Do we all agree that if you afk kill in a zone and don't have afk settings your asking to be banned? I mean shit I got suspended once with no afk settings and as soon as I did I set up mine with my wizard and with basic afk when someone approaches I play on a few servers on and off and ive noticed a lot more Macroquesters, Love it. love seein people use it cause this program is amazing worth every penny however What would you do if someone invades your camp and parks right aroud corner from you and does AFK as well? and I only been at camp for 3 hours. and it isn't a camp that has named or anything just basic low lvl mobs
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Question - AFK killin (1 Viewer)
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No AFK tools ? I'll petition you myself, it draws a lot of bad attention to MQ2 and if you do it I have no issues with reporting you. That said, I've been AFK exping since 2006, and have been banned about 4 times. AFK TOOLS is a must if you want to AFK. If you find someone AFKing in your spot? talk to them... if they continue and are AFK killing still... petition and have them banned. If they are going to be stupid they deserve it.
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P.S. if someone else is noticing your "good" spot... the spot is no longer "good"
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P.S. if someone else is noticing your "good" spot... the spot is no longer "good"
I personally find this line of reasoning idiotic ... but we are all entitled to our opinions.
I don't use Afk tools. I don't kill any named and I don't bother anyone. The fact you're going to petition me because of that makes you a dick. I don't use it because if I try to zone my group at once they'll crash and it takes a good 15minutes to log them back in.
If Daybreak wanted to stop MacroQuesters it wouldn't be hard. They really aren't enforcing until you get a petition. If you're gonna petition you're just being hypocritical. If they're in your spot then train them and send them a message that isn't douchey.
All good points, but the reason why I do it is because I want MQ2 to stay around. Drawing negative attention by AFK killing IN FRONT OF PEOPLE is what will get MQ2 banned. Don't take it personally, if you find me AFK killing record me, and have me banned.
I'm sorry, but do you realize how many people use MacroQuest?
Daybreak does.
This is a business for them. They're not 'lazy' if they wanted us banned we'd be done with. It has been argued time and time again. They don't want you in a zone afk killing where people are actively playing (i.e. the new expansions) or farming named that people are required to farm as well (i.e. the new expansions). Your "heroism" isn't doing anything but banning other users.
How often do you even get tells at your camp? I set up for 2 years in The Grounds on the far east wall and received 3 tells for a group in 2 years.
3... and 1 of those the person was in my guild & in PoK.
Daybreak does.
This is a business for them. They're not 'lazy' if they wanted us banned we'd be done with. It has been argued time and time again. They don't want you in a zone afk killing where people are actively playing (i.e. the new expansions) or farming named that people are required to farm as well (i.e. the new expansions). Your "heroism" isn't doing anything but banning other users.
How often do you even get tells at your camp? I set up for 2 years in The Grounds on the far east wall and received 3 tells for a group in 2 years.
3... and 1 of those the person was in my guild & in PoK.
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Doesn't petitioning other that use it to get them banned bring on that unwanted attention to dbg cause them to think its a problem? I think doing so would do just the opposite of what you are saying. Send them a message but hell with reporting them an move on.
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If someone parked at my camp that also uses MQ2 i would try and talk to them about it. As far as Daybreak and Mq2 goes, I agree we would all be banned already if they wanted us to be.
I look at it like this....
Daybreak only cares if it would cost them money/time - Right now, Mq2 doesn't cost them money, it makes them money. However, as Noobhaxxor said, if a lot of negative light is shined on the program it will cost them time/money as the community would be in an uproar.
Counter argument to this though, when you report users for using MQ2 - you're costing daybreak support/GM time which pisses them off. You could shine a giant spot light on MQ2 and daybreak wouldn't care but if so many people start getting reported that they're flooded with reports and their GMs can't do anything but ban people and scratch their ass - daybreak is gonna get pissed off. Submitting a player report about an MQer (imho) is the worst possible thing you can do because it costs Daybreak both things they don't want to lose (Money to pay the GM whose investigating the guy you reported AND Time of that GM to follow through with your report). For those reasons, i am strongly against reporting other players ingame.
That said though, USE FUCKING AFK TOOLS. /posse off before you zone and/or take the Posse config folder out of your MQ2 directory and put it on your desktop or whatever for a few minutes as you move around/take your group places. I used to not use AFK tools because when i played I never went AFK. I may have not actually been playing, I may have been sitting at my desk playing Steam games with EQ on a second monitor/computer but I was never actually AFK. I still got suspended because I got reported/did it and other people saw me.
You can sit there and arrogantly think "I don't need afk tools because i do nothing wrong" which is fine, I thought the same thing. When you get suspended one day though, you're going to feel like a total fucking dumbass just like i did. If you don't use AFK tools all it takes is 1 weird person to find you that will stalk you forever and make it their life's mission to get you banned - http://www.redguides.com/community/showthread.php/45716-Training-afk-groups-on-FV
Things can happen that you do not and could not ever account for. If you're willing to jeopardize your accounts and fun by not using AFK tools since you think you know best, that's totally and 100% your call. But, of course, there's going to be NO ONE to blame but yourself when you do get banned for doing nothing wrong and not even being AFK all because you were blatant about it for too long.
I look at it like this....
Daybreak only cares if it would cost them money/time - Right now, Mq2 doesn't cost them money, it makes them money. However, as Noobhaxxor said, if a lot of negative light is shined on the program it will cost them time/money as the community would be in an uproar.
Counter argument to this though, when you report users for using MQ2 - you're costing daybreak support/GM time which pisses them off. You could shine a giant spot light on MQ2 and daybreak wouldn't care but if so many people start getting reported that they're flooded with reports and their GMs can't do anything but ban people and scratch their ass - daybreak is gonna get pissed off. Submitting a player report about an MQer (imho) is the worst possible thing you can do because it costs Daybreak both things they don't want to lose (Money to pay the GM whose investigating the guy you reported AND Time of that GM to follow through with your report). For those reasons, i am strongly against reporting other players ingame.
That said though, USE FUCKING AFK TOOLS. /posse off before you zone and/or take the Posse config folder out of your MQ2 directory and put it on your desktop or whatever for a few minutes as you move around/take your group places. I used to not use AFK tools because when i played I never went AFK. I may have not actually been playing, I may have been sitting at my desk playing Steam games with EQ on a second monitor/computer but I was never actually AFK. I still got suspended because I got reported/did it and other people saw me.
You can sit there and arrogantly think "I don't need afk tools because i do nothing wrong" which is fine, I thought the same thing. When you get suspended one day though, you're going to feel like a total fucking dumbass just like i did. If you don't use AFK tools all it takes is 1 weird person to find you that will stalk you forever and make it their life's mission to get you banned - http://www.redguides.com/community/showthread.php/45716-Training-afk-groups-on-FV
Things can happen that you do not and could not ever account for. If you're willing to jeopardize your accounts and fun by not using AFK tools since you think you know best, that's totally and 100% your call. But, of course, there's going to be NO ONE to blame but yourself when you do get banned for doing nothing wrong and not even being AFK all because you were blatant about it for too long.
BINGO!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!
I think the true solution here is to incorporate afk tools into kiss and not allow afk killing without it. Obviously, a macro writer can circumvent this, but are intelligent enough to leave it alone.
I have deliberately left my afk macros off these forums for the past 6 years because people doing stupid things.
After fixing up mq2warp and having some tard warp on top of my group during house of Thule xpac. There is just some things that need to be removed from public. Afk killing without gtfo is something that needs to be removed or at the very least make the barrier for entry harder.
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I have deliberately left my afk macros off these forums for the past 6 years because people doing stupid things.
After fixing up mq2warp and having some tard warp on top of my group during house of Thule xpac. There is just some things that need to be removed from public. Afk killing without gtfo is something that needs to be removed or at the very least make the barrier for entry harder.
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Lol, kiss is one macro. Many here have a dual membership with MMOBugs. The issue is you petitioning because someone's afk.
shit I didn't mean for everyone to go into an big ol issue here just wanted some opinions on how to go about it because no one has ever come up to me and /tell me for group no where or what not If I see someone else MQing in a spot I go to I send em a tell or if they don't have afk settings on I just basically send them a tell saying /tell **** hey man if you don't figure out afk settings youll be banned real quick. and 99% of time people get the memo
And that's the proper way. I macro in zones no one has business to farm. I pick camps there are no named at and invite level 80s to powerlevel them. I have experienced members here with a lot of boxes take the camps I have been at for months. A simple PM on RG fixed the issue easily. Petitioning because someone is afk and you feel that because you don't afk they shouldn't either is wrong in every way.
I don't think anyone cares about afk killing level 80s in some far off zone that no one is in. I was speaking directly to current content or high visibility areas that draw attention. Here is a list of crap I've seen that gives clarity around what I petition:
Things I recommend folks petition
-Brother's Island AFK killing with no GTFO/Afktools
-Warping/Ghost Kills
-Zone In Areas that are easily accessible and have high foot traffic (Shard's Landing, Brother's Island, Anything in TBM/EoK) and no GTFO/afktools
I'm not saying you can't AFK farm crap, like I said I've been doing it since 2006, but be smart about it. If not, don't come crying on the forums about you being stupid and not using GTFO/afktools. You might say thats hypocritical but it's not, since I fully expect a petition if I were to run an afk macro without ANY PLAYER DETECTION.
Again, I just wanted to clarify I only petition people being very stupid doing AFK groups in high traffic or current content without player detection. I'm not going to the grounds or argath and find you tucked in a corner somewhere and petition your group, that is just stupid. I'm still going to have a little fun with your group if you aren't using player detection though
My point: USE PLAYER DETECTION GTFO/AFK TOOLS IF YOU ARE GOING TO AFK FARM!!!!
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1) Better to lose the whole hand than it spread to the rest of the body
***Note: I remember how bad MQ2Warp got when it went mainstream, I care to never have another recurrence of that again.
2) Agreed
use some tools, you tool!
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Yes.
To add my own personal anecdote:
I have a particular zone I like, sometimes a dude without tools sets up in the path in a very public part of the zone. That guy puts me at risk, as most collector hunters/ questers would never encounter me, but this dicks group is the first thing they see. He makes my zone a liability by extension. I've witnessed random people watching him, and so on. After seeing the random non-mqer watching this dude, I brought a wave onto him to shut him down for the day so the guy can continue his hunting without exposure to this shit bird. Need to protect the shield!
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Yes.
To add my own personal anecdote:
I have a particular zone I like, sometimes a dude without tools sets up in the path in a very public part of the zone. That guy puts me at risk, as most collector hunters/ questers would never encounter me, but this dicks group is the first thing they see. He makes my zone a liability by extension. I've witnessed random people watching him, and so on. After seeing the random non-mqer watching this dude, I brought a wave onto him to shut him down for the day so the guy can continue his hunting without exposure to this shit bird. Need to protect the shield!
Right! Because if you don't use tools you gonna get banned because they're hunting those afk macro'ers. GRRRRR!! BARK BARK!! ...
you've had tools before, but also you'd avoid being hunted and/or banned
No, you wont. That's like saying I can't see you so you can't see me. Regardless the argument here was not to petition other users simply because they afk without using tools. Anyone who asks at all in a current expansion zone deserves a ban.
I just think the argument that I WILL PETITION you is silly. So what you have done is now guaranteed what might have happened. IE: draw attention to and have GM interaction because someone was using MQ2 whereas they may have happily AFK killed for years with no issue, but you have ensured that now is not the case..... I just don't get that reasoning for a community like this.
Bros before Hoes.
Hehe, I hear ya guys, it sucks being banned. I've been banned 4 times and it isn't fun. That said, I personally believe there has to be some level of accountability for using MQ2 improperly. If you cross that line (AFK Killin without Tools/GTFO) you need to be punished. I've seen what happens when there isn't any sort of accountability and it is very bad for our community and it is why I would petition someone doing something stupid with MQ2.
I'm not alone in this thinking, and you guys should be warned. I'm very forward about this, and i'm not a dick about it. I will send you a tell, and give you time to respond, but if no response after 5-10 minutes and you are truly afk doing something stupid... you are going to get the hammer.
I'm not alone in this thinking, and you guys should be warned. I'm very forward about this, and i'm not a dick about it. I will send you a tell, and give you time to respond, but if no response after 5-10 minutes and you are truly afk doing something stupid... you are going to get the hammer.
And because of that, you believe everyone should think the way you think and if they do not think that way you're going to punish them. Just mind your business.
I mean, seriously MacroQuest isn't a secret to Daybreak. It simply isn't, you PETITIONing is the reason they will be banned, NOT because they aren't using tools. I don't use tools, there's multiple reasons for it but the simple one is I don't want too. If YOU AFK macro, and YOU report others that AFK macro, because THEY don't think like you.
That's the problem. You're pointing them out to Daybreak. Do you even realize how much of the population uses MacroQuest?
For example, 2 years ago on Vox, everyone in the top two guilds (basically the only two guilds, probably 150people or so) used MacroQuest. They were encouraged and openly talked about it in general multiple times.
no bans.
they ban when you complain.
I mean, seriously MacroQuest isn't a secret to Daybreak. It simply isn't, you PETITIONing is the reason they will be banned, NOT because they aren't using tools. I don't use tools, there's multiple reasons for it but the simple one is I don't want too. If YOU AFK macro, and YOU report others that AFK macro, because THEY don't think like you.
That's the problem. You're pointing them out to Daybreak. Do you even realize how much of the population uses MacroQuest?
For example, 2 years ago on Vox, everyone in the top two guilds (basically the only two guilds, probably 150people or so) used MacroQuest. They were encouraged and openly talked about it in general multiple times.
no bans.
they ban when you complain.
I think you are mis-understanding me. I don't want MQ2 users banned, just idiots that run afk macros in front of people. Shit man, I've been on this scene for 11 years, seen and done all kinds of things in EQ using MQ2. Consequences for misuse of MQ2 are necessary.
Here is a list of things I have personally done, and think I should of been banned for (some I have been banned for)
-Crashing zones to pop names
-Ghost killing Raid mobs
-No delay usage on just about everything... (Hack effectively changes weapons to 0 delay)
-AFK Warp killing in PoP Hedge maze (why run to the next mob it takes too long)
-AFK Macroing in about every damn zone in this game
I don't do any of this crap anymore, except for afk groups with extreme player checks in place, but there has to be consequences for your actions and its a slippery slope... What you are saying is because MQ2 is part of the game you should be able to do anything with impunity and these are extreme examples of my rational, but you get the point. Again, I'm not advocating banning some guy boxing in some remote out of date zone, I'm advocating petitioning the AFK jackass doing it at the Zone In to a current expansion zone. That might seem like something small compared to my list, but it escalates from there, and MQ2 is an extremely powerful tool that can ruin this game if left unchecked. Not to dork out... "with great power, comes great responsibility" and if you are AFK botting without Player Checks... you are doing it wrong and deserve to be banned. I'm also not saying everyone needs to think this way, but some of us do think this way, and to be careful when AFK macroing.
If you really want to know the backstory of why I'd petition another MQ2 player "breaking the rules" here you go:
Back in 2006-2007 I helped maintain MQ2Warp and on Redguides I even released a how to guide to circumventing the code the MQ2 devs put in place to prevent its usage. My Title was even "Bane of the MQ2 Devs" for several years, and then fast forward a couple years. I was minding my business farming my named for a drop I was needing, and I had a guy with a full group warp right on top of a named as it popped... Burn it down and gate out. I was beyond pissed... SoE didn't do anything... and there I was, thinking WTF have I done. I had looked the other way too many times... and I was part of the problem with the MQ2 community. I swore that I would change that, and I have since not used any active hacks and have gone out of my way to make sure folks have little to no exposure to the fact someone is using MQ2. Anything that violates that, I oppose vehemently.
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Your story reminds me of those religious wackos from Game of Thrones who imposed their will on others because they had someone screw them at some point in their past. lol, good times.
I understand the reasoning, to a point, but unless said person is bothering you or otherwise being an asshat, why bother? When I did deadhills I had two spots I routinely put groups. I woke up once, logged in, and found that someone had set up a group like 100 units away from me. It wasn't directly impacting me, but it irked me because of how close he was. What did I do? Nothing. In fact, I went and buffed his group, and then went back to my spot and killed. We didn't fuck with each other, and all was well in the world.
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How to start an arguement online
Step1. State an opinion
Step2. Grab popcorn
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Fairly certain the topic was asking about "hey guys... this group obviously AFK Botting plopped down next to me, and is obviously not using AFK tools, what do you guys think is an appropriate response?"
Fairly certain it is not "Your opinion differs from mine, so lets gang up on him!"
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SOE tried for years to stomp out MQ. It has not worked yet, even with all the active hacks that popped up over the years. Fairly certain it is well established at the ol EQ headquarters that they just have to live with MQ always circumventing what ever measures are put in place to kill it. You guys think MQ2IC was just an easteregg EQMule thought he would write up for fun? I imagine they constantly bring up new ways to kill MQ....
That said, I definitely fall into the camp of "keep MQ low profile" But that is more in line with "keep the workload down on the MQ developers" cause... what is gonna kill MQ is when the folks in the know stop updating MQ =P
I also fall into the camp of "Don't use AFK tools". How ever that is because I..... don't AFK. Outside of a dash to the john or to smack the wife's ass while grabbing a sammich, my happy ass is sitting at the keyboard =P
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Some dude plops their group next to me (obvious AFK botter or not) I generally just keep at my business. If they decide that want to pull part of my camp, they can try... I generally have the spawn timed. The few times they have some AFK puller snagging faster then me, I give em a few warnings, then I bring them lotsa friends. After they wipe, I go about my business. I mean... what are they gonna do, petition? "While I was AFK boting some guy trained me! waaah!" Had exactly 0 GMs show up to talk to me about it in 16 years.
Step1. State an opinion
Step2. Grab popcorn
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Fairly certain the topic was asking about "hey guys... this group obviously AFK Botting plopped down next to me, and is obviously not using AFK tools, what do you guys think is an appropriate response?"
Fairly certain it is not "Your opinion differs from mine, so lets gang up on him!"
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SOE tried for years to stomp out MQ. It has not worked yet, even with all the active hacks that popped up over the years. Fairly certain it is well established at the ol EQ headquarters that they just have to live with MQ always circumventing what ever measures are put in place to kill it. You guys think MQ2IC was just an easteregg EQMule thought he would write up for fun? I imagine they constantly bring up new ways to kill MQ....
That said, I definitely fall into the camp of "keep MQ low profile" But that is more in line with "keep the workload down on the MQ developers" cause... what is gonna kill MQ is when the folks in the know stop updating MQ =P
I also fall into the camp of "Don't use AFK tools". How ever that is because I..... don't AFK. Outside of a dash to the john or to smack the wife's ass while grabbing a sammich, my happy ass is sitting at the keyboard =P
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Some dude plops their group next to me (obvious AFK botter or not) I generally just keep at my business. If they decide that want to pull part of my camp, they can try... I generally have the spawn timed. The few times they have some AFK puller snagging faster then me, I give em a few warnings, then I bring them lotsa friends. After they wipe, I go about my business. I mean... what are they gonna do, petition? "While I was AFK boting some guy trained me! waaah!" Had exactly 0 GMs show up to talk to me about it in 16 years.
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I don't petition because I don't want my name/account to be out there and associated with any nefarious activity, even if it's reporting it. If the GM pops in on me to ask me for more information or something I could get screwed if I'm in the middle of afk killing. Nope, not happening!
Why bother? They must repent for their sins and take the walk of shame! All must stand before the one true god to be pure.
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Lol and that is why it has too be something pretty fucking stupid for me to petition it.
So I've noticed in a certain unmentionable zone where plenty of folks afk kill that even at ~200 range I will evac sometimes with my tools rocking because the camp even at a small radius expands a bit next to a fellow afk-mq2'er. I finally turned them off. This is a zone with no named value, but decent XP/re-spawn.
I hope you don't report me.
I hope you don't report me.
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You know that now when they finally get banned for not using AFK tools they're going to blame you for reporting them.. (even if it wasn't you) instead of themselves for not moving locations or playing with AFK tools
I would gladly take credit for reporting their stupidity... LOL. All the folks that run the MQ2 community are against afk killing without GTFO/afk tools. Here is an analogy that might be more appropriate: If they want to go sleep with a bunch of hookers without protection, don't come running back here to yell at me for telling you it was a bad idea.
These days I'm lucky to get 10 hours of week of EQ time, and I ain't about to waste that looking for some asshat afk killing without AFK tools... now If you throw it up in my face in my travels, that is your bad not mine.
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I think it's just the fact that they've never been suspended before. I personally didn't use AFK tools cause I had never deemed it an issue until I got suspended. According to the ToS you, the player, aren't doing anything wrong by using MQ2 blatantly right out in the open... But that doesn't stop daybreak from suspending you/banning you for it.
I think it would be accurate to say that the first suspension changes ALL of us.
I've been banned, suspended, reported and warned. Shockingly enough I consider the warning was the GM not waiting long enough for my guys to med and resume and assumed I was afk merc killing.
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Well, you also said you invite people sometimes to PL them, I am sure that was just an off the wall example mid argument but you logically couldn't use AFK tools in that scenario.
I think you have a much more extroverted way of playing than what Noobhaxxor is talking about. He probably means the people who AFK for days/weeks and never answer and probably rarely even check their computers.
What you're describing is you actually being there and playing or watching and sometimes even grouping with people. Even if you did a named camp, I would say the two are totally different things.
I normally don't watch, on my days off I will invite others if I'm actually playing, there's little to no excuse not using the tools except that there are people who will come to you and sit there for hours to be a dick. I used to use devestators macros which had an afk radius in it. I was forced to stop using it because of those people.
Like I've pointed out, if you don't want to get caught use it. I don't use it because I care very little. But I've also received very little punishment for afk macroing. The whole point of this is don't report someone that's in sanctum somnium farm, where no one will go for any good reason other than progression tasks simply because they didn't evac when you showed up. Reporting others is what draws attention. Daybreak will ban those that are reported and that they catch. I went two months in brothers island after TBM released doing the Lidia camp. I never killed the named and never had issues until someone came in to the zone and said hey, I like that camp, I wanna get him banned so I can have it.
If you use this compile you have no right to hate on anyone who afk macros. Especially if it's only because they don't have afktools.
But yeah, use afk tools if you don't want the risk of being banned. But there's always a risk. A gm can always logon a non gm character.