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Leveling - Which Healer to use????

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Current group make up is Warrior/Enchanter/Wiz/Mage.........I just keep going back and forth between which healer type to use.

What are the pro's and con's to Cleric Vs Druid for this type of group make up, assuming all but the warrior is run using Kissassist. And that the last slot is filled with a wizard merc.

Thank you
 
Cleric offers more reliable heals/rezzes. Not sure KA has both in combat and ooc rezzes in place yet. Druid offers better utlity, dps, and adps.
 
Calaxa, thats why I was asking...Cleric for straight up healing power. But with druids theres the utility of ADPS being added to the casters. I guess the better question would of been, does the damage increase of the Druid for the group outweigh the overpowering heals of the cleric?
 
From my experience, I have not been able to make a druid script where they can reliably be the only healer in grp, thus negating the question you posed in the first place. The added dps/adps in grp content is marginal when scripted. Aura/blackwolf/ds/reptile/growth, while all good things, doesn't add so much when just grinding grp stuff. That's just my experience. Your group is caster heavy and really should benefit it more but I haven't gotten the returns when trying it out.

From what I've seen and from my own groups, the cleric is basically never going to do much work but your group can run for days on end. I don't even think my mana falls below 95% doing group stuff anymore.
 
Your amazing Calaxa thats exactly what I was looking for. Overall ADPS increase from Druid isnt enough to negate the use of a Cleric. And thank you Redbot as well!
 
I want someone to prove me wrong by putting a good druid ini or a modded script that will not need a cleric or a merc healer. Then I can dust off the 2 max druids I have instead of only taking them out for raids.
 
I agree, I love my druid but nothing beats the cleric.... I actually have both for named hunts and a trick I use on druid is to have him call your corpse (0%rez) if you are at 0 health and then rez as his rez spell when combat is over. just 1 more way to get a mob down... In KISS you just have a heal set to call and the hp |0

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most group level fights just don't last long enough to make buffs a factor, unless your named hunting
 
Cleric is really the only option for current content, unless you have a raid geared tank. That said, I'm working on the dps portion of my macro to make it use more of a high AA cleric to sustain heals and pump out more DPS. The use of alternate abilities on a cleric in macro form would be a big win as they have the ability to pump out some decent DPS numbers while keeping a party full.
 
on our last raid I even set DPS=0 on my druid so he would ONLY heal/Rez but dammit I need a GOOD healer DRUID INI!
 
Still playing around with it, but my shaman heals me fine against TDS T3 trash mob, so long as it's just one. My tank is pretty poorly geared, no raid gear at all, some T3 visable, mostly T2 TDS stuff. DH HA, my shaman is fine as only healer, so long as I don't pull more than 3 at a time (only tanking all 3 at once long enough for my enchanter to mezz).

I was thinking shamans have comparable heal spells to druids, but looking at the lvl101-105 spells, druids would seem to have much better spells. My shaman is mainly only working with a 2.6sec cast 12k heal and a 2.1sec cast 3 waves of 3500 heal, the rest is for emergency heals. I don't use KISS, so not sure on how to set up that INI, but I notice for the mac that I use, getting my shaman to cast heals faster involved not letting him think about what to cast.

I had my 'reckless' emergency heals set to be used if I drop below 70%, my spam heal 'mending' set for 98% and my AE wave heal 'surge' set at 96%. I am not going to pretend I know what the deal was, but the end result was my shaman stood around not healing a lot when I can plainly see his spells were ready to go. Just dropping my emergency heal to 40% got him to cast his spam heal over and over without much delay as well as occasionally casting surge, which works out great for me. Trying to figure out how to get him to Twinheal+surge via the macro, but still working on it, although in TDS T2 and above, the DPS on my tank is enough that I don't think my warrior can survive waiting on my shaman to twinheal and then heal. I got it set-up where I /tell the shaman and he does it though, but I don't bother because him casting twinheal creates the situation where I need a bigger heal than what his normal heals already provides, assuming my tank survives the wait.

I also set him to not buff, not check anything other than heal related stuff and instead just does all that with a /tell. All he does is cast counterbias slow and then straight to healing, which is just spamming mending and sometimes surge. Adds? He does not debuff adds and just keeps healing. My chanter will take care of adds.

If I want a heal over time, sluggishness, or Growth, I /tell at the appropriate time. I don't see the mac/ini 'deciding' this well enough, so better off to directly control it myself + it makes the healer more responsive to healing.

So, I can do TDS T3 trash with just my shaman healing, but TDS T2 and up, I run my shaman's DPS INI/spell-set + a healer merc and am pretty rock solid tanking. With the DPS INI, my shaman is going through debuffiing, DoTTing like a mad man, making sure every buff is up, including all the short duration ones and support heals great.

For my tank, any one healer is not enough after a certain point, so I never really thought of my shaman as a primary healer and it was more about how well he stacks with a merc healer.

I think any priest class will easily do support healing, but if you want to go as far as you can with only one healer, well that choice is easy. Go cleric.
 
Still playing around with it, but my shaman heals me fine against TDS T3 trash mob, so long as it's just one. My tank is pretty poorly geared, no raid gear at all, some T3 visable, mostly T2 TDS stuff. DH HA, my shaman is fine as only healer, so long as I don't pull more than 3 at a time (only tanking all 3 at once long enough for my enchanter to mezz).

I was thinking shamans have comparable heal spells to druids, but looking at the lvl101-105 spells, druids would seem to have much better spells. My shaman is mainly only working with a 2.6sec cast 12k heal and a 2.1sec cast 3 waves of 3500 heal, the rest is for emergency heals. I don't use KISS, so not sure on how to set up that INI, but I notice for the mac that I use, getting my shaman to cast heals faster involved not letting him think about what to cast.

I had my 'reckless' emergency heals set to be used if I drop below 70%, my spam heal 'mending' set for 98% and my AE wave heal 'surge' set at 96%. I am not going to pretend I know what the deal was, but the end result was my shaman stood around not healing a lot when I can plainly see his spells were ready to go. Just dropping my emergency heal to 40% got him to cast his spam heal over and over without much delay as well as occasionally casting surge, which works out great for me. Trying to figure out how to get him to Twinheal+surge via the macro, but still working on it, although in TDS T2 and above, the DPS on my tank is enough that I don't think my warrior can survive waiting on my shaman to twinheal and then heal. I got it set-up where I /tell the shaman and he does it though, but I don't bother because him casting twinheal creates the situation where I need a bigger heal than what his normal heals already provides, assuming my tank survives the wait.

I also set him to not buff, not check anything other than heal related stuff and instead just does all that with a /tell. All he does is cast counterbias slow and then straight to healing, which is just spamming mending and sometimes surge. Adds? He does not debuff adds and just keeps healing. My chanter will take care of adds.

If I want a heal over time, sluggishness, or Growth, I /tell at the appropriate time. I don't see the mac/ini 'deciding' this well enough, so better off to directly control it myself + it makes the healer more responsive to healing.

So, I can do TDS T3 trash with just my shaman healing, but TDS T2 and up, I run my shaman's DPS INI/spell-set + a healer merc and am pretty rock solid tanking. With the DPS INI, my shaman is going through debuffiing, DoTTing like a mad man, making sure every buff is up, including all the short duration ones and support heals great.

For my tank, any one healer is not enough after a certain point, so I never really thought of my shaman as a primary healer and it was more about how well he stacks with a merc healer.

I think any priest class will easily do support healing, but if you want to go as far as you can with only one healer, well that choice is easy. Go cleric.



um if you are using a cleric merc AND your shaman to heal then you have 2 healers, I am talking using a cleric toon as the ONLY healer in a t3 group and if you can only bring 1, make it a cleric and not a merc one......
 
um if you are using a cleric merc AND your shaman to heal then you have 2 healers, I am talking using a cleric toon as the ONLY healer in a t3 group and if you can only bring 1, make it a cleric and not a merc one......

Thought it was pretty clear, I said I can do TDS T3 trash mobs fine using only my shaman as healer, so long as it's one. Mostly, I doubt my shaman will get my tank dead on just one, but I like playing it safe and will go shaman+healer merc for TDS T3. However, I tested out my shaman's healing on TDS T3 trash using the first iteration of the INI for him and have since made a lot of changes that improved his healing by a good margin. At first, I think he was @ as good as a merc healer, although I think the merc healer has a better spam heal, so can do better healing once the damage goes beyond a certain point (adds). Now, I think my shaman does better than a merc healer, but still limited by his slow casting spam heal for adds.

I'm just saying, a shaman/druid BOT can main solo heal in TDS T3 on TRASH mobs if you're careful. And that is using my 105 warrior that has less AC/HP BUFFED, than some warriors have unbuffed. But yes as I said in the post you quoted, if you only want to use one healer, go cleric.
 
all I'm going to say bout this is if you ain't using a shaman for backup heals its fail :) my group was shaman sk mage cleric wiz and enchanter and I had no problems whatso ever doing tds ha or tds progression or anything before it expac wise, I know some will say they overlap hopwever I had the shaman doing the slows and debuffs and the chanter doing the mezzing and dps and it was total win! druids are cute loved them one of my favorite classes but just cant see druid in a tank group when you can have shammy buffs for a tank .
 
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