Question - are emergency heals being used by ka as group or single target heals

[timmy]

shaman intervention line and druid survival line are all listed as group heals (target: group). but when ka uses these spells, is it treating them as group heal and firing them based on avg group health percentage or single target? i'm also curious about cleric arb aa and even their 2.0 since one is an aa and one an item.

 

[saar]

you have to use them with a condition to get them to fire lower, default kiss looks at it as a group heal and based on your % set for it to heal is what it will fire. I.E. Harmony of Soul|80 will use Harmony of soul at group average of 80%.

 

[timmy]

i don't imagine anyone actually uses those spells as a group heal. what kind of conditions are available to use those emergency heals, as well as the cle aa and 2.0, for single target? i've scanned a lot of ini and i've seen a cle ini use the shield with a |ME tag which i guess would save the cle. if you applied the |MA tag to an intervention or survival and then used a condition like Cond2=${Group.MainAssist.PctHPs}<40 do you suspect it would work as an emergency single target heal? MA only, i guess.

if you wanted it for the whole group? would you need something complicated like:

Cond99=(${Group.Member[1].PctHPs} < 50 || ${Group.Member[2].PctHPs} < 50 || ${Group.Member[3].PctHPs} < 50 || ${Group.Member[4].PctHPs} < 50 || ${Group.Member [5].PctHPs} < 50 || ${Me.PctHPs} < 50)

i stole that from a bl ini that was checking for endurance to fire reflexive. i'm not sure the syntax is correct for what i am asking, just throwing it up as an example. if i used the condition above, would it force the healer to target each individual toon to check their hp? and then wouldn't i have to set the hp high which would only force ka to check each toon constantly? Heals3=Survival of the Auspicious|99|Cond99 for example. i feel like my druid would be cycling targets like a crazy person.

or am i making this too complicated?

 

[saar]

that still is only checking a single toon for near critical, can try

Con99=(${Group.Injured[50]} >= 2 || ${Group.Injured[60] >= 3)

untested. Injured is just seeing how many in the group are at or below that percentage

 

[timmy]

if ka is using shm intervention and dru survivals as group heals and firing them based off avg group hp, then i'd really appreciate some help setting proper conditions. i've tried the ideas saar and i were bouncing back and forth to no avail.

current shm and dru intervention/survival provide no healing if pc is above 65 percent health. but in a full group, if my math is correct, i'd need to set the heal at 94 (which would mean a single toon was at 64 percent) to get any healing. the percent for the heal to fire would almost have to be changed every time you had a group that differed in numbers from the one you had when you last set the percent. that seems clunky.

that is, unless i'm completely off base with how these work and that is always possible.

i don't know how other shaman and druid use these heals but for me they are oh shit heals, saving a single person who is near death or dying real damn fast. maybe i just need to adjust my playstyle and if someone offers that as a suggestion, i'm willing to listen, but please, explain to me how you set it up, how you expect it to work, and if you are happy with it. you can type a lot, i'll read it all, but don't use a lot of big words because i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. or if someone could provide me with working conditions to heal anyone who is below x percent and how to set that in the ini so that's it checked, i'd appreciate that too. i've spent far too much time on this and i'm just coming up empty at this point and i'm about ready to abandon them.

current shaman bp click is also a group heal with similar restraints as the intervention.

i guess this could even get into the cleric arb aa and shield. because of the balance mechanics with those, i know it's not the same thing, but i still use those as an emergency heal when playing cleric and not as a group heal. am i alone in this?

any help/talking/suggestions/walls of text would be appreciated.

 

[Rooster]

As above, just use the condition ${Group. Injured[45]}>=1 or why ever you're comfortable with

That was created specifically for these types of spell cond checks

Intervention spells are useless to wait for a group average, since if you get hit by an ae... Average can easily be 70's but the intervention will hit for lousy amount

 

[eqtrader74]

Despite being group heals, these emergency heals + Divine Arb/CLR Epic 2.0 are calculated as "single target" health for KA's Heal section. These cases are specifically coded into the single target part of the healing routine. KA also has the logic built in that the heal target must be in the healers group for them to work.

Standard group heals are done by party's avg health.

So this will fire the Druid emergency group heal if any group member is at 30% health.

Heals9=Survival of the Auspicious|30

I think all item click heals are single target checks too, regardless of what the click does. I set my shammy's bp the same as the example above and that seems to work.