Question - What to do if your tank dies?

[Vrakenor]

General question here. Just recently I have had several wipes with my alt group. PAL, BRD, SHM, BST, ROG, WIZ. Level 84, and it seems like just recently (in Gribbles) my Pally is just getting smoked repeatedly. Last night good ole Bloodsucker got me. Everyone has got lvl 80 Preserving gear and never really had this much problem with him being so squishy. Also I am running CWTN on all 6 toons, except Bard of course lol. RGMercs for the Bard.

With all that being said, the question I have is what can I do to recover from the tank dying? The rest of the toons just stand there and die one at a time. I try to manually get them to at least melee to finish the fight but even that doesn't work but half the time. I have a feeling I know what it is but I have no idea of how to fix it. Is it because my tank has "Leader", Main Assist, and Main tank assigned as roles and no one is left with Main Assist in the group if the tank dies? Is there a way to change this on the fly? A macro maybe? I kind of freak out a little and freeze, because I just don't run into this very often. I know I didn't hit the pause button, so not sure if that will help. I would like CWTN stuff to work cause this is a heavy caster group, so pause won't really help. But it just seems like the group collectively looses it's mind (and so do I) after the tank goes down.

I looked around a bit but didn't see anything obvious to answer this question. Any help would be appreciated.

Vrak

 

[Koko]

Bst should have ,”pet taunt if ma dies”.tab I think on the ctwn plug in…I don’t run bst atm but pretty sure that should do it

 

[Vrakenor]

Thanks KoKo

I will try that. I have tried playing around with letting the Pet start the fights by having Taunt on, before letting the Pally take over. Not sure if I have the timing down yet, as I have only done this a couple of times so far.

Anyone have any ideas as to why the degree of difficulty has risen so dramatically? I was really unprepared for this increase in how hard the mobs hit. Is it just level 84? Is it level 80 gear? I started doing Gribbles at lvl 75 and it was a cake walk. And now all of a sudden it's really hard.

Vrak

 

[shysigh]

I remember this turning point as well, It's most likely the gear, look into TBM gear, you can buy the currency from the bazaar off other players, all you need to do is the first 2 quests from TBM which should be easily doable especially with using your rogue to get the last item of the dungeon.

All of the gear is sold in plane of tranquility and for remnants of tranquility (the currency) and then uses mods sold by those same vendors (or the ones in plane of health) to upgrade the gear every 5 levels and can take you up to level 105. (75 to 105 I believe)

The Broken Mirror Progression - EQ Resource - The Resource for your EverQuest needs

After 70 the defiant gear is no longer good and I always use this method to upgrade gear on the toons, it's such a massive leap that after words you don't necessarily need to upgrade it every 5 levels until you are able to get conflagarent or snowbound.

 

[shysigh]

I hit the same wall 3 years ago and wondered WTF I was supposed to do, it took me hours of reading to discover tbm gear and my guys went from like 5 to 10k hps to 30k plus.

Also, it's a lot harder now since they added 10 levels but I would ask or plead for a mage to cast their 114 ds on at least the tank. It's an insane amount of damage at that level.

Also, I'm hoping some one smarter and more familiar with the cwnt plugins chimes in because your guys shouldn't stop attacking or fighting once the tank dies. Sounds like a setting is off.

 

[Szazor]

If I remember correctly, the Heroic Missions in Dead Hills did have some "Experimental" Scaling which got to be very tough - though I don't remember it happening with Gribbles.
Did you notice the level of the mobs changed at all?

Since you have a Wiz - You could always have an Exodus ready to go!
Also look at getting a staff of forbidden rites on your Shammy

 

[shysigh]

I'm a dumbass, you are rocking the tbm gear, duh, sorry, I couldn't remember the name of it and I literally just woke up lol. Decided to Google your gear lol.

 

[shysigh]

What mode are your guys set in? My tank is usually in sic tank mode and then everyone else is set into chase mode with switchwithma enabled. I've never had them stop fighting if my tank dies.

 

[Vrakenor]

Thanks for your replies guys, I appreciate the advice.

Now Shy, I almost, almost was going to get on you. Almost, until I read the last 2 posts. Thanks for the correction. I was lmao before your last 2. Hehe.

Now seriously, I am not sure what I have switchwithma set to. I do run my tank in Sic mode (that sounds funny doesn't it?) And the rest in Chase. Like I said as soon as the tank dies they just quit doing anything. Also I noticed that the last 2x the Pally died, he didn't use Lay on Hands. Not sure why but I will go through his setup and check. Maybe I turned it off for some reason. <shrug>

Szrazor is that the rez stick everyone keeps referring to? I will look it up and see about getting one. But what I want to know is why the Shaman keeps letting the Pally die. It's not like they aren't all loaded up with buffs, Pally is running with 47k hp for heavens sake. I never knew Bloodsucker could be that tough.

And my Wiz does have Exodus ready and memed. I even have a macro to have her cast it from my Pally's hotbar. I, again, underestimated the toughness of these mobs at this level. Like I said previously, I went through Gribbles at 75 and never even came close to getting my ass kicked like I did last night lol. Came as a rude surprise. I died 3x in the first Gribbles task sheesh.
Vrak

 

[Szazor]

The Staff of Forbidden rites is not exactly easy to get - but it allows your shammy to Battle Rez you. One of the most important things Ever.
There is whole sections and strategies on how to get it. but I'm guessing you will need some help to get it. Ask about on your server and see if you can get a spot in the raids.
I will be doing it when my team gets a bit higher - probably in about 6 months or so - so if you're on Test I could hook you up.

Other things to try:

• Try adjusting your Shammies casting percentages. Raise them up so the Shammy will start healing early and often.
• Can also put shammy into straight Healing Mode.
• Can Switch Pally to Sword and Board..
• Make sure your Pally has all the AC augs possible for the level.
  
  

 

[Vrakenor]

Szazor Thanks man, appreciate your input.

Already Shammy in Heal mode, check.
I have bandoleer setup so I always run my tank in Sword and board on named mobs. Check
I have most of the augs for him, but some are pretty old (like lvl 40 and 50 stuff). Gotta remember that these are alts on a FTP accounts. So no prestige augs for these guys.
I have the Shammy setup to heal 60%. I am going to boost that to 80% and see if that helps.

Vrak

 

[shysigh]

Just don't give up, I've seen a few posts where people just proclaim cwtn plugins are shit and start trash talking. They're really not, you just have to figure out what's what and how to adjust them.

One sound piece of advice I took from my excessive reading is to prioritize the tank, might be worth subbing him and getting all the augs you can and the free AAs.

But I'm a dumb ass, I've been running my ranger straight melee because I didn't know there was a way to set it up to range(r) and just discovered a couple weeks ago that they put that in to the plugin and now my ranger out DPSs everyone usually.

 

[Koko]

I’m on test and could use that rez stick on my shaman, can I shamelessly high jack this thread and ask to be helped when you do it on test as well ?!

 

[Sic]

General question here. Just recently I have had several wipes with my alt group. PAL, BRD, SHM, BST, ROG, WIZ. Level 84, and it seems like just recently (in Gribbles) my Pally is just getting smoked repeatedly. Last night good ole Bloodsucker got me. Everyone has got lvl 80 Preserving gear and never really had this much problem with him being so squishy. Also I am running CWTN on all 6 toons, except Bard of course lol. RGMercs for the Bard.

With all that being said, the question I have is what can I do to recover from the tank dying? The rest of the toons just stand there and die one at a time. I try to manually get them to at least melee to finish the fight but even that doesn't work but half the time. I have a feeling I know what it is but I have no idea of how to fix it. Is it because my tank has "Leader", Main Assist, and Main tank assigned as roles and no one is left with Main Assist in the group if the tank dies? Is there a way to change this on the fly? A macro maybe? I kind of freak out a little and freeze, because I just don't run into this very often. I know I didn't hit the pause button, so not sure if that will help. I would like CWTN stuff to work cause this is a heavy caster group, so pause won't really help. But it just seems like the group collectively looses it's mind (and so do I) after the tank goes down.

I looked around a bit but didn't see anything obvious to answer this question. Any help would be appreciated.

Vrak

Just don't give up, I've seen a few posts where people just proclaim cwtn plugins are shit and start trash talking. They're really not, you just have to figure out what's what and how to adjust them.

One sound piece of advice I took from my excessive reading is to prioritize the tank, might be worth subbing him and getting all the augs you can and the free AAs.

But I'm a dumb ass, I've been running my ranger straight melee because I didn't know there was a way to set it up to range(r) and just discovered a couple weeks ago that they put that in to the plugin and now my ranger out DPSs everyone usually.

shammies aren't super well equipped for solo heals until 101+, they start struggling into the 80's / 90's as mobs start to hit more.

not only what other folks said about rez stick, but you need to try and make sure you're appropriately gear/aa'd (including and especially augs) for the content you're doing.

one of the challenges with running on a live server, but not being "current" is you level so quickly, you can easily get in a gear position where you have trouble doing the content

I re-read and saw your team including your tank is f2p? you're gonna have a hard time, augs are a fundemental part of a tank's kit to be able to tank.

at least > get you some non-prestige augs < especially the tavon augs (bazaar prolly like 25pp)

Since the cwtn plugins utilize your group main assist for things, what you really need to do, is have someone who is still alive become group main assist in the group window (and then clear -> regain target, so eq/mq updates the information of what your assist's target is)

 

[Vrakenor]

Thanks guys for all the input. And the Aug link, I haven't seen that one before this.

But just to clear up any misconceptions let me be clear about this group. The number one reason to get them to 85 is to start them up on Overseer. The idea was to get them into Overseer to get more mats for tradeskilling lol. That was the whole inspiration behind leveling them. I saw Hammackj's video for his "Kitty" group and I wanted to make one too. They were just a fun group to play around with. And experiment with. I had never played a Shaman or a Paladin before and wanted to check them out. That is why they are on a FTP accounts. I will be honest here and admit that my main group (on paid accounts) never ran into this problem. Especially in Gribbles, they tore through those missions, very easy content for them. So gearing, augs and all that goes into it has just never been a concern. I get them their spells every 5 levels and they have all of my paid accounts "hand me down'' gear. I really think I am witnessing what I have read about here on these forums so many times before. Yes gear and augs are important, but I think the main difference is really starting to show and that is the difference between FTP and Paid accounts concerning AA's. I got to looking things up and this Pally only has 139 AA's. They don't get the auto grant that I am used to and I think it is showing, or that lack of it is anyways. I can see now what a huge difference it makes. I have read so many times to buy 1 month for at least the tank's account just to get those AA's. Whelp here we are lol. I think I will cough up some cash and do just that, dollars to donuts, that will fix the survivability problem.

So Sic you bring up a good point. And one that is central to this post. Maybe I need to ask a more straight forward question. I sorta knew that MA was paramount to the plugins working properly. So is there like a macro that will change, say my Bard's role on the fly? To make her the MA? And what would that macro look like as far as wording goes?

Oh and btw Sic I have a mage that has several of those Tavon's augs already summoned on her. Didn't even think of them. Again thanks for the tip.

Vrak

 

[RobRenfro]

Vrak the Shaman usually struggles to heal and the Pally to be a great tank until they hit 100 and get those AA. Then a Pally becomes a good defensive tank and Shaman primary healer ever damage dealer.

You will just suffer through some levels my friend.

 

[RobRenfro]

My favorite group is a Pally, Shaman, Necro, Mage, Beastlord and Bard. My Pally just got his Clicky Rez stick and my Shaman next run. I like having 3 rezzers and 3 Pet tanks in case my tank dies. I can't wait for those Clicky sticks on my Shaman as well.

 

[Sic]

So Sic you bring up a good point. And one that is central to this post. Maybe I need to ask a more straight forward question. I sorta knew that MA was paramount to the plugins working properly. So is there like a macro that will change, say my Bard's role on the fly? To make her the MA? And what would that macro look like as far as wording goes?

Oh and btw Sic I have a mage that has several of those Tavon's augs already summoned on her. Didn't even think of them. Again thanks for the tip.

Vrak

you could use a LEM on your group leader that if your tank dies to makeleader your bard MA/MT and if it isn't alive, that it makes your tank MA if it isn't otherwise

 

[Shadow]

As Sic previously mentioned, you are in the level range where SHM heals are just not enough without the tank having AA, augs, gear, etc. To the same point, I ended up bringing an additional cleric back in the day in my group because of that issue. Even when I hit ToL the 1st time at 115, the SHM couldn't keep up initially IMHO. Swapped out for cleric until I hit 120 and had better gear then brought SHM back in. LEM would be the best option for switching MA if tank dies. I had one, but not sure if I still have it. I'll take a look today after work.

 

[Wraith6911]

first -

then -

slowly -

then realize -

You did exactly what so many of the rest of us have done Especially in terms of playing FTP etc - have to get the AA and have to get the augs (especially on the tank).

Now -

time to farm!

 

[an_image]

General question here. Just recently I have had several wipes with my alt group. PAL, BRD, SHM, BST, ROG, WIZ. Level 84, and it seems like just recently (in Gribbles) my Pally is just getting smoked repeatedly. Last night good ole Bloodsucker got me. Everyone has got lvl 80 Preserving gear and never really had this much problem with him being so squishy. Also I am running CWTN on all 6 toons, except Bard of course lol. RGMercs for the Bard.

With all that being said, the question I have is what can I do to recover from the tank dying? The rest of the toons just stand there and die one at a time. I try to manually get them to at least melee to finish the fight but even that doesn't work but half the time. I have a feeling I know what it is but I have no idea of how to fix it. Is it because my tank has "Leader", Main Assist, and Main tank assigned as roles and no one is left with Main Assist in the group if the tank dies? Is there a way to change this on the fly? A macro maybe? I kind of freak out a little and freeze, because I just don't run into this very often. I know I didn't hit the pause button, so not sure if that will help. I would like CWTN stuff to work cause this is a heavy caster group, so pause won't really help. But it just seems like the group collectively looses it's mind (and so do I) after the tank goes down.

I looked around a bit but didn't see anything obvious to answer this question. Any help would be appreciated.

Vrak

You make a cleric … level it up … get cwtn cleric plug-in and the tank will never dies…if it does you seriously fucked something up…just saying…

 

[Hopeless]

I would use "Token of Resurrection" purchased from NPCs Loyalists or a Mysterious in POK, or Pagus in Sunrise Hills, in case needs an emergency rez.

 

[durango773]

Turn on usecall on your shaman, and accept 0% rez in mq2rez... shaman get no xp combat call at like level 72?..

 

[Lord Sivion]

 

[RobRenfro]

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[Vrakenor]

Good suggestion Hopeless, give me something useful to spend those tokens on lol.

I have never messed with LEM before, but I will look into it.

Thanks everyone for your humor and suggestions, I appreciate it.

Vrak

 

[DEADCiTiES]

Your problem definitely looks like an AA problem that can't be solved by stronger gear or even adjusting your program setup. It's difficult to reach level 85 even while using 115 buffs for ftp in instances that adjust to your level. I ended up having my ftp groups kill everything on the third floor of Fortress Mechantous to reach 85 from 80 with 115 buffs.

 

[Vrakenor]

Thanks DeadC, and I hear you. I have come to the same conclusion. It's lack of AA's that are killing this tank. What everyone has to remember in this thread is that:

1. This group is just about getting to 85 so to run Overseer for more TS mats. That's as far as I was going to take them by regular exping. They can use Overseer to gain levels from there. I wasn't even planning on upgrading their gear anymore. I have to admit that the Paladin doesn't cut it for me, not really crazy about his capabilities. This was one of those things, where I saw something that appealed to me and I made my own group to copy it and it just didn't work out in the end. NP because I learned some things about the different classes and setting up a new group. <shrug> I don't feel like it was wasted time at all, I just need to get them to 85 lol, I have 1/2 a level to go. I am just gonna find some nice dark blues and grind to 85.

2. And more importantly, I wanted to find out how to get your group to recover from loosing your tank. He would go down and I would mind freeze. "What do I do"? And then they would all die because I didn't handle it well. I think people assumed that I wanted to carry on with this group and so Tank survivability became the topic, np I understand how that happens. But I have my main group WAR, CLR, ENC, MAG, RNG, DRU that all on paid accounts using CWTN on all of them. I just do not run into these kinds of problems with that group. So please don't take any of this as an insult from me, I didn't explain all this right from the start, and for that I apologize.

However there were still a lot of good stuff offered in this thread, and it made me do some thinking about the problem. I still want to figure out about having a macro to change roles on a toon and having the rest assist after that. Heck even if it is just the BST pet. But I am thinking it would be better if I use the BRD. I looked at LEM like Sic suggested and was immediately intimidated by it. It looks a lot more complicated than I may want to deal with.

Anyways, like I said before thank you all for your input it is always appreciated.

Vrak

 

[Peppe]

Bst should have ,”pet taunt if ma dies”.tab I think on the ctwn plug in…I don’t run bst atm but pretty sure that should do it

I gonna try this out. Thanks!

Is it possible to integrate this feature in the ''KissAssist_YourToonNameHere.ini'' ?

Also, if you apply this.. don't forget to make the healer ''heal pets on''