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What gear / targets would be best?

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Hello just came back to ragefire and my brother and I are working on our toons gear I'm wondering what some good targets for us to hunt would be.

we are currently running 3 groups
First group is War, Mage, Wiz, Ench, Monk, Cleric
Second group is Sk, Cleric , ench, bst, wiz , Mage
Third group is Ranger, Bard , druid, Shaman, Rogue , necro


Still finishing up some level's and aa's but what would be some good targets for this crew?


Also we are looking for one or two people to team up with to take out larger targets (especially once PoP comes out) , Pm me if interested and we can get into more details.
 
With 2 clerics you should be able to easily do statue with ANY gear. He drops lots of really good gear especially for boxes. Its kinda hard to find him up during prime time hours though. (will be much easier come POP)

Grabbing full HOT armor on all your boxes will be a huge stepping stone. You could probably do some of the lesser luclin raid targets as well.

If you guys are going to box multiple groups, I would highly advise getting a bard in each one at the minimum, and more clerics = more CHs = better mini rots.

Get that warrior geared first IMO, and get a good shield. Get the monk his epic, get his bard his epic, and then get those clerics geared.

Getting Harla Dar as much as you can for ID3 necks would help you a ton as well.
 
thanks for the info! btw does killing harla dar and other dragons in WW mess up HOT faction?

Also do you recommended either of the factions? and how long should it take to get ally?
 
yes they are on HoT faction so killing them does impact the faction negatively
 
Harla Dar hits are like 50 faction as most. 50 out of 4k isn't a concern ;)

Edit: The other dragons are a waste unless you're farming giant faction, IMO. Also, Harla Dar has a small chance to drop first brood talismans, which are also great necks for boxes. Yet another reason to murder her repeatedly. Stupid dragons.
 
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You have gotten better at Ragefire. (18)

I can attest to the bards and clerics, need 1 per group.

Only need 1 chanter so that opens a slot for you.

Having the offtank availible is nice as well but might serve better to put a DPS there if you nix the second enchanter for a 3rd cleric.
 
Ethereal's post is on point.

You want full HoT armor asap. Most other things can be grabbed in bazzar. Just look up items you like, and buy them or go farm them. Do your epics for essential characters. You can probably work on some Kunark dragons for CoF's etc. Once you have your "basic gear", you can move onto targets like Vindicator etc.

Statue is pretty highly contested you're going to have to keep a tight eye on it to steal, and don't be surprised if some other boxer comes and out dps's you.
 
Statue is pretty highly contested you're going to have to keep a tight eye on it to steal, and don't be surprised if some other boxer comes and out dps's you.
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This is on point, and Vindi is harder than statue due to being unslowable.
 
Just charm vindi and sick him on statue= problem solved.

Lol in all seriousness, any person serious about having high performance melee will be focused on getting the most important melee epics (monk,rogue,bard,ranger) and as etherealmist stated, virtually living in halls of testing and getting all the important bits will make a ewge difference!
 
A lot of this info is great...if we weren't 2 months from PoP.

Your time is a lot better spent on other items than the bulk of what was mentioned. Enjoy!
 
Care to share what items this person's time would be better spent on with two months until PoP? Otherwise your post is about as useful as mindless banter. Enjoy!
 
If you explain to me why a bard epic is relevant at this stage in the game for what this user is trying to accomplish, I will expand on what his time would be better used doing instead of "living in HoT" farming armor.

For conversation sake, you told OP to work on his bard epic. What does a bard epic require? White Dragon Scale, Red Dragon Scale, Trakanon Guts (think big picture). Do you think it's worth OP's time and/or money to farm or buy (buy, being that you can't 18 box Gorenaire, and 18 boxing Trakanon is doable if you pull Trakanon to the banish point and tank it there.) This is without even getting into your logic as to why you feel the Singing Short Sword is uber relevant at this point.

My advice: Get to 60. Farm max useful AA. Bank 120 AA. Get max 60 exp. With what force you are rolling with, hardly any gear you can farm will outlast into the first 2 weeks of PoP if you are still boxing 18.

Epics I would worry about: Cleric.


*Because I know how forum logic works, I'm not saying 90% of the advice/items mentioned are BAD, my point is that if you are trying to establish a box group and do it properly, wasting your time on Velious targets when PoP group content outscales even some of the better Luclin drops (outside of VT) isn't beneficial. Please research the plethora of ID IV, IH IV, etc items that are easily 1 grouped in PoP.
 
Yeah so de-railed, spliting thread to fippy, you 2 can duke it out there :)

Bard epic is key until you get to elemental in Planes btw
 
nyghteyes said:
Yeah so de-railed, spliting thread to fippy, you 2 can duke it out there :)

Bard epic is key until you get to elemental in Planes btw
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Rofl, Bard epic is key? Explain for the people who don't understand why it's key.

And by that, I don't mean tell me why the bard epic is good in Kunark, Velious, and arguably Luclin, but tell me why it's worth the time/money investment when you're 18 boxing content, at the tail end of Luclin, and about to embark on PoP.

The boxing advice in this thread is half-witted and sad, but not surprising given the lack of any good boxers remaining on Ragefire.

Winter is coming.

I do not know any content that is make or break, or even more than marginally more difficult without bard epics anymore. Sure, it helped a lot in Kunark and Velious from the 1 or 2 songs you would sing that would actually take benefit from the singing modifier, but at this point in time, we have better resist songs, AA's, and more that all but kill the bard epic argument.

Would I unequip it on my bards? No. Would I go back and do the epics again at this stage of the timeline? Nope!
 
So your bard can sing multiple tunes that require different instruments and melee instead of standing there like a dope?
 
I feel I should clarify that a bard epic, especially with pop coming up, will be much easier to acquire. All the mobs even in luclin are extremely easy for a small amount of people. For most people, the bard epic will be the best item you can get to boost generally everything. Most bards don't ditch their epics until they get to Time, or at the very least the EP. If you know really anything about game mechanics you'll know how much easier gore is now a days. Trakanon, as Esquire stated, is also pretty easy now, and Talendor was always a joke. 18 boxes should have no problems.

Every mob I mentioned will be great targets because pop is coming. A standard boxer isn't going to be able to kill luclin targets and ornate armor from pop is pretty crappy for the most part, although some of it can be decent. The problem is, since there is literally 2 months of time left before pop (that and moving through pop early on will be a nightmare), HOT is still going to be a solid investment in time. Good luck getting ornate for your boxes when every other boxer will probably be farming them. If he wants to sit and try to camp and fight for POP drops against literally the entire server who will be doing the same, sounds good.

If you guys plan to be extremely ambitious, sure, feel free to bite off more content and what not. I'd just advise that you gear up on the lesser stuff first and avoid confrontations. As Esquire has stated, you could pretty much ignore everyone in this post and probably be fine, choose your own path. Keep in mind, 2 months is a long time, having decent gear to help with those camps wont be a waste of time.

One thing to stress, with most of the information here is that there will be 3 guilds all trying to move through POP. You won't be getting flagged for really anything except POJ, POD, POV, POS, and BoT (this one will not happen early on either). That right there extremely limits the amount of camps you'll have access to, especially right away. Even if you joined a guild, most of them wont flag your box crew, at least, again....early on.

Speaking of AAs, AAs are easy to get. I had maxed my AAs within the 2 first weeks due to the EXP bonus, all while raiding. Getting 60 should be easy, and should probably already be done, considering the statement made by the OP.

As a side note, Esquire is very correct on lots of things he has posted, especially regarding Anyman1022. He wasn't kicked from the top 3 guilds, he was only kicked from 2 of them. The third one just laughed and trained him for a few days. Let's not spread false information here please.
 
Did I ever mention that I love you Ethereal? Just bromance tho nohomo.
 
3 guilds all trying to move through PoP...when flags don't have raid designations and flag targets can be downed with 5-7 groups easily.

Yeah, Ragefire is about to get lit fam.

To add on to what Ethereal said, ornate armor is not crap. It is actually vastly superior to Velious quest armor and is like a Version 1.0 of Elemental armor if Elemental is 2.0. Same focii, FT, + atk just less values. Ornate armor will be flooded in the Bazaar very shortly after PoP release, just as it was on Phinny.

Side note: There is no top guild on ragefire. There are 3 guilds doing end game raid content that are all casual guilds. Edit: Butthurt.
 
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Let's break it down then shall we?

Ornate BP drops from mobs that are ALL gated behind raid flags, minus BOT.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17238

Let's use the warrior one for example. Yep, it's better than all things you can get in velious, and all things available in VT minus raid targets.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17240
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6278

Those are the chestplate of vindication and breastplate of eradication. Both extremely easy to acquire. Which do you think will be easier to get, considering everyone will be wanting ornate BP molds for their own boxes?

Okay, lets take some more examples. Here are the warrior legs:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17265

Sure, again, they're pretty good compared to most things. Although you can pick up a few items pretty easily that are only slightly worse, such as:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=18687
or your racial armors.
Here is the HOT legs, which are pretty easy to get, as plate is the most common drops:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5420
Yep, they're not as good, but they're easy to get, and basically free.

Oh, I should mention, that every single mob minus the one in BOT is also gated behind raid flagging. Well, until 3 months pass that is.

Basically unless you're able to farm sol ro tower minis or able to get a manatech behemonth kill, you're not getting easy access to most ornate, unless you want to try to buy it for extremely inflated prices. Which I assure you, others will be doing the same.

To edit, what eqsquire mentioned was correct though about the focus effects. They do make the armor a lot better for some classes. Again...good luck getting it.
 
Esquire said:
The fact that you think Bastion of Thunder is gated behind raid flagging just shows the stupidity floating around in this thread.

Bastion of Thunder requires 1 Plane of Justice trial, Execution if you're a noobie, and the Giant components from Plane of Storms (which you gain access to via the PoJustice trial).
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etherealmist said:
Ornate BP drops from mobs that are ALL gated behind raid flags, minus BOT.
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You should probably at least read what I write before coming at me for no reason. :(

If you want to attack me or something, please hit that PM button, or you can try PSTing me in game a few hundred more times.
 
The title of the thread reads Ragefire.

Thanks for all the links Ethereal that is helpful.
 
I should also mention that the reason there are so many ornate drops on phini as there are literally 27 or so guilds doing that content. There will only be 3-4 or so, at least for the first 3 months on Ragefire. Hopefully this information helps.
 
Isn't that the key here - without instancing, there will be WAY fewer items available vs phinny?

That said, you can easily get 60 + max AA in baz gear. heck I have done it like with 20 groups on rage.
also, HoT is pretty easy and usually not very crowded. PoP will be a mess for a few months.

IMO - get the exp and then if you have time screw around in HoT until you are able to do some PoP stuff.

and monk/rog weps are nice because they are so easy.
 
im not to trying to flame or incite argument. but the ornate BP's are one groupable in BoT. you will have no trouble getting them. all of the ornate is a cakewalk to get on ya own and is better virtually all else available.
 
rhiza said:
im not to trying to flame or incite argument. but the ornate BP's are one groupable in BoT. you will have no trouble getting them. all of the ornate is a cakewalk to get on ya own and is better virtually all else available.
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I think people underestimate how many boxers will all be doing this same thing. There is only 1 BOT. Picks are extremely awful now.

No one here was saying Ornate is bad, but getting easy to get alternatives are also completely viable.....especially since pop isn't even out yet.

PS, I love when people post advice such as "just wait for months before doing anything to gear your characters". Get what you can now, upgrade later. Why is this concept so difficult to understand. :mystery:
 
Esquire said:
Man Ethereal, you must have a really great boxing resume.
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I'm not sure what a boxing resume would contain. Is it a measure of how well someone else can write inis for Zbot for you? If so, mine is awful compared to yours. Is it a measure of how many accounts you can purchase? Again, you got me beat lil baby Tr/yawn.

Please keep attacking me on these forums though, it's getting you somewhere.
 
see... and this right here is why we cant has nice things! keep it up and i'm turning this station wagon around and we all going home!
 
Actually its just a select few that incite arguments/drama on RF. The 3 main raiding guilds on RF actually work together creating rotations and ensuring up and coming guilds (theres 3 of those I know of as well) get a shot at the big targets if they show they have the force/gear to complete the events.
 
Hopefully JHara was able to get some helpful information at the very least. Sorry it got off topic a few times, and sorry it must once more:

I should mention, just to dispel any worry, you can't actually 'steal' another raids planar projection flags anymore, they fixed that many years ago. Planar projection flags are tied to EITHER the raid force the killed it, or if a single person was responsible, they are tied to nothing (meaning if someone is in a raid, they MUST disband from said raid to hail it for a flag). They might have even changed that last part, but I'm not interested in finding out. Patch notes are all preserved on Allakhazam though, for anyone curious.

Ragefire will be fine in POP, and no, it really isn't toxic anymore despite what this one single thread might have displayed. There are a couple individuals (and yes, they are just that, individuals) who are blackballed, that's about it.

For the average player on Ragefire, you will generally see smooth sailing and have an enjoyable time. I wont lie, sometimes there is bickering and guild politics (which I really have zero involvement in) make things murky at worst, but again, the average player wont ever be party to any of that. I think the bigger guilds have formed a good team to really make sure Ragefire is pleasant. Again, sometimes there are disagreements, but they usually get solved before the general population even knows about it. That is a good thing. To borrow a phrase from a famous bard, GO GO GOOD TEAM! (I couldn't help it)

Good luck on Ragefire!
 
nyghteyes said:
Actually its just a select few that incite arguments/drama on RF. The 3 main raiding guilds on RF actually work together creating rotations and ensuring up and coming guilds (theres 3 of those I know of as well) get a shot at the big targets if they show they have the force/gear to complete the events.
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Wow! That's a big change from how it used to be. Played on there since classic, and saw all the different box crews roll through. Kunark and Velious were full of drama, especially in general chat constantly every time a serverwide went out. I miss playing there. :(
 
Honestly, I've never seen a boxer incite drama really. Most boxers stay to themselves and do things at odd hours. It's always the guild's and their entitled leadership that stir the pot and start training boxers.

Anyways, JHara, let me know if you need any useful advice on how to get your box crew setup.
 
Esquire said:
Honestly, I've never seen a boxer incite drama really.
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This is asking everyone here that knows you to jump and attack you so you can get revenge, I am warning all others here not to bite on this.
 
Well this thread sure did explode lol. Lots of great info and I guess a lot depends on what I'm looking for / how much time I can invest.

I don't have a ton of extra time to play and I know for sure I wont be racing to get into Potime when pop comes out. I am interested in doing some mini's bosses in pop like bot ect. and maybe ssra/vt once pop comes

I do agree level's and AA's are my highest priority however I started at level 1 10 days ago and already have 60 with about 50 aa's per, I figured ill have max aa's and a bunch banked in two weeks. that leaves me a month and a half before pop comes out to work on epics/gear / more toons :xd:

Right now my priorities are AA's , Cleric epic , Hotv gear , Monk epic , Bard epic. and any fun targets until pop comes out in that order. once pop comes out I'm thinking my priorities will be 65, aa's and mini raid targets I can find up, ssra/vt.

A few questions I have
1.Why so many bards? I know they are useful I used to be a raid leader and would love to have a bard in every group, But is there a more specific reason why I should do a bard in all three groups? most of the songs for resist/regan are aoe right?

2. does BoT require a key? Iirc you can get a key to enter at level 57 but it opens to everyone at 64? is this correct?

3. what is the best dps for boxing? would a group of 5 wizards be better for pop?

4. Should 18 level 65's be able to do Ssra/vt?

Thanks again for all the great idea's, I should have my hands pretty full for the next couple months.
 
Jhara, in response to your question about boxing VT. It is still locked under the key in PoP as far as I know. I believe the guilds already farming VT will keep it this way while PoP gets underway, boxing it may be viable from a numbers standpoint, but logistically, getting eighteen toons keyed up is going to require guild assistance.

In response to having a bard for each group- it makes boxing two or more groups so much easier, due to mobility, regen, and just overall synchronizing will with many other classes in the game. Its not a necessity but it sure is damned nice.
 
Tbh I haven't really looked into keying for VT. Are you saying guilds can block me from keying?

Tbh as a boxer I'm not looking to "compete" with raiding guilds on content, if I have to wait a expansion or two I'm fine with that, if I can get flagged for time I'm fine with that too lol
 
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