Leveling - Biggest Achievement of EQ career ever-Mearatas Win by 6!

[KingArthur]

Mearatas raid defeated by 6 real people!!! Hard AF! Countless efforts put in macros\events\attempts!
Thanks to my fellas! A truly elite game! Enuff Said!!

 

[MrPatate]

Congratulation. Must have been a lot of work

 

[MrPatate]

how many toons total? and what lvl?

 

[KingArthur]

54, all 115. We beat TOV like one month ago. Though Mearatas is known as hardest raid in the past 10 years, it’s still a roadblock to us till TONITE!!

Woot, words just could not describe how exciting when we put UEE into dust! Especially when his hp came to 0% the noise we made could rip off the ceiling of the building!!

 

[Sic]

Fantastic! You guys rock (im a little envious)

 

[KingArthur]

Thanks Sic, I’ve learned knowledge from you. Mixing those with my own skills/wisdom, we built a badass macro system for raids!

 

[MrPatate]

Impressive. Even at 115 with all the mechanics of that raid and such. You guys deserve a statue for that :P

 

[TVCChiver]

54, all 115. We beat TOV like one month ago. Though Mearatas is known as hardest raid in the past 10 years, it’s still a roadblock to us till TONITE!!

Woot, words just could not describe how exciting when we put UEE into dust! Especially when his hp came to 0% the noise we made could rip off the ceiling of the building!!

Wait a second, there's 6 if yall who box full raids and have beat current content? I'm super jealous lol

 

[KingArthur]

Wait a second, there's 6 if yall who box full raids and have beat current content? I'm super jealous lol

Yes we did sir ! /salute

 

[Yama]

Well done KA! This sounds amazing to be able to Anything like this

 

[TVCChiver]

Yes we did sir ! /salute

That's fucking amazing! Awesome job!

 

[Hylander]

Massive Kudos on that. Wow, something is only impossible until someone does it. Far out Brussel Sprout!

So,
1) in general each person is boxing 6 with a couple of you are boxing 12 characters ?
2) hidden in there is a second gem - All ToV is down. Is ToFS1 not similarly problematic?
3) do you use a lot of custom scripting? I’ve seen you post some .inc for inclusion into Kiss for emote compliance. We use MQ2Events also, and are pondering a shared EQBC server, but otherwise VV and Chat’s class plugins for us.

We box raids with 7-8 people, are currently stumped by Velks and beginning to work through the Avatar mechanics (after downing Vindi a couple of weeks ago). Haven’t even requested ToFS ...

 

[blackmarble]

Impressive.

 

[BlankStare]

There's folks on FV doing 54-box raids to sell loot/nuggets/currency =p
Or, if it's not 1 54-box player, then it's like 2 or 3 players tops, to split out that load. MQ2 is absolutely crazy, and I'm unsure EQ would have survived without it.

 

[KingArthur]

Massive Kudos on that. Wow, something is only impossible until someone does it. Far out Brussel Sprout!

So,
1) in general each person is boxing 6 with a couple of you are boxing 12 characters ?
2) hidden in there is a second gem - All ToV is down. Is ToFS1 not similarly problematic?
3) do you use a lot of custom scripting? I’ve seen you post some .inc for inclusion into Kiss for emote compliance. We use MQ2Events also, and are pondering a shared EQBC server, but otherwise VV and Chat’s class plugins for us.

We box raids with 7-8 people, are currently stumped by Velks and beginning to work through the Avatar mechanics (after downing Vindi a couple of weeks ago). Haven’t even requested ToFS ...

I normally box 14-22 when others box 6-8. Since I invented my scripts and I taught my crew how to use it and dig the full potential of it, I tend to box every core classes so I can debug them.

So in other words, I used to box 44-48 back to ROS era when my fellas learning it, and we’ve been doing this from 2 years ago. Our style and macro has developed/involved and adjusted a lot during events.

Yes, beat any current raids will need custom scripts and events though you have multiple ways to do it. None of us has alts in other Top end guilds so strategy sometimes will be a problem. (freelance’s progress was too slow to use, I basically dig those from videos/forums and our attempts logs- shout out to several users here for their sharing!)

And then you will need adjust your automatic system for events. I dunno if Kiss could do the job since we don’t use it but I do use Chat’s zerk plugin (manual mod with all other controlled by my macro, I’ve bugged Chat a lot for adding some “weird” toggles lol). Anyway, I do have a massive events .inc file for any events from TBM, and also ALOT subs you will need to check every pulse since some wiping mechanism is so strong, you need maximize your robust on it and still guarantee your toons’ reaction speed.

Another problem would be debugging. It’s painful to debugging your macros for raids. A full wipe takes around 20mins to recovery, and you will need to push the progress to a certain point to see the mechanism to test your scripting corresponding right or not.

And back to the specific raids, TOFS1 is arguably the hardest in TOV ( Tofs 2 and VL are also hard for boxing). You prolly need a plugin from Dewey to help you ice sliding. VL will be a lot easier if you have strong range dps ( unlike us, we boxing a very melee heavy dps roster so I have to invent a range mode for most of our melee dps), since your melee dps will struggle on survival due to the massive ae rampage. Well, Tofs 2 was a nightmare to code since the “Choose Side” buff didn’t have any emotes when it fades and you don't want to hang too many toons.

To be honestly, we’ve considered to xfer to FV. The advantages is pretty obvious, we can allocate all the resources easily and beef-up our tanks quicker. We built our roster from ROS group gear around 2-3 elite tanks, and even now we still have a lots toons wearing several slots with TOV group gears since our TOV farming was not long! ( we almost right get back to Mearatas after we beat TOV, desire to conquer that mofo is what driving us!) But we choose to stay since we lazy to move

I would say POF and GD is easiest in TBL and TOV respectively for those concerns. Now say hello to TOV fully farming season! (maybe will finish those challenge achievements in TBL, only FF/Empyr 1/Esianti left iirc).

 

[Hylander]

There's folks on FV doing 54-box raids to sell loot/nuggets/currency =p
Or, if it's not 1 54-box player, then it's like 2 or 3 players tops, to split out that load. MQ2 is absolutely crazy, and I'm unsure EQ would have survived without it.

hmm ... if that is indeed the case ... it'd be a case of 'ConfigurationQuest' or 'EverCode' i suspect. And a crapton of background work ... this might be the tip, but man, there is a lot of iceberg underneath. However good MQ2 and the resources here are, there are situations that are VERY difficult to account for, much less be 1 - 2 tick timely. Challenges we've encountered include

1) Mesh gaps causing people to get stuck on geometry
2) stick issues where stick is not Mesh aware causing one to facebutt walls and fall into holes
3) stick issues with snaproll, dynamic stick changes (pin side for example)
4) conducting range DPS ... like the bowing + jolting kicks distance thingy for rangers but worse
5) reliable target switching
6) DPS balancing
7) situational sacrifice
8) splitting objectives (upstairs / downstairs Damsel of Decay in TBM, Plain of Smoke in TBL)
9) snare mechanics
10) non-aggro mobs (dilapidated mechanics / custodian)
11) DPS checks ... when box team DPS is 30/50% of ROI DPS.
12) posted strats and videos are not generally cut and paste, box strategy is necessarily different from 54 sentient human strategy.

In general, raid content requires raid gear ... Gary Grouper, freshly minted 115 in group gear, even with all AA, is still a paper soldier.

That KingArthur and his round table have solutioned for all this and more is massively impressive.

 

[toots]

Awesome work!

 

[TVCChiver]

Hmm so @KingArthur I see you mentioned a plugin that helps you with sliding on ice lol. Is there a plugin that is available to purchase here on the site, or basically a very select few from Dewey get it? I would assume the latter but never know.

 

[Redfrog]

@KingArthur To you and your teammates, /Salute !!! I have never tried raiding yet with VV but I am happy to hear that something many of us have envisioned is very possible, which is the full enjoyment of this game to do the raiding as well as multibox grouping.

 

[Sum1]

I normally box 14-22 when others box 6-8. Since I invented my scripts and I taught my crew how to use it and dig the full potential of it, I tend to box every core classes so I can debug them.

So in other words, I used to box 44-48 back to ROS era when my fellas learning it, and we’ve been doing this from 2 years ago. Our style and macro has developed/involved and adjusted a lot during events.

Yes, beat any current raids will need custom scripts and events though you have multiple ways to do it. None of us has alts in other Top end guilds so strategy sometimes will be a problem. (freelance’s progress was too slow to use, I basically dig those from videos/forums and our attempts logs- shout out to several users here for their sharing!)

And then you will need adjust your automatic system for events. I dunno if Kiss could do the job since we don’t use it but I do use Chat’s zerk plugin (manual mod with all other controlled by my macro, I’ve bugged Chat a lot for adding some “weird” toggles lol). Anyway, I do have a massive events .inc file for any events from TBM, and also some subs you will need to check every pulse since some wiping mechanism is so strong, you need maximize your robust on it and still guarantee your toons’ reaction speed.

Another problem would be debugging. It’s painful to debugging your macros for raids. A full wipe takes around 20mins to recovery, and you will need to push the progress to a certain point to see the mechanism to test your scripting corresponding right or not.

And back to the specific raids, TOFS1 is arguably the hardest in TOV ( Tofs 2 and VL also hard for boxing). You prolly need a plugin from Dewey to help you ice sliding. VL will be a lot easier if you have strong range dps ( unlike us, we boxing a very melee heavy dps roster so I have to invent a range mode for most of our melee dps), since your melee dps will struggle on survival due the massive ae rampage. Well, Tofs 2 was a nightmare to code since the “Choose Side” buff didn’t have any emotes when it fades.

To be honestly, we’ve considered to xfer to FV. The advantages is pretty obvious, we can allocate all the resources easily and beef-up our tanks quicker. We built our roster from ROS group gear around 2-3 elite tanks, and even now we still have a lots toons wearing several slots with TOV group gears since our TOV farming was not long! ( we almost right get back to Mearatas after we beat TOV, desire to conquer that mofo is what driving us!) But we choose to stay since we lazy to move

I would say POF and GD is easiest in TBL and TOV respectively for those concerns. Now say hello to TOV fully farming season! (maybe will finish those challenge achievements in TBL, only FF/Empyr 1/Esianti left iirc).

for ToFS #2, just ignore the mechanism for taking sides ... don’t hail the dude ... just burn, burn, burn.

 

[KingArthur]

for ToFS #2, just ignore the mechanism for taking sides ... don’t hail the dude ... just burn, burn, burn.

Out of curiosity, how come that be possible? Nosja already gives our tank chain a pain in the ass since not everyone in the crew is experienced real people tank plus that will spawn A LOT of dancers? (Though they hit like a joke but still drag people out of combat thus waste of dps).

And if bad RNG happens, the bride/groom still need the other one dropped to 25% otherwise hp locked. I could not think ignore the hail mechanism will lead to victory.

With all that being said, we burn from the start to the end for sure. Our dps can reach 20-25Mil under 120s and sustained 10-15Mil depends on the event. (80% of ROI? from the video parse their member posted).

The differences is I wrote a kinda “perfect” sub for people auto picking side to avoid DT by the adds and still able to maintain dps the correct mobs, and when the debuff fade then back to normal mode (assist ma to spank) etc.

 

[Sum1]

Out of curiosity, how come that be possible? Nosja already gives our tank chain a pain in the ass since not everyone in the crew is experienced real people tank plus that will spawn A LOT of dancers? (Though they hit like a joke but still drag people out of combat thus waste of dps).

And if bad RNG happens, the bride/groom still need the other one dropped to 25% otherwise hp locked. I could not think ignore the hail mechanism will lead to victory.

With all that being said, we burn from the start to the end for sure. Our dps can reach 20-25Mil under 120s and sustained 10-15Mil depends on the event. (80% of ROI? from the video parse their member posted).

The differences is I wrote a kinda “perfect” sub for people auto picking side to avoid DT by the adds and still able to maintain dps the correct mobs, and when the debuff fade then back to normal mode (assist ma to spank) etc.

If you have the dps to stay ahead of dancers, the event becomes trivial. It does get a bit dicey when you get 6 dancers up, but the only times we wipe is when some random fuckall ae goes off that kills like 3/4 of the raid at once. That only happens once in a while, though, and only at the very beginning of the event.

 

[deathlock]

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Mearatas raid defeated by 6 real people!!! Hard AF! Countless efforts put in macros\events\attempts!
Thanks to my fellas! A truly elite game! Enuff Said!!

Where do I sign up!

 

[q8reflex]

Grats KingArthur and well done.

 

[jonnygymnic]

impressive, i initially read that as 6 box beat mearatas. I was wondering how the fuck!

 

[Ceci0724]

Impressive...please share more your fun and joy, thats really inspiring and motivate us!!

And of course please takes my kneel here...

/kneel


Edit to added this one, which i just saw again in the forum...
***If you can do it in Everquest, you can do it with macro*** really impressive, wow!

 

[Jax]

So for the neophytes like myself, what is the big deal here? Crazy mechanics for the raid etc?

EDIT: NEVER MIND! I did some reading. VERY cool.

 

[B_I_G__D_A_D_D_Y]

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Mearatas raid defeated by 6 real people!!! Hard AF! Countless efforts put in macros\events\attempts!
Thanks to my fellas! A truly elite game! Enuff Said!!

Wow! Having beat this event as a raider I know this is one hell of an achievement! Congrats to you and your crew!!!

 

[vsab]

Amazing, grats.

 

[azuresme]

also thanks @jimbob 's afnuke for our casters. It is not just for wiz!

 

[jimbob]

also thanks @jimbob 's afnuke for our casters. It is not just for wiz!

Thanks! You are correct. MQ2AFNUKE will play a large variety of casters. It is highly optimized for high end raid quality DPS for Wizards. Other classes are pretty good too.

Mearatas is quite an achievement. It was much harder pre-nerf, but it is still the most difficult raid in more current content.

So, congratulations on your achievement! It's no easy task for sure.

 

[wymranar]

Whoso Pulleth Out the Sword of Mearatas, is Rightwise King Born of All EQ!

 

[DadBod]

This is an amazing feat!

Truly inspiring.

If I was to start slowly learning to raid by myself, for example with 3-4 groups of 115, 30k AA, ToV group gear, would EoK T1 raids be a realistic option for learning, or would I have to go further back? (I have raided those normally). (I realize EoK progression would be a time sink... so more realistically I would spend a year preparing, and then go for RoS T1 when new expansion(s) have dropped).

 

[KingArthur]

This is an amazing feat!

Truly inspiring.

If I was to start slowly learning to raid by myself, for example with 3-4 groups of 115, 30k AA, ToV group gear, would EoK T1 raids be a realistic option for learning, or would I have to go further back? (I have raided those normally). (I realize EoK progression would be a time sink... so more realistically I would spend a year preparing, and then go for RoS T1 when new expansion(s) have dropped).

I believe that starting with Droga among EOK raids is a good idea, and it's a good exercise for you to starting heavy box raid too. You will need to kill the trashes and high priest in 5mins, so that's a first check on your dps and moving.

Then don't forget to LEVITATION (if all your toons have tov group gear above, you can neglect the blood pool's effect otherwise you need to levi), it has various emotes too. So you can test your emotes reaction and excution. Nowdays it's gonna be trivial due to your dps should be increased a TON compared to EOK era. Though normal strategy is still do sustained till 40% ish, then test your kiting mechanism to those golem. Then burn the boss out. Simple and straight. Oh there is 2? waves of blue-con high priest goblin adds pop, so you can test your adds reaction system.

Anyway, Lceanium is much harder than Droga for heavy box especially if you don't have chain stun classes. Chardok Prince is actually the easiest in the whole expac though! As long as you can write a script to auto-encode the puzzle then get your click fire toon to light the torch AUTOMACTICALLY, then all you need is to dps the prince and the alchemists, nothing speical. Queen and Atrebe is damn hard then. We can discuss more when you make it there.

 

[nizadar]

where is the plugin that you use to not slide on ice only one i can find doesnt work on RG

 

[Sum1]

where is the plugin that you use to not slide on ice only one i can find doesnt work on RG

There isn't one on RG.

 

[Sic]

There isn't one on RG.

well I spoke with dewey today, and gonna get with redbot and hopefully get his mq2ice added (mq2ice is a non-active hack that just toggles run/walk/nav/moveutil and does keypresses to help you stop sliding)

 

[Sum1]

well I spoke with dewey today, and gonna get with redbot and hopefully get his mq2ice added (mq2ice is a non-active hack that just toggles run/walk/nav/moveutil and does keypresses to help you stop sliding)

Thanks! That'll be interesting to mess with.

 

[freeferli]

Is there a list of available plugins that are not in VV by default?

 

[Sic]

Is there a list of available plugins that are not in VV by default?

well - we have a list of what we have in VV lol - much easier to say what we have, rather than what we don't have as there are plenty of plugins that are either exclusive to one person/place or another - or are just private.