raids for twink armor to sell

 

[Sum1]

Other than gearing up twinks, is there any reason to go back and do those raids now that gear is what it is in TBM and EoK?

 

[Chanticleer]

Please elaborate, what do you mean by "Emo"?

~TheFiddler~

Emolious in tbm I've done with people me. Boxing 6 and 2 other people boxing 6

 

[Fennil]

Ashengate for High Elf all/all clickie illusion, NToV for spells, HoT if you have the progression done shouldnt be hard either.

 

[Sum1]

Ashengate for High Elf all/all clickie illusion, NToV for spells, HoT if you have the progression done shouldnt be hard either.

NTOV for spells (guessing stuff like twincast?) sounds interesting... anything HoT or pre-HoT I raided, so there is limited stuff in those expansions, unless there's some SK/Warrior "must-halves" that I'm unaware of.

Which NTOV encounters should I focus on?

 

[LurkMcGurk]

NTOV for spells (guessing stuff like twincast?) sounds interesting... anything HoT or pre-HoT I raided, so there is limited stuff in those expansions, unless there's some SK/Warrior "must-halves" that I'm unaware of.

Which NTOV encounters should I focus on?

NTOV doesn't give any spells (except terrormotes) which idk why you'd still be using Rk. 3 RoF spells except for very few select ones on very few select classes. There's honestly no drops you'd want from NToV outside of best in slot level 95 gear. So.... I'm not sure what he's talking about with getting spells from NToV. The *only* way NToV can aid you in getting a useful 'spell' (outside of terrormotes) is if you killed Vulak for Crystallized Fear (then) beat all of T1/2 RoF and got the raid achievements that way you can buy the Twincast clicky for currency.... Which yea - you're going to have a much harder time meeting the requirements than getting the currency.


You could easily do Lady Mirnella, Koi Doken, Dagarn, Cekenar should be easy enough as well as Jorlleag. Depending on how good you are at controling your team others would be fairly easy too. It's less about how much DPS you can do for some of the dragons and more about how well you can control your whole team at once.

 

[Birdman]

You think a 105 Bard/Warrior/Cleric/Zerker/Shaman/Wizard could do voa raids? I know I cant request any HoT raids because you have to have Ferrott the dream raid beaten and no one will do it on my server. any suggestions? id like to do voa I mean it be kick ass to build a bad ass toon for that expansion to PL others with.

 

[aspire2008]

Only reason I would ever do old raids is for the tier 1 raid non-prestige gear, which is always the best non-prestige gear for that level range except the Hero's Journey armor, last time I did a search check. Newer expansion they don't even offer a tier 1 non-prestige anymore

 

[rhb]

I bet you could do Maestro, but of course you have to clear hate to find out.

Other than that, yeah Emo is doable but I think it would be pretty tough solo (only you). A lot easier if you have someone else manning the tank position.

I missed TDS so I don't know those raids very well.

I bet you could also give Xulous Prime a run for his money, just need to watch the ooze or whatever that keep popping up.

 

[LurkMcGurk]

You think a 105 Bard/Warrior/Cleric/Zerker/Shaman/Wizard could do voa raids? I know I cant request any HoT raids because you have to have Ferrott the dream raid beaten and no one will do it on my server. any suggestions? id like to do voa I mean it be kick ass to build a bad ass toon for that expansion to PL others with.

you can very easily do...

Argath
Sarith
Beast's Domain

Valley you may be able to do but it would require more tactics than the previously mentioned ones. Argath would also require a lot of tactics since it requires you to move two objects simultaneously while tanking the boss.

I bet you could also give Xulous Prime a run for his money, just need to watch the ooze or whatever that keep popping up.

I'd be quite surprised if someone can take out Xulous Prime in CoTF with 3 groups or under. The CoTF raids have quite a bit more HP than previous X-pacs and for the most part we just don't have the mana these days to successfully do them yet with those numbers. Xulous in particular has too many adds + movement mechanics as well as I think over 400mil HP.

 

[rhb]

I'd be quite surprised if someone can take out Xulous Prime in CoTF with 3 groups or under. The CoTF raids have quite a bit more HP than previous X-pacs and for the most part we just don't have the mana these days to successfully do them yet with those numbers. Xulous in particular has too many adds + movement mechanics as well as I think over 400mil HP.

Yeah I actually miscounted, thought OP had 18 and also figured he had more zerks. Disregard pretty much any raid above RoF

On a side note, I accept your challenge that you didn't give, and I'm going to attempt Xulous with:

SK (As main tank )
Mag
Zerk
Zerk
Clr
Rog
Enc

Plus the help of surfdog21 and his minions...Specifically
War
Zerk
Clr
Mag
Rng

Will report back if completed. If not I'll sulk away and probably wont speak of it until the next xpac

 

[LurkMcGurk]

Yeah I actually miscounted, thought OP had 18 and also figured he had more zerks. Disregard pretty much any raid above RoF

On a side note, I accept your challenge that you didn't give, and I'm going to attempt Xulous with:

SK (As main tank )
Mag
Zerk
Zerk
Clr
Rog
Enc

Plus the help of surfdog21 and his minions...Specifically
War
Zerk
Clr
Mag
Rng

Will report back if completed. If not I'll sulk away and probably wont speak of it until the next xpac

I don't think you will have enough control of the melee characters to be able to dodge xulous' cloud and handle all of the adds reliably. Xulous is one of the hardest CoTF encounters to do as a boxer if you can't walk in and burn him down in less than 40 seconds (which is literally the only strategy I use for beating him).

You *may* be able to down the encounter through mostly luck if you try it enough but I don't consider that actually being able to kill an encounter. I've had that same discussion with someone else on these boards =P




I'm definitely curious of those who have boxed TBM encounters - if anyone wants to answer me I would be curious if you cheese the encounter (meaning beating it in a way that isn't intentional; like pet walling or something like that) and I would also be curious how reliably you can beat that encounter (such as 1 in 10 tries).

I've argued with etherealmist here on this subject about the differences of using Isboxer/Mq2 and how much one or the other can help on raids. I couldn't get through to him there but my argument was you can't script every raid in the game and there's always going to be some encounters that are unbeatable if you only control 1 character at a time. Sadly though some people take this personally for some reason and think I am being arrogant when I am just stating my own experiences and what I know to be true, I know I am not the best communicator so some fault is definitely mine.

Anyway, point is - I would enjoy being proven wrong about this because it's something I have always been curious of myself. So, any information people can provide about the TBM raids they beat would be fantastic. Of course I am not looking for your exact strategy, I know some wouldn't want to give that away as it would increase competition. But if anyone who has boxed TBM raid would like to share their experience(s) and what raids they've done and especially what raids they've tried I would be very interested in hearing about it.

 

[Sum1]

I don't think you will have enough control of the melee characters to be able to dodge xulous' cloud and handle all of the adds reliably. Xulous is one of the hardest CoTF encounters to do as a boxer if you can't walk in and burn him down in less than 40 seconds (which is literally the only strategy I use for beating him).

You *may* be able to down the encounter through mostly luck if you try it enough but I don't consider that actually being able to kill an encounter. I've had that same discussion with someone else on these boards =P




I'm definitely curious of those who have boxed TBM encounters - if anyone wants to answer me I would be curious if you cheese the encounter (meaning beating it in a way that isn't intentional; like pet walling or something like that) and I would also be curious how reliably you can beat that encounter (such as 1 in 10 tries).

I've argued with etherealmist here on this subject about the differences of using Isboxer/Mq2 and how much one or the other can help on raids. I couldn't get through to him there but my argument was you can't script every raid in the game and there's always going to be some encounters that are unbeatable if you only control 1 character at a time. Sadly though some people take this personally for some reason and think I am being arrogant when I am just stating my own experiences and what I know to be true, I know I am not the best communicator so some fault is definitely mine.

Anyway, point is - I would enjoy being proven wrong about this because it's something I have always been curious of myself. So, any information people can provide about the TBM raids they beat would be fantastic. Of course I am not looking for your exact strategy, I know some wouldn't want to give that away as it would increase competition. But if anyone who has boxed TBM raid would like to share their experience(s) and what raids they've done and especially what raids they've tried I would be very interested in hearing about it.

The TBM raid cheesing was originally due to a bug, but that was (sorta) fixed, so then they did it more or less legit by just having a shitload of boxed/botted toons.

I know of others here who actively script their own macros on an event by event basis (or they use include files, I forget), which DOES effectively meet the raid requirements for stupid emotes and bullshit like that. Pretty slick, but I'm not at that level, nor do I have access to those files.

I'm mostly looking for relatively recent stuff we can burn down or zerg through with rewards that are still semi-useful for us. Stuff like great augs, unique clickies, best-in-slot gear for lvl 85 heroics (VoA T1, iirc), and whatever else might be fun/useful.

As a previous poster said, I don't have 18 toons and 5+ zerkers, but the toons I do have are well fairly well geared (EoK T1 or better) with max AA's. The SK and Warrior are both buffing over 200k hps and have a bunch of EoK ultrarares. I could also move a couple toons around to make more room, with possibly getting up to 18 toons online at once. I'm sitting at 14-15 regularly now.

 

[timmy]

Someone on FV should farm any rof raids they can thatdrop crystallized fear. There is always a strong market for these to purchase bifolds and proc clicked. Food for thought! Pm me if you want to sell me your crystallized fear! Ha!

 

[surfdog21]

Plus the help of @surfdog21 and his minions...Specifically
War
Zerk
Clr
Mag
Rng

RHB I can add another Chanter X2, Mage, Monk and Bard to that mix.

if you can't walk in and burn him down in less than 40 seconds (which is literally the only strategy I use for beating him).

I've got the burn thanx to Redguides!

 

[LurkMcGurk]

I know of others here who actively script their own macros on an event by event basis (or they use include files, I forget), which DOES effectively meet the raid requirements for stupid emotes and bullshit like that. Pretty slick, but I'm not at that level, nor do I have access to those files.

It can definitely be done but there's some raids I think that are unscriptable and would block you where flags are required. Using that same logic though, there's probably raids that are much easier to be beaten scripted than actually boxed by playing.

I'm mostly looking for relatively recent stuff we can burn down or zerg through with rewards that are still semi-useful for us. Stuff like great augs, unique clickies, best-in-slot gear for lvl 85 heroics (VoA T1, iirc), and whatever else might be fun/useful.

Only raid I know with an aug is plane of war which you won't be doing any time soon.

Argath is best in slot gear for heroic characters and also you can easily farm HoT grounds if you get your flags from feerrott too. Grounds takes literally takes 5min tops, you can zone in and run past the trash before it even spawns and get to a safe spot near the boss. Feerrott is a bit harder and you'll need multiple tanks. It's probably easier to script feerrott than it is to box it, boxing it and keeping tanks up/in all pyramids was tough

If you got a group of friends together and did ALL of NToV Vulak drops the best level 95 gear - and some of it has clickies. I think the robe has a mana clicky on it, not sure if it's still relevant though. There's 0 chance you're killing vulak with 18 though. I mean, maybe you could prove me wrong but... it would be a tough encounter. Vyemm is a real bitch too.

There is a trick to fight vulak without killing all the other dragons in the zone, it requires you to pull him and do some Feign Death shit. I don't know how to do it but I have seen it done before. I try to avoid doing "cheese" stuff like this when I raid so I am fairly ignorant to how it's done.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, most of the raids you'd be doing to pass the time in all honesty - I can't see very many of them giving you loot worth using unless you're on FV. Then at least you could sell a majority of the items and buy loot worth using =P

 

[Birdman]

you can very easily do...

Argath
Sarith
Beast's Domain

But what about HoT? you cannot request any raids unless you have beaten ferrott raid, and that raid is very difficult?

 

[LurkMcGurk]

you can very easily do...

Argath
Sarith
Beast's Domain

But what about HoT? you cannot request any raids unless you have beaten ferrott raid, and that raid is very difficult?

I mentioned it in another post - yea HoT is also doable but the first raid is kinda tricky. You need to have multiple tanks and tank mobs in different pyramids if i recall correctly.

I didn't do much of HoT except the first raid, House of Thule once or twice (the timed raid) and I used to farm Grounds fairly regularly since it was so easy

 

[Razkle]

just about any raid is doable as long as you take the time and learn EVENTS and how to program them, no I will not share my events with you, we use them when we raid and they work. But I have a lot of events that are super secret that I am just not risking DBG fucking with, just trust me, if the game has a warning or "event" then you can use events to counter it... think about it...

a perfect example is when the DRAGON glares at you emote, your toon faces away from him.... events can do that!

 

[Razkle]

https://www.redguides.com/community/threads/24763-MQ2Events

 

[Sum1]

I mentioned it in another post - yea HoT is also doable but the first raid is kinda tricky. You need to have multiple tanks and tank mobs in different pyramids if i recall correctly.

I didn't do much of HoT except the first raid, House of Thule once or twice (the timed raid) and I used to farm Grounds fairly regularly since it was so easy

Oh yea.... I forgot about that raid.... that one sucked!

 

[LurkMcGurk]

just about any raid is doable as long as you take the time and learn EVENTS and how to program them, no I will not share my events with you, we use them when we raid and they work. But I have a lot of events that are super secret that I am just not risking DBG fucking with, just trust me, if the game has a warning or "event" then you can use events to counter it... think about it...

a perfect example is when the DRAGON glares at you emote, your toon faces away from him.... events can do that!

I would surely hope you can make MQ2 work well for raids that have emotes and announce what is about to happen!

I'm more curious about the more difficult raids with a lot going on at one time. You have raids like Chapterhouse that even force some people to become shades and fight off enemies; I would be surprised to hear if events like that can be scripted. Erudin Burning would be another 'lot going on' raid that I could see being difficult to script. Another would be Valley of Lunanyn in VoA - I would be interested to know if you can script the item turn ins/dropping the guards you need.

Argath would be another I would be interested in hearing about. Moving both the items to drop on the boss at the same time, I would be curious if that activity could be scripted. Bixie 1 in CoTF would be another difficult raid to script I feel considering it has a lot of kiting in close quarters.



There's a few raids like this that you have to beat at least once in order to get flags and the MQ2/EQBC dependant users that I know of who box their own raids were always unable to complete some of the specific raids required. They were usually the raids that required more reactionary playing than preparation. If that makes sense. I don't think I would be hugely surprised if it turns out you could script every raid in the game given enough time and patience, however, I could see some raids taking weeks of trial and error as you try to work out all the kinks in the scripts.

 

[Zero0003]

I figured I'd chime in on this since Sum1 was pretty much pointing me out about the Fear raid for maestro.

Yes I box fear and do it as a service. I have about 29 toons that are pretty much fully raid gear with hate and fear gear that i'm able to do it with. Yes it requires a lot of time to set it up and get to macros working right for events and triggers for spells and when to cast it or to switch DPS to another mob. I spent almost a month planning it out for macros.

If people are interested I can do a fear run for $100 and you get all the loot that drops.

 

[Sum1]

I figured I'd chime in on this since Sum1 was pretty much pointing me out about the Fear raid for maestro.

Yes I box fear and do it as a service. I have about 29 toons that are pretty much fully raid gear with hate and fear gear that i'm able to do it with. Yes it requires a lot of time to set it up and get to macros working right for events and triggers for spells and when to cast it or to switch DPS to another mob. I spent almost a month planning it out for macros.

If people are interested I can do a fear run for $100 and you get all the loot that drops.

I didn't mean it to be negative at all, just simply that there were people doing TBM raids with a good amount of raid geared toons by using custom scripts.

 

[Zero0003]

no worries. =)

 

[Tone]

I've been trying to box maestro. Splash cures are the issue. I control from a paladin and use audio alerts and it's hit and miss. Haven't been successful yet. I also haven't tried since last summer.


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[Sum1]

I'm going to try to box the HH Naggy raid (Naggy and the 4 aspects) some soon for the bard clicky. From what I read the mobs don't hit terribly hard, and there are a few AEs and emotes I need to watch out for, but nothing that I don't think I can heal/battle rez through.

 

[Zero0003]

I've been boxing that but here is a few tips when you get up to that point.

Use EQBC for clicking the items. I have to place my toons ahead of time in the spots and then use eqbc on my main toon tanking naggy and 1 click they all are casting the item click when it is time.

 

[Sum1]

I've been boxing that but here is a few tips when you get up to that point.

Use EQBC for clicking the items. I have to place my toons ahead of time in the spots and then use eqbc on my main toon tanking naggy and 1 click they all are casting the item click when it is time.

Yea, I was planning on setting up a /bct //casting "name of item" for each of the four clickers. I also considered finding the /loc for the auras that spawn, and then having the four designated looters just /bct //moveto loc when they needed to be ready to click.

Do you just cure off the progressive DoT?

I was also going to set my warrior on naggy while I run the SK (as main assist). I just need to get better syntax for having the bots switch targets because it always seems like a pain in the dick to get that to work properly.

 

[Zero0003]

Depends. Every boxer has their way on switching targets.

I personally just have a key to clear target so /keypress esc and have target whatever I want them to kill and press my bots kill key which sticks to that target and attacks it. As long as your tank has aggro on naggy and ganks it back anytime you need you should be fine.

 

[nookiecookie]

Tower raids (mindblight, trophy room, stasis) are groupable and the hard version can drop ancestral memories 3 clickies.

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[nookiecookie]

Only need to have a group of 6, not sure if the person clicking the door needs to have the Tower Key or not.

 

[nookiecookie]

This weekend I did the first 5 events of Convorteum and all of Crystallos with 2 groups. In addition I did FC2 raid as well. Looking at HoT raids next. I was close a year and half ago on Tick Took but should be able to do it now.

The Macs/plugins used were kissassist.mac for dps/shaman, autocleric.mac, autobard.mac, autowarrior.mac, bot40.mac, eoknuke.mac and mq2bot. I used mq2bot for Crystallos as it was was faster than Macs for moving though trash.

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[nookiecookie]

This is awesome, thanks for the information! I'm finishing up my Crystollos flag. Did the giant minotaur raid yesterda expecting it to take some time, engaged named, got adds, switched targets to the adds, couldn't find named....he apparently reposted himself to death on my sword and popped chest. Amazing how wicked our characters are these days.

No problem, you may want to check if you need Crystallos flag or not. My toons not flagged although the too requesting is flagged. Daybreak removed some requirements from old raids not sure if requesting them was one of them.

If you still need flag, the MMM raids are tough to box.

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