Question - Buffing Order

[OldGuard]

I run a 6 man team. My main is a Warrior, and he is constant. The other five toons all have various personnas so I cna mix and match my group as needed. One set of personnas is used to buff the tank and group. All these chars are max (130) level/max AA with most having Rank II spells. My question is what order to invoke them to maximize HP and AC as primary gains and offensive additions second. These are the toons I have available:

1) Enchanter
2) Cleric
3) Shaman
4) Ranger
5) Druid
6) Beastlord
7) Mage
8) Necro

I am wondering, if there are Shaman spells I should refuse in order to get a better Druid line, for instance. Or, load Druid first, then Shaman, etc. I notice that sometimes I'm at 890K HP and others I'm at 1.2M HP. The onlly thing that varies is what buffs I have based on the order they were applied.

 

[Sic]

I run a 6 man team. My main is a Warrior, and he is constant. The other five toons all have various personnas so I cna mix and match my group as needed. One set of personnas is used to buff the tank and group. All these chars are max (130) level/max AA with most having Rank II spells. My question is what order to invoke them to maximize HP and AC as primary gains and offensive additions second. These are the toons I have available:

1) Enchanter
2) Cleric
3) Shaman
4) Ranger
5) Druid
6) Beastlord
7) Mage
8) Necro

I am wondering, if there are Shaman spells I should refuse in order to get a better Druid line, for instance. Or, load Druid first, then Shaman, etc. I notice that sometimes I'm at 890K HP and others I'm at 1.2M HP. The onlly thing that varies is what buffs I have based on the order they were applied.

i don't really understand your question.

this sounds like it should be a "general eq question" rather than a "sic, would you please explain how all of eq works because of i posted in the cwtn section"

I'm moving this out of the cwtn class section

I run a single healer with all my groups (non-raid ofc)

war is fine with either shaman or cleric - but if you use shaman/druid you should use the growth line (crusaders get a self version that warriors dont)

I personally prefer bards over enchanters if for nothing more than the ease of selo double-invis --- who knows what dps/adps balance will shake out to being after january

war, shm, clr, enc, bst, mag is "safe" and overkill on health/ac

I don't think it is a particularly sparkling group - but you asked for health/ac

 

[OldGuard]

I was asking in cwtn because they all use those plugins and I was wondering how cwtn applied buffs per class. Like I stated I’m looking to maximize certain settings and I have noticed that the order I swap in and out personas changes, for example, my hp. So, being fresh without buffs, and based on the buff lines cwtn automatically applies, should I load shaman and apply shaman buffs first, or Druid or beast lord. I know how the game works and this is not a general buff me question. I was asking what cwtn uses and how I can do something simple like getting the order of the buffs correct for a 10% increase, which is the variance I have seen when using cwtn chars to do my buff and not controlling order of application. Perhaps I could have stated it better.

 

[Sic]

I was asking in cwtn because they all use those plugins and I was wondering how cwtn applied buffs per class. Like I stated I’m looking to maximize certain settings and I have noticed that the order I swap in and out personas changes, for example, my hp. So, being fresh without buffs, and based on the buff lines cwtn automatically applies, should I load shaman and apply shaman buffs first, or Druid or beast lord. I know how the game works and this is not a general buff me question. I was asking what cwtn uses and how I can do something simple like getting the order of the buffs correct for a 10% increase, which is the variance I have seen when using cwtn chars to do my buff and not controlling order of application. Perhaps I could have stated it better.

there's nothing that says "this is what classes are in my group so i will do xyz because someone else will do abc" - we (cwtn plugins) actually go out of our way to try and not assume what another character in your group is/should be doing.

We are always going to apply our buffs assuming they stack and you don't have them blocked - the order doesn't matter.

where you get into what does matter is eq stuff - like using symbol line + druid buff, or brells for example

 

[fakename]

your question is basically how does buff stacking work. you can see how it works by meming the spell from an empty spell gem. shieldings dont stack type two dont stack aego does not stack with type one or symbol.

shm stacks with all non self buffs. caster shielding and clr self buff for mana regen and hp dont stack. you still want to cast shm buff because it puts sta on everyone as well even if the focus of x part doesnt stack. just block focus on the clr / casters if you want them self buffing

aego doesnt stack with druid but symbols does. idk about you but i use aego because its 1 buff slot vs 3 and the incredibly minor gain i get from ac and mana regen by having druid skin clr symbol and clr ac is not worth not getting adps or a proc or something because my buff window was full.

bst rng and pal are all pick one.

there are no stacking issues on enc but if you do have it on you can remove the haste bst and shm give you. bst giving their pet haste also hastes the group and shm giving you hp also hastes the group. the %'s are all the same but enc has added benefits.

personally i think youre putting to much emphasis on buffs. dont get me wrong their good but having my tanks clr merc aego the group and the shm having his merc aego the shm then having the shm buff the group vs having full raid buffs the kills per hour in a grind session difference is like 10. you can kill 20 mobs faster then it takes you to gate persona buff everyone then campfire back.

 

[vx2s]

This might be outdated (2014), but I think, for the most part, it still applies. It gives you a general idea of what buffs to apply for each class.
I've used it to determine which buffs I should have depending on what classes are available, which I think is a similar problem to what you are describing.

Raid Buffs - Hercules Edition

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